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[Addai]

I do like Simon Templeman's interpretations. Not heart-melting (for me) like Steve Valentine, but when I'm writing I definitely hear Loghain in ST voice. It's interesting they chose a very classic, almost Shakespearean accent for him. I would think it would be more IC to have Loghain speak in working class accent. But I guess over years of life at court he would have picked up a more classic way of speaking.

[Aeowyn]

Great chapter as always Addai. Making me wish I could romance him in game.

[CalJones]

Well he doesn't have an upper crust accent, like some. His delivery is bordering on theatrical but the accent itself is quite plain. I believe his VO notes in the toolset describe him as "gentleman farmer" which is more middle class (freeholders being land owners) than working class (peasant).

[Giggles_Manically]

That is one thing that I like about Ferelden it has a good deal of upwards mobility based around how good you are at things, not just around your birth.

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

Well he doesn't have an upper crust accent, like some. His delivery is bordering on theatrical but the accent itself is quite plain. I believe his VO notes in the toolset describe him as "gentleman farmer" which is more middle class (freeholders being land owners) than working class (peasant).

That's true, his father was sergeant at arms so more middle crust.  The fact that they could actually pay the Orlesian land taxes the first year shows they had some means.  As far as accent, it's the same as the other nobles.  They seem to have picked a rather BBC for the nobles and educated commoners like the First Enchanter, though to Americans it sounds uppercrust.

[Addai]

Aeowyn wrote...

Great chapter as always Addai. Making me wish I could romance him in game.

Alistair would never understand. 

It would have been interesting if they tried this, if you could have gotten him early as originally planned.  But in a lot of situations it would be unrealistic for Loghain to fall for a young whippersnapper he had just met, during a time of war, etc.  So probably not do-able outside the wild world of fanfiction.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

That is one thing that I like about Ferelden it has a good deal of upwards mobility based around how good you are at things, not just around your birth.

It's still a rare if not unqiue occurence for a commoner to become a nobleman. Loghain's bodyguard even says "can you believe it?" when he said Loghain's been made a high nobleman "just like that".
Also, there are rumours that the Maker decided to punish Ferelden, because her Queen was of commoner ogirin. Because you know, the Maker has nothing better to do.

It's far far from ideal. But no country ever has a true meritocracy, let's face it.
And I think that  Ferelden might be better than Orlais in that regard.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

That is one thing that I like about Ferelden it has a good deal of upwards mobility based around how good you are at things, not just around your birth.

It's still a rare if not unqiue occurence for a commoner to become a nobleman. Loghain's bodyguard even says "can you believe it?" when he said Loghain's been made a high nobleman "just like that".
Also, there are rumours that the Maker decided to punish Ferelden, because her Queen was of commoner ogirin. Because you know, the Maker has nothing better to do.

It's far far from ideal. But no country ever has a true meritocracy, let's face it.
And I think that  Ferelden might be better than Orlais in that regard.

I would rather live in Ferelden than in Orlais, or any other country so far we know about in Thedas.

Its interesting to see how its a society based around the people rather than the leaders in many regards, and how kings are checked by the Bannorn and Landsmeet,

I do wonder though just how many nobles after the rebellions were only peasents or farmers, or soldiers who did a good job and were gifted with a title by Maric though. 

[Costin_Razvan]

"Sighs" Giggles, tell me, how do you think the situation of other countries is better then the one in Orlais? ( besides Fereldan ) Because it sure as hell might be worse. There is not enough data to state for certain in either case.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:03 .

[CalJones]

I think Giggles meant it's preferable to live in Fereldan than any other country in Thedas. Anderfels is very poor and barren... Tevinter has slavery and blood magic. Orlais permits chevaliers to do what they want to the lower classes. Antiva is run by assassins, though I'm not sure how that would affect the standard of living. I don't know a great deal about the rest. I'd guess the Free Marches would be much like Fereldan before Calenhad's rule.

[Costin_Razvan]

Antiva would probably have a higher standard of life then Fereldan. I consider it equivalent to Italy in the Renaissance

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think the Free Marches are closer to Italy during the Renaissance, politically wise, both being a collection of City States.

Where best you would live depends on what you are. If you are a Warden, you have more opportunity in the Anderfels. If you are a merchant, you are better off in Orlais, Nevarra, Free Marches and Antiva (baring assassination risk). If you are a mage, you're better off in Tevinter, relatively speaking. If you are a peasant, you might be better off in Ferelden, certainly not in Orlais.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I wasn't referring to it from a Political PoV. Though I should point out that for most of the Medieval Ages Italy has been a collection of City States.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 07:20 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

"Sighs" Giggles, tell me, how do you think the situation of other countries is better then the one in Orlais? ( besides Fereldan ) Because it sure as hell might be worse. There is not enough data to state for certain in either case.

