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[Addai]

Isn't it funny when my husband posts replies to stuff I've posted.  We own the thread.  LOL

Anyway, Chapter 14 of The Arrangement hot off the presses.

[CalJones]

A very intriguing chapter. I replied on the fanfic forum. It's interesting to see why he'd believe Howe that the Couslands were turning traitor.

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

Isn't it funny when my husband posts replies to stuff I've posted.  We own the thread.  LOL

Anyway, Chapter 14 of The Arrangement hot off the presses.

I don't see how the arls or teryns would control the Bannorn, certainly they have their own minor banns ( or maybe not if you by codex ), but I cannot see them having control over the Banns in the Bannorn.

Anyway, good read.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Isn't it funny when my husband posts replies to stuff I've posted.  We own the thread.  LOL

Anyway, Chapter 14 of The Arrangement hot off the presses.

I don't see how the arls or teryns would control the Bannorn, certainly they have their own minor banns ( or maybe not if you by codex ), but I cannot see them having control over the Banns in the Bannorn.

Anyway, good read.

You're probably right about that.  I made a small change to say that he was relying on estimates by neighboring arls.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

Isn't it funny when my husband posts replies to stuff I've posted.  We own the thread.  LOL

Anyway, Chapter 14 of The Arrangement hot off the presses.

I don't know whether to think that Loghain is being too stuck in the past and fighting an old war, or to be as suspicous as he is. If if he were right, he seems almost powerless to do anything about it, despite being a teyrn.

[Addai]

@phaonica, I imagine it is all in how you look at it. Which is why I tried to show minor characters that both agree and disagree with him. He's not the only one for whom the idea of Orlesians in Ferelden is nightmare fuel. What I didn't show so much in this chapter, and might redress later on, is that I don't think he's as bothered by the idea of trade with Orlais as the possible political implications. And he wants to know that Ferelden is going to always have the upper hand. As I wrote him, he was open to foreign trade when Maric was alive, seeing it as an unpleasant necessity. I imagine he feels a lot less secure with Cailan in charge (and hey, who wouldn't).

His powerlessness, that is something I felt in this chapter too and I think that probably informs a lot of what will come. If you feel like you're the lone man on the field, and so much is at stake, you're willing to do things you might not otherwise do. But now I'm saying too much! 

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:34 .

[Addai]

double post *insert naked Loghain pic here*

Editing to fix double post... here's one of my favorites.  The nipple decoration is mine, to make it forum-compliant. 



link to original

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Sarah1281]

All I know is that if the Couslands end up being massacred, I want Eamon to have gone first.

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

All I know is that if the Couslands end up being massacred, I want Eamon to have gone first.

!


Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

Modifié par Addai67, 22 novembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

All I know is that if the Couslands end up being massacred, I want Eamon to have gone first.

!


Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

What? The Couslands and Eamon appear to be equally responsible for this business with Orlais and someone mentioned something about how this could be providing Loghain with a reason to believe Howe when he claims that the Couslands are traitors. I like the Couslands more than Eamon. Why is it weird or -inducing to rather that Eamon die instead of the Couslands or that if the Couslands do end up dying Eamon is already out of the way so that he's not around to muck everything up like he does in game? 

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

@phaonica, I imagine it is all in how you look at it. Which is why I tried to show minor characters that both agree and disagree with him. He's not the only one for whom the idea of Orlesians in Ferelden is nightmare fuel. What I didn't show so much in this chapter, and might redress later on, is that I don't think he's as bothered by the idea of trade with Orlais as the possible political implications. And he wants to know that Ferelden is going to always have the upper hand. As I wrote him, he was open to foreign trade when Maric was alive, seeing it as an unpleasant necessity.

Agreed. I don't think he'd feel like Ferelden should have *nothing* to do with Orlais, and while it's probably in Ferelden's best interest to be on as friendly terms with Orlais as possible, like you said, Loghain would be concerned with Ferelden not becoming economically dependant or politically beholden to Orlais. 

 I imagine he feels a lot less secure with Cailan in charge (and hey, who wouldn't).

Exactly, because while I was thinking to myself about the nobles, "hey, they can't go around making political connections with Orlaisian nobility behind the king's back, can they?" Chances are, Cailan would encourage it. Not that those connections are all bad, just that I wouldn't trust Cailan to police it properly.

His powerlessness, that is something I felt in this chapter too

As little support and control that the king seems to have over the bannorn, and with the nobles just doing whatever they want, and with Cailan's likeliness to back them and not Loghain (for both politcial and personal reasons), there doesn't seem to be a damn thing Loghain could do about it (short of poisoning someone, of course ).

 and I think that probably informs a lot of what will come. If you feel like you're the lone man on the field, and so much is at stake, you're willing to do things you might not otherwise do. But now I'm saying too much! 

Normally I read these fics for the romance in them and I'm usually not captivated by the politics in them, but this one sure has me on both fronts!   Reminds me of when I was reading Kushiel'sDart or The Bone Doll's Twin.

Modifié par phaonica, 22 novembre 2010 - 09:38 .

[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

All I know is that if the Couslands end up being massacred, I want Eamon to have gone first.

!


Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

What? The Couslands and Eamon appear to be equally responsible for this business with Orlais and someone mentioned something about how this could be providing Loghain with a reason to believe Howe when he claims that the Couslands are traitors. I like the Couslands more than Eamon. Why is it weird or -inducing to rather that Eamon die instead of the Couslands or that if the Couslands do end up dying Eamon is already out of the way so that he's not around to muck everything up like he does in game? 

