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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

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 I hope this makes any sense at all. :happy:


Makes perfect sense and in some ways, it's similar to Arcturus and Morrigan falling in love, I think.

I agree with everything you said and I have argued in the past that Alistair, while he is not selfish, is self-centered in the sense that he has to relate everything to him, is not as thoughtful of the grief of others and as such can't see things objectively. And I do not believe he does that by malice or indifference. It's understandable, he's been rejected all his life as if he never mattered, so naturally he is going to be like that.
It annoyed me at first, then I understood it. Stil doesn't stop it from being annoying sometimes though.


This. I find that, the more I play the game, the more his behavior, even at the Landsmeet, is beginning to make sense. Rhiannon, however, does not share my forgiving heart. Not like that, anyway. :P

EDIT: 5000th post! OH MY!:wizard::wizard::wizard:

Modifié par Persephone, 01 novembre 2010 - 01:42 .


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I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.

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Addai67 wrote...

I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.


I already reviewed, Addai. You keep delivering awesome chapters! Well done! :wub:

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Addai67 wrote...

I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.


Cailan came around to reason much easier than I thought he would. Image IPB

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phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.


Cailan came around to reason much easier than I thought he would. Image IPB

That's assuming that that's the end of it and he's not going to sulk or be difficult, which I'm not so sure of. If it were really that easy, it would make the whole necessity for the marriage a bit lacking.

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

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DR? Poor bugger. I never make him do that, he really doesn't want to.


If he really really doesn't want to, I won't force him. But there are several good reasons why it makes sense for him to do it. Also, it's kind of a crucial part of my Mage's character arc. For pretty much the whole game, she's been all about letting people do what they want to do, not judging them, and only interfering when what they want to do involves the repression of other people from being and doing what they want to do. Now she finds herself in a situation where she has strong feelings about what she wants someone else to do, and for the first time is compelled by those feelings to impose her will upon that person. It's an interesting conundrum for her --the last thing she ever thought she'd do would be to dissuade anyone, let alone Loghain, from an honorable intention, but then if she lets him do what he wants, he will die. And at the end of the day, she has to confess that she just doesn't want him to die.


DR accomplished. The "poor bugger" did look very uncomfortable, but he went of his own free will and my Mage did not have to lie to him, force him, or be duplicitious about it in any way. She even told him straight out about the child (Morrigan always seems bemused when my Wardens do this). She just laid the facts on the table, added that she didn't want Loghain to die, and gave him his own choice. He took it. Whew. I will of course let him be the one to kill the Archdemon as a reward for this sacrifice. ^_^

What surprised me as much as the ease with which Loghain was convinced was the absence of the classic "You'll forgive me if I close my eyes and think of my dead wife" line. I was expecting that, but he didn't say it. :mellow:

And now it's off to slay the Archdemon with the curious band of Grainne the Mage, Loghain the Hero of River Dane, Morrigan the (now pregnant) Witch of the Wilds and, perhaps most surprisingly, Carcharoth the Mabari war dog. I never thought I would bring Dog to the final battle seeing as how Dragons and dragon-type creatures have always found him so crunchable. I also realize that not having a Rogue with me will put me at a disadvantage. But I finished off my first Archdemon without fixing any of the Ballistas once they had jammed, so what the heck. And I couldn't bear to separate the Glimmer Twins (my nickname for Dog and Loghain, especially when they insist on barreling through and setting off any and all traps in the area before a Rogue can even detect, let alone disarm them :P).

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 01 novembre 2010 - 06:17 .


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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

What surprised me as much as the ease with which Loghain was convinced was the absence of the classic "You'll forgive me if I close my eyes and think of my dead wife" line. I was expecting that, but he didn't say it. :mellow:


That line is only said if you don't tell Loghain what the DR will accomplish. If you do then you get his questioning of Morrigan's plans.

A shame really, Morrigan's "You'd rather think of a corpse than me" remark is hilarious!

I do like how it's possible to convince Loghain to do the DR without forcing him. His comment about how we could've forced him and leave him no choice (which really shows how Loghain sees himself as your subordinate) makes me like him even more.

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Morrigan's line is typically tasteless. Ah, Morrigan. Such a softie.

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She's all tact and diplomacy, that one.

Just read the new chapter, Addai...keep it up!

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alschemid wrote...

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Ok great. And can you make the cloak underneath the armor on the left?

I thought of attaching the cloak like this, works for you?

Not to be too needy, but would you consider a cloak for the female version of the same armor?

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Only let Loghain live once, damn Alistair's tantrum is hard to take. But I didn't let him touch Morrigan, she's mine dammit. But its totally worth it to have him as a Father-In-Law, he actually gets on my good side. But I seriously cringe at the thought of him and Morrigan together... its disturbing - unnatural -and that is just too much cunning and calculation for a single being to contain. Imagine just Loghain alone produced the force of will that is Anora. Now take equal parts Morrigan, Loghain, and then multiply that by the essence of an Old God. I dub thee Damien Mac Tir.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.


Cailan came around to reason much easier than I thought he would. Image IPB

That's assuming that that's the end of it and he's not going to sulk or be difficult, which I'm not so sure of. If it were really that easy, it would make the whole necessity for the marriage a bit lacking.

Not going to say too much, but Cailan is not a monster.  Who knows what would have happened if Ellie had just been more honest with him and more forceful before all of this.  But recall that Anora was involved so Ellie might not have gotten a clear picture of what was at stake.