So far Orlais is the only nation that we know off, where there is an entire segment of the population that is not only allowed, but accepted for the fact  that they can rape peasants or kill them with NO punishment. 
So yes I would not want to live in Orlais.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Antiva would probably have a higher standard of life then Fereldan. I consider it equivalent to Italy in the Renaissance

And Ignacio describes it as a place of constant intrigue and blood running in the streets.  Zevran is wistful about it, but that's because he's a boundless optimist and thrives on living on the edge.  For an ordinary person trying to make their way, hmm.  Can't say I would like the constant instability.

We are prejudiced as Americans, probably English too, that our sense of justice is based in the Anglo-Germanic tradition that a man with land or a trade is a king in his own right.  So the kernel of that idea in Ferelden seems superior to us, as opposed to a more aristocratic, caste-based society like Orlais.

[Costin_Razvan]

So far Orlais is the only nation that we know off, where there is an entire segment of the population that is not only allowed, but accepted for the fact that they can rape peasants or kill them with NO punishment.

So yes I would not want to live in Orlais.

Oh I can agree on that.



Addai: I am not so certain of stability in Fereldan. In fact I would say it's probably just as unstable as Antiva is, and while in Antiva the situation is resolved with assassinations in Fereldan it goes to outright war between nobles.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai: I am not so certain of stability in Fereldan. In fact I would say it's probably just as unstable as Antiva is, and while in Antiva the situation is resolved with assassinations in Fereldan it goes to outright war between nobles.

Not as stable as Orlais to be sure.  Maybe it's a matter of perspective whether you would rather have your country run by a confederation of noble landowners versus a cadre of assassins.  Both have their creeds and both can be greedy and ruthless, but I still think I'd take my chances on the former.  For one thing, the system of slavery Zevran describes is abhorrent.  Ferelden has the Circle and it has lower classes, but nothing comparable to that for sheer inhumanity.

[Costin_Razvan]

Orlais also had slavery, though Celene is abolishing it. Though I cannot see anything different in the system of slavery Zevran is describing to, say, the one Ancient Rome used.

I know you find slavery inhumane...but let's not forget that slavery also produced the Mamelukes.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 08:40 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Orlais also had slavery, though Celene is abolishing it. Though I cannot see anything different in the system of slavery Zevran is describing to, say, the one Ancient Rome used.

We're contrasting Ferelden to other nations.

[Costin_Razvan]

Well certainly for elves the situation might be far worse in Antiva then in Fereldan, but I am not sure they have humans slaves there.

P.S. Nice story so far, I think you really nailed the intrigue of a Medieval Court.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well certainly for elves the situation might be far worse in Antiva then in Fereldan, but I am not sure they have humans slaves there.

Zevran is describing the preferred way to train Crows- to take them as children and do lots of dehumanizing crap to them and teach them to be cold-blooded murderers- and there are human Crows.  So maybe the humans were just street children and not slaves, but it's six and half dozen of the same.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well certainly for elves the situation might be far worse in Antiva then in Fereldan, but I am not sure they have humans slaves there.

Zevran is describing the preferred way to train Crows- to take them as children and do lots of dehumanizing crap to them and teach them to be cold-blooded murderers- and there are human Crows.  So maybe the humans were just street children and not slaves, but it's six and half dozen of the same.

I'm sure there were human ****s as well and the children they bore (particularly if the mother died like Zevran's) belonged to the brothel. As such, they could probably have been acquired by the Crows the same way.

[Costin_Razvan]

Zevran is describing the preferred way to train Crows- to take them as children and do lots of dehumanizing crap to them and teach them to be cold-blooded murderers- and there are human Crows. So maybe the humans were just street children and not slaves, but it's six and half dozen of the same.

Not to say you aren't right, but I think it's unimportant what happens to the few children who are taken in the Crows when judging the welfare in the whole country. Though I should mention that Antiva has not faced any major war since the first Qunari invasion, and that is due to the Crows.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 octobre 2010 - 09:02 .

[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well certainly for elves the situation might be far worse in Antiva then in Fereldan, but I am not sure they have humans slaves there.

Zevran is describing the preferred way to train Crows- to take them as children and do lots of dehumanizing crap to them and teach them to be cold-blooded murderers- and there are human Crows.  So maybe the humans were just street children and not slaves, but it's six and half dozen of the same.

There would be more human children born in ****houses than elven ones -- I can't imagine the human ones also wouldn't be sold.

Edit: Ninjaed a long time ago by Sarah.  I should catch up completely before posting!

Second edit: Antiva may not have been in any major wars, but it is an extremely violent country.  Wars may actually be safer.

Modifié par ejoslin, 14 octobre 2010 - 09:05 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Zevran is describing the preferred way to train Crows- to take them as children and do lots of dehumanizing crap to them and teach them to be cold-blooded murderers- and there are human Crows. So maybe the humans were just street children and not slaves, but it's six and half dozen of the same.

Not to say you aren't right, but I think it's unimportant what happens to the few children who are taken in the Crows when judging the welfare in the whole country. Though I should mention that Antiva has not faced any major war since the first Qunari invasion, and that is due to the Crows.

Well first of all it does not sound like "a few," if the Crows are essentially Antiva's army and every noble house has its own faction of them and the like.  You may think it the ends justify the means, but basing your army on child abuse is just sick.