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[KnightofPhoenix]

So, having played Leliana's song, I was left wondering. What would have Loghain thought of Raleigh and the Hard Line? On one hand, Raleigh and his Hard Line unit were instrumental in Ferelden's war of liberation. On the other hand, Raleigh is scum and has been denied his title and land by Maric because of his excessive cruelty. I can never see Loghain approving of someone boasting about how they rape Orlesians or otherwise.

Do you think Loghain would have agreed or encouraged Maric to take that action? Or would have been indifferent / didn't feel strongly about it? Or would have disagreed with Maric?

And it's evident that Loghain is not the most "radical" / hard lined vis a vis Orlais, Raleigh was much worse he wanted to start a war just to get his land back.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, having played Leliana's song, I was left wondering. What would have Loghain thought of Raleigh and the Hard Line? On one hand, Raleigh and his Hard Line unit were instrumental in Ferelden's war of liberation. On the other hand, Raleigh is scum and has been denied his title and land by Maric because of his excessive cruelty. I can never see Loghain approving of someone boasting about how they rape Orlesians or otherwise.

Do you think Loghain would have agreed or encouraged Maric to take that action? Or would have been indifferent / didn't feel strongly about it? Or would have disagreed with Maric?

And it's evident that Loghain is not the most "radical" / hard lined vis a vis Orlais, Raleigh was much worse he wanted to start a war just to get his land back.

I think Loghain's thoughts about Raleigh might be similar to his thoughts about Howe. While Howe is useful to him during the Blight, Loghain doesn't necessarily approve of Howe's other actions, but allows it for the sake of their alliance. Once the alliance is no longer needful, Loghain would no longer 'allow' those actions to occur, and potentially even turn on Howe.

Modifié par phaonica, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:04 .

[Addai]

I'm afraid I wasn't paying very close attention to Leliana's Song. But I'm sure there were others who were anti-Orlesian. You saw it more in Awakening and Gaider has mentioned on the forums that Maric took a lot of heat for not taking a harder line against Orlesians who chose to stay/ be assimilated.

BTW in the DA2 forums Gaider just said there will be more Thedas-based novels. No details yet.

Modifié par Addai67, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:24 .

[Esbatty]

Loghain as a chippendale's dancer... now I HAVE seen it all.

[Addai]

Esbatty wrote...

Loghain as a chippendale's dancer... now I HAVE seen it all.

He's got the mooooves.

I want to see Loghain in tartan and kilt.  Almost as much as I want to see Alistair as a Regulator with a smoking sidearm.  Alas, just as Skadi lacks the toolset skills to make her visions happen, I lack the Photoshop. 

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

BTW in the DA2 forums Gaider just said there will be more Thedas-based novels. No details yet.

Ooh, that's cool. If I remember right, his previous comments on that were that he was *way* too busy to be working on a novel. Maybe he's not writing the next one(s), but someone else is?

[Esbatty]

Addai67 wrote...

Esbatty wrote...

Loghain as a chippendale's dancer... now I HAVE seen it all.

He's got the mooooves.

I want to see Loghain in tartan and kilt.  Almost as much as I want to see Alistair as a Regulator with a smoking sidearm.  Alas, just as Skadi lacks the toolset skills to make her visions happen, I lack the Photoshop. 

ROFLMAO... I'd see him bust out some moves to take an Orlesian dancer down a peg or three.

[CalJones]

I can't see Loghain dancing.

[phaonica]

I haven't checked for Loghain deviations in a while. Looks like there are quite a few new ones. Heres a few goodies.

by http://sakuna.deviantart.com/



by http://dragonreine.deviantart.com/




http://aimo.deviantart.com/

[Esbatty]

CalJones wrote...

I can't see Loghain dancing.

I can't stop seeing him dancing.

♪What is love? Baby don't hurt me... don't hurt me... no more.♫

[Persephone]

phaonica wrote...

I haven't checked for Loghain deviations in a while. Looks like there are quite a few new ones. Heres a few goodies.

http://aimo.deviantart.com/

This is just PERFECTION. Poor Anora. That must be VERY frustrating. :innocent:

[Addai]

*giggle* Why is aimo so brilliant? It's not fair to the rest of us.

[Esbatty]

WHOA... Teagan - wow, just read who the Author was. Does this happen when you help Bella and the orphaned brother and sister get to Denerim, that Teagan ends up with no one to marry so he just writes erotic fiction all day?



And Loghain of all people? Wow, yeah Aimo really loves her some Dragon Age, lol.

[DragonRacer13]

Esbatty wrote...

CalJones wrote...

I can't see Loghain dancing.

I can't stop seeing him dancing.

♪What is love? Baby don't hurt me... don't hurt me... no more.♫

Oh God, I remember having a weird daydream one time about what the DAO cast would look like if Umpa's Oblivion/Fallout dancing mod were usable... and that was the exact song that came to mind while the companions (Loghain included) were busting a move.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD, ESBATTY!!!!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So, having played Leliana's song, I was left wondering. What would have Loghain thought of Raleigh and the Hard Line? On one hand, Raleigh and his Hard Line unit were instrumental in Ferelden's war of liberation. On the other hand, Raleigh is scum and has been denied his title and land by Maric because of his excessive cruelty. I can never see Loghain approving of someone boasting about how they rape Orlesians or otherwise.

Do you think Loghain would have agreed or encouraged Maric to take that action? Or would have been indifferent / didn't feel strongly about it? Or would have disagreed with Maric?

And it's evident that Loghain is not the most "radical" / hard lined vis a vis Orlais, Raleigh was much worse he wanted to start a war just to get his land back.

