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[Monica21]

How many pages is your List, phaonica?

[Costin_Razvan]

I would like to offer my help to sort through all the dialogue in the mod, so that it sounds authentic.



Seriously, once the mod is done I am going to do a Dragon Age: Origins LP with it.

[Persephone]

phaonica wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I wonder how easy it would be to make a mod where you can keep Alistair and Loghain.

The coding for that doesn't look too difficult (and it's super easy to do with a console command). It's just a lot of writing. And I think having them both available for the DR would be a challenge to code and write, too.

I was wondering.......I think you said that your Mod will include having them both......will you re-add the dialogue (I.E. The cut Ostagar dialogue) that is already written and recorded & buried in the toolset? I'll name my first born after you, if you do. :innocent:

[DWSmiley]

I've had both Loghain and Alistair in my party already! It was some glitch caused by a conflict of mods, I expect. Alistair should have bummed out at the Landsmeet but when exiting Eamon's palace afterward, both he and Loghain were available. I took the pair of them into the Denerim Market but got apprehensive about the game exploding, so I removed Alistair. He reappeared at Redcliffe though, as sort of a ghostly double of Loghain. Thankfully, he went away for good when I went upstairs to talk to Riordan. I shudder to think what Morrigan would have said.

[Addai]

On my last game, Alistair spoke with Loghain voice once after the LM. It was... weird.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

On my last game, Alistair spoke with Loghain voice once after the LM. It was... weird.

Tis a glitch. A scary one. But there's a fix, thank the Maker.

[Aeowyn]

DWSmiley wrote...

I've had both Loghain and Alistair in my party already! It was some glitch caused by a conflict of mods, I expect. Alistair should have bummed out at the Landsmeet but when exiting Eamon's palace afterward, both he and Loghain were available. I took the pair of them into the Denerim Market but got apprehensive about the game exploding, so I removed Alistair. He reappeared at Redcliffe though, as sort of a ghostly double of Loghain. Thankfully, he went away for good when I went upstairs to talk to Riordan. I shudder to think what Morrigan would have said.

The more the merrier? (don't hit me KoP)

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

On my last game, Alistair spoke with Loghain voice once after the LM. It was... weird.

One of my games, I pretty much never went back to camp but I did post-Landsmeet for some reason and Loghain just stood there and thanked me for saving 'the Arl's family.' It was rather ironic, really.

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...
How many pages is your List, phaonica?

Hard to say. I have craploads of notes, and they're everywhere. I've started keeping more detailed and organized notes for myself, since I'm having to budget my time more strictly recently.

Costin_Razvan wrote...
I would like to offer my help to sort through all the dialogue in the mod, so that it sounds authentic.

I'm hesitant to chop up any audio because it almost always sounds odd. If I were to do it, I'd plug the existing audio straight into the cutscene, then make notes on what sounds out of place, then go back and see what needed to be fixed.

Persephone wrote...
I was wondering.......I think you said that your Mod will include having them both......will you re-add the dialogue (I.E. The cut Ostagar dialogue) that is already written and recorded & buried in the toolset? I'll name my first born after you, if you do.

Yeah, I'll see what I can do to get those scenes put back in.

Addai67 wrote...
On my last game, Alistair spoke with Loghain voice once after the LM. It was... weird.

And I've had Loghain talking in Alistair's voice. Not sure which mod caused that glitch, heh.

Modifié par phaonica, 19 octobre 2010 - 09:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I'm hesitant to chop up any audio because it almost always sounds odd. If I were to do it, I'd plug the existing audio straight into the cutscene, then make notes on what sounds out of place, then go back and see what needed to be fixed.

Ah, I was referring to dialogue as a whole rather then just voice acted one.



Though I think "We Fereldans have proven that we shall never trully be conquered as long as we stand united!" would fit.in a battle speech

[phaonica]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I'm hesitant to chop up any audio because it almost always sounds odd. If I were to do it, I'd plug the existing audio straight into the cutscene, then make notes on what sounds out of place, then go back and see what needed to be fixed.

Ah, I was referring to dialogue as a whole rather then just voice acted one.