Okay, zipping lips.  ^_^

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Esbatty wrote...

But I seriously cringe at the thought of him and Morrigan together... its disturbing - unnatural -and that is just too much cunning and calculation for a single being to contain. Imagine just Loghain alone produced the force of will that is Anora. Now take equal parts Morrigan, Loghain, and then multiply that by the essence of an Old God. I dub thee Damien Mac Tir.


Aww, it's not that disturbing...

^_^:P=]

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 novembre 2010 - 07:06 .


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Zjarcal wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

But I seriously cringe at the thought of him and Morrigan together... its disturbing - unnatural -and that is just too much cunning and calculation for a single being to contain. Imagine just Loghain alone produced the force of will that is Anora. Now take equal parts Morrigan, Loghain, and then multiply that by the essence of an Old God. I dub thee Damien Mac Tir.


Aww, it's not that disturbing...


MUST - NOT - CLICK... whoa. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Why you do this to me, Z? WHY?!?! I bring the forum only love - and off-kilter humor - but mostly love. Sometimes awkwardness. BUT NEVER PAIN... AND REGRET! *weeps* He is so hairy. *tears*

But the nudity, its tragically awesome.

Modifié par Esbatty, 01 novembre 2010 - 07:08 .


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What? I only said it wasn't disturbing. :innocent:

Oh, what's that, there were links hidden in there? Ooops... :P

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Anyways... *sniffle* (right click save first link).



Kissyface Loghain, a modder needs to get on that STAT!

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Sarah1281 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I missed page 200.  Anyway, a late congrats, and here is chapter 11 of The Arrangement.


Cailan came around to reason much easier than I thought he would. Image IPB

That's assuming that that's the end of it and he's not going to sulk or be difficult, which I'm not so sure of. If it were really that easy, it would make the whole necessity for the marriage a bit lacking.


I debated whether or not to add "or *did* he?". Things never go down that easy. And more dramatic drama is more dramatic.  Image IPB

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Heh Esbatty, thank your lucky stars that there were no screenies of Loghain's uh, well, y'know.

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Zjarcal wrote...

What? I only said it wasn't disturbing. :innocent:

Oh, what's that, there were links hidden in there? Ooops... :P


:devil: Naughty Zjarcal. :devil:

Although I found the links to be almost as disturbing as Esbatty did. . .poor Loghain, he looks so unhappy in most of those shots. And yes, I did put him up to it, but still. . .

Ah well. It's done, and Ferelden's new Grey Warden recruiter seems none the worse for uh, wear. I was kind of surprised, and somewhat disappointed, that there were no options either among the official "boon-granting" conversation with Anora, nor in her personal post-coronation dialogue, in which the Warden can ask her to forgive her father and let the past die. I'm not sure if she considers the post she's given him to be a sign of that forgiveness, or a further punishment/estrangement. He's wry about it, of course --as usual-- but doesn't seem to mind terribly. "Enjoy your celebration," he says. "I shall see you with the Wardens." You got it, partner.

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CalJones wrote...

Heh Esbatty, thank your lucky stars that there were no screenies of Loghain's uh, well, y'know.

His Landsmeat?

*bleurgh*

I threw up in my mouth a little.

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Esbatty wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Heh Esbatty, thank your lucky stars that there were no screenies of Loghain's uh, well, y'know.

His Landsmeat?

OMG...  I'm glad I did not have a hot beverage anywhere nearby when I read this.

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Esbatty wrote...

Kissyface Loghain, a modder needs to get on that STAT!

Aww, you're such a softie, Esbatty.  A true romantic.  Image IPB

Now you're going to make me play fake-Ellie all the way damn through the game just to get a gates kiss.

Nah, that's not happenin.  I've moved on to Fallout.

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Monica21 wrote...
Not to be too needy, but would you consider a cloak for the female version of the same armor?


For the female human I would consider, for dwarves and elves, male or female, not in the near future unless someone else is willing to help or expand the mod on their own.

belated happy 200 pages, oh... I lost all the fun.:pinched:

His landsmeat! yummmy :devil:

Modifié par alschemid, 01 novembre 2010 - 05:44 .


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Morwen Eledhwen

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alschemid wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

I know. . .I tried to get rid of the shiny for poor sleeping Loghain's sake but I don't have the skillz. . .or the toolz. . .He looks like Zevran played some sort of prank on him while he was nodded off, by coating his nether regions in shiny Antivan "painted elf" stuff. ^_^

Got a fix: social.bioware.com/project/3666/#files
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Ah yes. . .a huge improvement. Although the deepest shadow being right where it is, looks a bit like he's had an accident. . .

And is that The Cloak I see trailing behind him? Excellent. . .B)

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Esbatty wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Heh Esbatty, thank your lucky stars that there were no screenies of Loghain's uh, well, y'know.

His Landsmeat?

*bleurgh*

I threw up in my mouth a little.


Ha ha ha! I did actually have a hot beverage near me when I read that. Fortunately it wasn't in my mouth. The tea, I mean. Not the Landsmeat.

Addai - jealous, a little bit. I ordered FNV before it came out. Latest delivery estimate will be between 17th and 29th November. Grrr! I guess there has been a rush on copies and they couldn't fulfill all their orders. Obviously I could cancel it and go to a shop and buy it but it'd be twice the price, and I wouldn't get the preorder bonus thingy. So I'll bide my time.