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[CalJones]

Poor Loggy. I've never had the heart to make him do the DR, so he never lives past Origins for any of my female wardens. Sleeping with Morrigan does seem like a fate worse than death, as far as he's concerned.

[Costin_Razvan]

Sleeping with Morrigan does seem like a fate worse than death, as far as he's concerned.

Even then losing your soul? I am somewhat impressed you can hate Morrigan that much.

[Sarah1281]

Loghain's the one who quite clearly would rather have his soul destroyed than sleep with her. You (the player or the Warden) don't have to have an even remotely negative opinion of Morrigan for this still to be true.

[phaonica]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Sleeping with Morrigan does seem like a fate worse than death, as far as he's concerned.

Even then losing your soul? I am somewhat impressed you can hate Morrigan that much.

I don't think it's about hating Morrigan. I think he thinks it's far more dignified to die fighting an archdemon than to have everyone around him talking about his sex life.

[Monica21]

As the senior Warden in Ferelden and one of only two left, my concern isn't really about what Loghain wants but what's best for the order. It's better that he not die, because I can do a much better job rebuilding the order with him than without him.

[CalJones]

I don't hate Morrigan at all - I enjoy her snarkiness. But Loggy doesn't want to play hide the sausage with her and I respect his wishes. Dignity comes into it, certainly - I think it's more that than his distaste for Morrigan (who is a beautiful woman with a nice rack, after all).

Logically, yes, it'd be better for him to be around to rebuild the order but, as we know from Awakening, he doesn't get to do that in Fereldan anyway. (That's metagaming, of course - but it doesn't change my decision to let him do the sacrifice - just reinforces it).

There's also the fact that, as a man already in his fifties, the taint is going to eat him up pretty quickly. He might make 60 if he's lucky. I'd rather let him go out with a bang. As someone who likes the character, I cannot deny him the redemption he seeks.

[Monica21]

CalJones wrote...

I don't hate Morrigan at all - I enjoy her snarkiness. But Loggy doesn't want to play hide the sausage with her and I respect his wishes. Dignity comes into it, certainly - I think it's more that than his distaste for Morrigan (who is a beautiful woman with a nice rack, after all).
Logically, yes, it'd be better for him to be around to rebuild the order but, as we know from Awakening, he doesn't get to do that in Fereldan anyway. (That's metagaming, of course - but it doesn't change my decision to let him do the sacrifice - just reinforces it).
There's also the fact that, as a man already in his fifties, the taint is going to eat him up pretty quickly. He might make 60 if he's lucky. I'd rather let him go out with a bang. As someone who likes the character, I cannot deny him the redemption he seeks.

Alistair doesn't want to do it either, whether you're romancing him or not. And I haven't played through Awakenings with a spared Loghain, but in my post-Blight Ferelden he sticks around. It's just plain cruel for BioWare to send him to Orlais.

I agree about the taint, but I think he could still do more for the Ferelden order in 5 years or so than he could do dead. Like Anora said "you gain a general." A dead general does me no good.

Edited to add that I know I'm being entirely selfish by asking him to do it.

Modifié par Monica21, 29 août 2010 - 09:20 .

[CalJones]

I've done the ritual on a couple of my male characters - the Awakening cameo is awesome if you play a Cousland who married Anora. I don't feel right asking another to do the ritual for me, though.

[phaonica]

CalJones wrote...

I've done the ritual on a couple of my male characters - the Awakening cameo is awesome if you play a Cousland who married Anora. I don't feel right asking another to do the ritual for me, though.

My females would be like, "I would do it myself if I could!" 

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I've done the ritual on a couple of my male characters - the Awakening cameo is awesome if you play a Cousland who married Anora. I don't feel right asking another to do the ritual for me, though.

My females would be like, "I would do it myself if I could!" 

You mean do the ritual with Morrigan, or volunteer to take Morrigan's place?

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I've done the ritual on a couple of my male characters - the Awakening cameo is awesome if you play a Cousland who married Anora. I don't feel right asking another to do the ritual for me, though.

My females would be like, "I would do it myself if I could!" 

You mean do the ritual with Morrigan, or volunteer to take Morrigan's place?

Whichever.  The second one sounds like more fun, though.

[CalJones]

Oh hell yes. (Well, not with Alistair. I'm not letting that fumbling virgin near me...)

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I've done the ritual on a couple of my male characters - the Awakening cameo is awesome if you play a Cousland who married Anora. I don't feel right asking another to do the ritual for me, though.

My females would be like, "I would do it myself if I could!" 

You mean do the ritual with Morrigan, or volunteer to take Morrigan's place?

Whichever.  The second one sounds like more fun, though.

Haha! The Warden carrying Loghain's Old God Baby. Can't imagine what the Order would make of that.

[CalJones]

Well, truth be told, two wardens cannot a baby make...but practising would certainly be fun.

[Giggles_Manically]

Bah Simon T. dosent even need to do anything besides talk dirty and seductive and he can impregnate any woman or man for that matter he wants.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 29 août 2010 - 10:28 .

[Monica21]

CalJones wrote...

Well, truth be told, two wardens cannot a baby make...but practising would certainly be fun.

If a bit of blood magic could get Morrigan pregnant and keep your Warden alive, then I think there might be a few tricks to getting a Warden pregnant by another Warden. I bet Flemeth knew more than just that.

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...
Haha! The Warden carrying Loghain's Old God Baby. Can't imagine what the Order would make of that.

Or what a potential ex-boyfriend Alistair would make of it.  

Yessss, much more fun. Oh the delicious drama.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Eh, I don't think Loghain minds that much. He doesn't hate her like Alsitair does. What concerns him however, in typical Loghain fashion, is if the DR is going to affect Ferelden in a bad way. If Morriogan was as manipulative as some people wrongly (imo) make her out to be, she would have said something like "I am planing to use the baby to destroy Orlais".

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eh, I don't think Loghain minds that much. He doesn't hate her like Alsitair does. What concerns him however, in typical Loghain fashion, is if the DR is going to affect Ferelden in a bad way. If Morriogan was as manipulative as some people wrongly (imo) make her out to be, she would have said something like "I am planing to use the baby to destroy Orlais".

Is it bad that I was thinking that might be a convincing argument for Loghain to do the DR? "Look, she said she'd leave Ferelden, we wouldn't be putting any *Fereldens* in danger..."

[Brockololly]

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

[TJPags]

Brockololly wrote...

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

Eh, he's in Orlais.  He'll never know.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Brockololly wrote...

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

Hmmm, so she is a good liar.

[Monica21]

Brockololly wrote...

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

I'm working under the assumption that she needs to come back to Ferelden and couldn't have anticipated why until [insert circumstance here] arose.

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

I'm working under the assumption that she needs to come back to Ferelden and couldn't have anticipated why until [insert circumstance here] arose.

Yeah, my first assumption is that she never meant to come back, but perhaps things didn't go according to plan... Although a DLC seems like an awful short amount of time to clear up something that went wrong.

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Problem with Morrigan convincing Loghain is how she straight up promises Loghain she'll never return to Ferelden. If the new DLC has Morrigan returning to Ferelden....oops!

I'm working under the assumption that she needs to come back to Ferelden and couldn't have anticipated why until [insert circumstance here] arose.

Yeah, my first assumption is that she never meant to come back, but perhaps things didn't go according to plan... Although a DLC seems like an awful short amount of time to clear up something that went wrong.

Which is why it should have been a full expansion. %&#$*&%$#!!!!!!!

Blerg.