Though I think "We Fereldans have proven that we shall never trully be conquered as long as we stand united!" would fit.in a battle speech

Oh, you were just offering to critique my dialog writing! hehe.
It's coming along. Little by little.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Loghain does shout "For Ferelden!" and he has other battle cries in game. Maybe you can use that.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain does shout "For Ferelden!" and he has other battle cries in game. Maybe you can use that.

Doesn't he also say "For Maric"?  That made me  and then .


Speaking of which, this is not my favorite art style and I'm pretty sure Rowan's eyes were brown but I'll take what Stolen Throne art I can get.



link

Modifié par Addai67, 19 octobre 2010 - 10:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yes he does say "For Maric!" too. To be honest (and don't hate me Addai! lol), I was expecting Maric to be much more awesome than what he was in TST (he was still awesome, mind you), considering how Loghain almost idolized him.

And that art. Eum, Loghain looks weird.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Loghain does shout "For Ferelden!" and he has other battle cries in game. Maybe you can use that.

Probably could. It would bother me some to shift Loghain's Landsmeet speech out of the Landsmeet. Not sure what I would replace it with.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes he does say "For Maric!" too. To be honest (and don't hate me Addai! lol), I was expecting Maric to be much more awesome than what he was in TST (he was still awesome, mind you), considering how Loghain almost idolized him.
And that art. Eum, Loghain looks weird.

I think the point was that he was not what the legend made him out to be, while still being courageous and an able fighter and most importantly willing to put his life on the line for the cause.  You see it in Alistair too.  Real grit is being willing to step up, not being some superman.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Of course, I didn't expect a superman. But I didn't expect what I read either, considering how much Loghain knew him personally and wasn't talking about him as a legend, but as a friend. But maybe that's because I felt Maric was too close to the romantic ideal, which may or may not be realistic, I just don't usually find them as interesting.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes he does say "For Maric!" too. To be honest (and don't hate me Addai! lol), I was expecting Maric to be much more awesome than what he was in TST (he was still awesome, mind you), considering how Loghain almost idolized him.
And that art. Eum, Loghain looks weird.

I think the point was that he was not what the legend made him out to be, while still being courageous and an able fighter and most importantly willing to put his life on the line for the cause.  You see it in Alistair too.  Real grit is being willing to step up, not being some superman.

It's one thing if Maric is not what legends make him out to be, but another that Loghain knew him personally. If he was someone that Loghain respected and trusted, I had expected Maric to be charismatic, but sensible and not so sentimental.

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

It's one thing if Maric is not what legends make him out to be, but another that Loghain knew him personally. If he was someone that Loghain respected and trusted, I had expected Maric to be charismatic, but sensible and not so sentimental.

Because he was taken in by Katriel, you mean?  So was Loghain.  Not romantically of course, but Loghain interrogated and cleared her.  Otherwise, I don't see Maric as overly sentimental.  Not in a way that prevented him from doing what he had to do.  He was overly daring, if anything, but it goes to the swashbuckling part of his personality.

Edit:  Basically I see the difference between Maric and Loghain as one leads from the heart and the other from the head.  And well, sometimes the heart should lead, IMO.  Though it is better to have some balance, which Loghain and Maric gave each other and Rowan to both of them.

And also, Maric is awesome!  GO THEIRIN!    I had to get that in there.  LOL

Modifié par Addai67, 19 octobre 2010 - 11:18 .

[Persephone]

I bring Chapter Six of The Edge Of The Grey Enigma:

www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/6/

There is smut in there, somewhere....you HAVE been warned!!!

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

It's one thing if Maric is not what legends make him out to be, but another that Loghain knew him personally. If he was someone that Loghain respected and trusted, I had expected Maric to be charismatic, but sensible and not so sentimental.

Because he was taken in by Katriel, you mean?  So was Loghain.  Not romantically of course, but Loghain interrogated and cleared her. 

 Though Loghain still had her followed later. And, you know me, I'm still hung up on Maric's decision to go off into the Deep Roads with the Wardens. 

Edit:  Basically I see the difference between Maric and Loghain as one leads from the heart and the other from the head.  And well, sometimes the heart should lead, IMO.  Though it is better to have some balance, which Loghain and Maric gave each other and Rowan to both of them.

