phaonica wrote...
TJPags wrote...
To the first - he stole bread - or wheat (I saw the subsequent post, but didn't quote it - also, been a while since I played Awakening). We're talking shoplifting here. The equivalent - to me - of stealing a dessert spoon from the White House, or a second dessert from Buckingham Palace. Hang a man for that? No. It's not so much who he stole from - so long as, like I said before, we're not talking about some crazy famine where that loaf of bread was all a family had to eat for a week - as what he stole. A loaf of bread, or bushel or 2 of wheat. That's not worth a life, to me.
Fair enough. I thought that you were saying that breaking a law demanded punishment, therefore if your choices were no punishment or too-severe punishment, that lawbreaking necessitates punishment, no matter the circumstances.To the second - All I knew about his motivations, when I first played, was what we see in game. No place in game does he explain why he retreated at Ostagar, why he poisoned Eamon, why he didn't keep a closer watch on Howe - in fact, in that regard, Anora tells us Howe suggested killing her, and Loghain seemingly did nothing to him, why Loghain felt it was okay to finance a war against his own people by selling others of his own people into slavery, etc. He NEVER explains himself.
No, he doesn't explain all that stuff (at least, not in a candid, non-political, not-in-front-of-the-Landsmeet way). I know his actions, but not his motivations. The retreat at Ostagar was an action, not a motivation. Poisoning Eamon was an action, not a motivation. Etc. There are other actions of his to consider. I know he was considered a hero at River Dane. I know he was instrumental in helping take Ferelden's independance back from Orlais. I know that he earned the close friendship and confidence of the former king Maric, who was also referred to as a hero and a savior. I know that up until his retreat at Ostagar, that he was generally well respected and trusted, and that he had a history of doing right by Ferelden, whatever his motivations for that were. For all that I didn't know why , he had a history of doing things to help Ferelden, and it was possible that he had a good reason or motivation for what he had done at Ostagar and after.
Oh no - there has to be SOME kind of punishment for someone who breaks the law. if I implied I thought otherwise, I mispoke.
With the guy who stole the bread, I thought putting him in the army was the right choice. Perfect choice? Maybe not. People are free to disagree. But it made sense to me.
And yes, what you say about Loghain is true, in terms of his past as we learn it in the game. It's just so sparse, I personally couldn't make much of it.
To everyone else - I don't see those as explanations, or at least, not sufficient ones. He doesn't address anything directly, IMO, he just generally says, I had to do it. Well, I disagree, especially when it comes to the lies, the poison, etc. None of that was necessary.
And about the civil war - the banns were rebelling against HIM because they thought he had no right to tell them what to do - and they were CORRECT. He may have been winning that war, but it sure seems to me that the darkspawn were swallowing the country while he did so. They were the threat, not the banns.
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