That is me zipping my lips on future events in the story. 

[alschemid]

phaonica wrote...
I don't know whether to think that Loghain is being too stuck in the past and fighting an old war, or to be as suspicous as he is. If if he were right, he seems almost powerless to do anything about it, despite being a teyrn.

I don't think there is much he can do in this situation, but I don't understand why he was caught by surprise, suspicious as he is I would assume he has a few spies on his payroll to know what is going on, unless he doesn't trust the spies.

I don't remember seen this one here:


Link

Modifié par alschemid, 22 novembre 2010 - 09:55 .

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

 I imagine he feels a lot less secure with Cailan in charge (and hey, who wouldn't).

Exactly, because while I was thinking to myself about the nobles, "hey, they can't go around making political connections with Orlaisian nobility behind the king's back, can they?" Chances are, Cailan would encourage it. Not that those connections are all bad, just that I wouldn't trust Cailan to police it properly.

As I read Fereldan politics, not all roads lead to or through Denerim so the teyrnirs (and Eamon, who wants to be a teyrn or something important really really bad) can have a bit of independent foreign policy.  In this case, if people are wanting to take a more direct hand, it's because they perceive Cailan as weak.  And eventually the tail can end up wagging the dog.  Not like Cailan has a lot of original foreign policy ideas... but now I'm getting ahead of myself again.

His powerlessness, that is something I felt in this chapter too

As little support and control that the king seems to have over the bannorn, and with the nobles just doing whatever they want, and with Cailan's likeliness to back them and not Loghain (for both politcial and personal reasons), there doesn't seem to be a damn thing Loghain could do about it (short of poisoning someone, of course ).

One of the things that stuck out in that old thread on TST was Gaider saying that Loghain had a lot of guilt about not being able to defend his mother.  The feeling of powerlessness is sadly not new to him. 

Normally I read these fics for the romance in them and I'm usually not captivated by the politics in them, but this one sure has me on both fronts!   Reminds me of when I was reading Kushiel'sDart or The Bone Doll's Twin.

Gee, thank you.    I've not read those, but have heard of Kushiel's Dart around the forums here.  Anyway, I hope you're not disappointed in the end.  [/angst]

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

That is what my worst nightmare would look like.

Except Cailan would ask me to acknowledge him as king.
....brrr makes me shiver

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 novembre 2010 - 11:08 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

That is what my worst nightmare would look like.

LOL  You and my character both.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Seen on dA... I have no idea what this is meant to represent but it made me LOL.  (linking due to bad language)

That is what my worst nightmare would look like.

LOL  You and my character both.

Add all of my Wardens. Egads, that IS torture.

[Persephone]

alschemid wrote...

phaonica wrote...
I don't know whether to think that Loghain is being too stuck in the past and fighting an old war, or to be as suspicous as he is. If if he were right, he seems almost powerless to do anything about it, despite being a teyrn.

I don't think there is much he can do in this situation, but I don't understand why he was caught by surprise, suspicious as he is I would assume he has a few spies on his payroll to know what is going on, unless he doesn't trust the spies.

I don't remember seen this one here:
*Snips*

There's that hinted at smile... he seems....content on that picture. Reminding me of his posture and relaxed humor in the DAA cameo... *Sighs* 

[CalJones]

It's almost as scary as...

Modifié par CalJones, 22 novembre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Well we all know that Cailan had his women.

Now we know HOW he had them.



Urk.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

One of the things that stuck out in that old thread on TST was Gaider saying that Loghain had a lot of guilt about not being able to defend his mother.  The feeling of powerlessness is sadly not new to him. 

Yea, I talked about that a while ago.
I think that was the point. The Orlesian chevaliers wanted him to feel powerless and helpless while watching it all happen.  That could break people really.
A very similar thing happens in Origins, and he can't let go because I think he doesn't want to admit he is somewhat powerless.

Sigh. Can't wait to get my new PC so I can play the game agan.

And BTW, I'll catch up on your FF once I am done with my essays :happy:

[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...

double post *insert naked Loghain pic here*

Editing to fix double post... here's one of my favorites.  The nipple decoration is mine, to make it forum-compliant. 

*snip*

link to original

Now you have favorite naked Loghain pics? 

And that Cailan fanart was scary, too scary.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well we all know that Cailan had his women.
Now we know HOW he had them.

Urk.

Aww... I still squee over Cailan.  Yes, it's true.    And here's a nice sexy Cailan to balance it all out.

[philiposophy]

So, Loghain Mac Tir...

First of all, that name - Teyrn Loghain Mac Tir. It just sounds so badass. But anyway:

He's one of my favourite four characters in Dragon Age so far. I think this stems from the fact that opposing him is something difficult to do, even though it is necessary. Loghain is a national hero, and Ser Cauthrien is absolutely right when she says I'm opposing the very man who ensured I was born into freedom. There is no satisfaction to be found in bringing down such a man, but it has to be done. And of course, Simon Templeman's voice acting throughout the game is absolutely tremendous.

And that's why I love Loghain.

Shame I pretty much always kill him at the Landsmeet

[Giggles_Manically]

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well we all know that Cailan had his women.
Now we know HOW he had them.

Urk.

Aww... I still squee over Cailan.  Yes, it's true.    And here's a nice sexy Cailan to balance it all out.

I cant stand Cailan at all, his voice and:


Make me want to throttle him.