The thing is, when Loghain leads too much from the head, I recognize that that could be a problem. When Maric leads too much from the heart, I consider that a problem, too. I don't personally find Maric's actions made too much from the heart to be any more or less endearing or problematic than those that Loghain makes too much from the head.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maybe that's just me, but I never think anyone can lead "too much from the head". You can never be too rational. This idea of reason vs emotions is not a duality I agree with. Each serve their purpose and complement each other (some might find this weird coming from me, but I somewhat agree with Hume when he said "Reason is the slave of the passions". Passion is more than an emotion obviously). But any decision that is irrational, for me, is undesirable. Regardless of the sentimentality that I might sympathize with, I can't be brought to agree with an irrational action or irrational reasons to support an action (as much as I instinctively wanted to follow Morrigan in that mirror, I couldn't' do it until I found rational reasons to do so).

I don't think emotion is here to temper reason, I think the reverse. One can be too emotional, but for me one can't be too rational.

However, obviously not all emotional reactions are irrational (I think by definition, emotion is a-rational and what you decide to do with them is either rational or irrational). Emotion and reason don't always have to conflict. But when they do, I think the ruler should be rational. Emotion is subjective, reactive and generally short sighted and it needs to be tempered (that is not saying that reason isn't subjective, just that it can attempt to reach a certain objectivity that emotion can't).

Now of course no man can claim to hold the monopoly on reason and find perfectly rational solutions. There will always be ground to refute or disagree with their actions also based on reason, it's a very broad thing. That's why I don't like to use "the heart" as an argument, because I personally find it weak and it's an appeal to sentimentality, which is something that rulers especially ought to look beyond because their actions have long term implications for their people.

That doesn't mean I preach suppression of emotions, I find that unreasonable and undesirable. Just temperance and moderation via reason. Nor am I preaching for purely rational beings. Reason is a means to an end for me, not an end in and of itself. A tool for the passions and we are creatures of passion.

Anyways, this philosophical rant is just to say that I don't believe there is such a notion as being too rational. What I would fault Loghain for is a certain lack of prudence (especially when dealing with the bannorn) and moderation (vis a vis his very understandable but over-prioritizing concern over Orlais).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 octobre 2010 - 12:45 .

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

It's one thing if Maric is not what legends make him out to be, but another that Loghain knew him personally. If he was someone that Loghain respected and trusted, I had expected Maric to be charismatic, but sensible and not so sentimental.

Because he was taken in by Katriel, you mean?  So was Loghain.  Not romantically of course, but Loghain interrogated and cleared her. 

 Though Loghain still had her followed later. And, you know me, I'm still hung up on Maric's decision to go off into the Deep Roads with the Wardens.

By then all of them had their suspicions, but Maric was in love with her and not able to face his.  He's human.  And yeah, you know where I stand on him going into the Deep Roads.  That was a completely objective rational decision, highly self-sacrificial, that happened to coincide with his emotional state.  Destruction of the world > leading the kingdom and raising his son.
 

The thing is, when Loghain leads too much from the head, I recognize that that could be a problem. When Maric leads too much from the heart, I consider that a problem, too. I don't personally find Maric's actions made too much from the heart to be any more or less endearing or problematic than those that Loghain makes too much from the head.

Sure, I didn't say one was better.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 octobre 2010 - 02:19 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maybe that's just me, but I never think anyone can lead "too much from the head". You can never be too rational.

Obviously I disagree.  If you only do the pragmatic thing, you lose your humanity.  You're just a robot. Of course, as I said above, one goes with the other and a balance is necessary.

And we're only talking tendencies here.  Loghan acts in passion, instinct and emotion, too, and Maric is not a complete gadfly.  But people have their strengths and weaknesses.  They worked so well as a team because they balanced each other.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 octobre 2010 - 02:22 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Maybe that's just me, but I never think anyone can lead "too much from the head". You can never be too rational.

Obviously I disagree.  If you only do the pragmatic thing, you lose your humanity.  You're just a robot. Of course, as I said above, one goes with the other and a balance is necessary.

Which is why I added that reason is a means to an end, that end being passion. Passion =/= emotion, emotion is a part of it.

But in terms of which I believe is supposed to temper the other, reason tempers emotions and not vice versa. Imo of course.