I think I'd pick apathy in this case. He'd pretty much leave the descision to Maric. The Hard Line might have been useful in the war against Orlais, but if they were getting out of control and behaving like rabid war dogs, then I think he'd pretty much shrug and say "whatever, Maric." It is not a descision I can see him feeling strongly about either way.

Now, if you posed the same question to Loghain during the timeline of Origins, long after Maric is gone and there's a big mess in ferelden, I think he would have looked the other way and recruited them to his cause in exchange for giving them their lands and titles back. Since, in Loghain's mind, at the time, there is a massive Orlesian conspiracy and a large darkspawn invasion, their past shames mean nothing, he'll take any help he gets. the fact that he allied with Howe and allowed the elves to be sold into slavery confirms this for me. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Wereparrot]

I've said before in the DA2 forum that I think Loghain's villany was superflous, and I stand by it for two reasons:

1. The assumption that the Warden wants to put Maric's bastard son on the throne. Bastards have not inherited the throne in any kingdom. This is a plot hole you could sail an oil tanker through if you ask me, especially since, once Alastair is king, he then turns all conservative and has to marry a noble. How ironic that in the real world these customs are reversed. Ferelden is similar to England in several ways, but why not constitutionally?

2. Loghain assumed that the Warden would go running to Orlais for support. He had no evidence to suggest and should have been working with the Warden in this respect.

If his only crime was arrogance, he could expect and recieve mercy; but his dissertion and treason at Ostagar suggest otherwise. It is to his credit that he does not deny his punishment.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 03 décembre 2010 - 03:10 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wereparrot wrote...

1. The assumption that the Warden wants to put Maric's bastard son on the throne. Bastards have not inherited the throne in any kingdom. This is a plot hole you could sail an oil tanker through if you ask me, especially since, once Alastair is king, he then turns all conservative and has to marry a noble. How ironic that in the real world these customs are reversed. Ferelden is similar to England in several ways, but why not constitutionally?

You would be incorrect here. bastards have, both in the real world and in Thedas, have taken thrones. Though not a normal or desired occurance in many societies, it has happened. William the Conqueror is a prime example.

Alistair's insistance on marrying a noble is practical and wise. His holding the throne and keeping Landsmeet support is already shaky as is, no need to do anything that will endanger a delicate situation as is.

[Wereparrot]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

1. The assumption that the Warden wants to put Maric's bastard son on the throne. Bastards have not inherited the throne in any kingdom. This is a plot hole you could sail an oil tanker through if you ask me, especially since, once Alastair is king, he then turns all conservative and has to marry a noble. How ironic that in the real world these customs are reversed. Ferelden is similar to England in several ways, but why not constitutionally?

You would be incorrect here. bastards have, both in the real world and in Thedas, have taken thrones. Though not a normal or desired occurance in many societies, it has happened. William the Conqueror is a prime example.

Alistair's insistance on marrying a noble is practical and wise. His holding the throne and keeping Landsmeet support is already shaky as is, no need to do anything that will endanger a delicate situation as is.

William the Conqueror was a userper. He never inherited anything.

I was referring to England. I apologize for any inacuracies for worldwide monarchies, but I can can think of no bastard kings that have been recognised as heir.

EDIT: It is worth noting that English, and therefore world history, would have taken a very different course is, say, Henry II's basstard Geoffrey, had been crowned ahead of Richard I (Geoffrey was older.)

Modifié par Wereparrot, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Wulfram]

The Tudor claim to the throne was based on their descent through someone born out of wedlock.

[Wereparrot]

Wulfram wrote...

The Tudor claim to the throne was based on their descent through someone born out of wedlock.

This is not certain. If indeed Henry VII's father was a bastard, Henry's claim was clearly invalid. It doesn't change the constitution.

EDIT: In the parliament of 1453 Edmund Tudor was declared legitimate.

Modifié par Wereparrot, 03 décembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[roundcrow]

Persephone wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I haven't checked for Loghain deviations in a while. Looks like there are quite a few new ones. Heres a few goodies.

http://aimo.deviantart.com/

This is just PERFECTION. Poor Anora. That must be VERY frustrating. :innocent:

This. Is. Awesome.

[Wulfram]

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The Tudor claim to the throne was based on their descent through someone born out of wedlock.

This is not certain. If indeed Henry VII's father was a bastard, Henry's claim was clearly invalid. It doesn't change the constitution.

EDIT: In the parliament of 1453 Edmund Tudor was declared legitimate.

I'm referring to the Tudor descent from the Beauforts, the offspring of John of Gaunt and his mistress Katherine Swynford.

[Wereparrot]

Wulfram wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The Tudor claim to the throne was based on their descent through someone born out of wedlock.

This is not certain. If indeed Henry VII's father was a bastard, Henry's claim was clearly invalid. It doesn't change the constitution.

EDIT: In the parliament of 1453 Edmund Tudor was declared legitimate.

I'm referring to the Tudor descent from the Beauforts, the offspring of John of Gaunt and his mistress Katherine Swynford.

John Beaufort, first Earl of Somerset, was indeed the first of four illegitimate children of John of Gaunt and Katherine Swinford, yet Henry IV (the first Tudor), was born of John's first wife, Blanche of Lancaster, and legitimate.

[Sarah1281]

Ferelden is similar to England in several ways, but why not constitutionally?

Because they aren't looking to have Ferelden BE England.

[Costin_Razvan]

Well...I was bored so I decided to test some new zones in WoW.

Go figure how I named my characters. "Chuckle" ( check pics. )

Loghain the troll!



And the Gnome.



I am pretty damned surprised the name isn't baned from use or anything.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 décembre 2010 - 05:56 .