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[Costin_Razvan]

Loghain's only mistake is not killing him way before.

I dunno...even assassinated quietly it would still cause problems for Loghain, perhaps even more so then Cailan dying at the hands of the Darkspawn.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I grow weary of trying to find an explanation for every sodding point. That's why I am going to quote TIM from ME: Retribution.

"The simple-minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together" - The Illusive Man, Mass Effect: Retribution

What can you do.

I don't think anyone actually thought this could be a Loghain appreciation thread, without someone coming in here and arguing about what has been argued millions of times, while at the same time saying how much they fear the thread.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Loghain's only mistake is not killing him way before.

I dunno...even assassinated quietly it would still cause problems for Loghain, perhaps even more so then Cailan dying at the hands of the Darkspawn.

Then making him ill like Eamon.

[Master Shiori]

Do we know for sure that the beacon wasn't lit in time?



I know Alistair says that you might have missed the signal, but nothing in the game itself seems to suggest that this is the case. Neither do I remember any of the writers saying the beacon wasn't lit in time.

[Giggles_Manically]

I just like Loghain since he is a fallen and twisted person in Origins, but when he was younger he was a good man. And when given a chance in the end the real Loghain emerges from under years of hate and paronoia.

However after sparing him just once and hearing him plead to allow him to give his very soul to stop the problem he helped make so bad, well all my hate died there.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 31 août 2010 - 08:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Master Shiori wrote...

Do we know for sure that the beacon wasn't lit in time?

I know Alistair says that you might have missed the signal, but nothing in the game itself seems to suggest that this is the case. Neither do I remember any of the writers saying the beacon wasn't lit in time.

A great probability. We will never know for sure. What we do know is that Loghain thought the battle was lost at that point, possibly because he thought it was lit too late.

[Costin_Razvan]

What can you do.



I don't think anyone actually thought this could be a Loghain appreciation thread, without someone coming in here and arguing about what has been argued millions of times, while at the same time saying how much they fear the thread.

Haters going to hate, you know the saying. Seriously, Addai reminds me of Lotion Solinar ( Loghain Defense thread ).



Though this thread has made me consider somewhat changing the Plot of War of Shadows...hmm.



P.S. Did you like latest chapter of FF?

[KnightofPhoenix]

No no, I would not compare Addai to Lotion. Lotion was straight up annoying. Addai is reasonable. It's just that we already had the same discussion gizillions of times that I eventually get tired of it.

And yea I like it. As much as I can anyways, you know I hate cross fiction. But your style is very entertaining and actually sounds smart (which is rare).

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...
A few Wardens were helping the Architect, as were some mages and some Orlesians, and it was also the Wardens along with Maric and Loghain who put down the Architect's plan.  Loghain witnessed both.  If he only sees "Wardens work with darkspawn," that's because of his own obsessions.

He would know that several of the Wardens agreed with the Architect and several of them didn't. He would know that the leader of that group was manipulated by them.

Still, I have to hand it to you.  In all my time on the boards I've now heard something new.  The Grey Wardens planned Ostagar... wow.  This is a new, even nuttier Loghain than I had envisioned.  Of course, there's not a scrap of evidence in the game that Loghain actually believes this.  Give the guy a little credit!

I never said that I believed the Wardens planned Ostagar. I never even claimed that Loghain thought that. I only suggested that, given Loghain's personal experiences with Wardens, that I could see why he might think that the Wardens would *want* a Blight. He does mention in the game that the Wardens aren't as 'relevant' as Cailan thinks, and in the Calling he says that the Wardens are trying to scare people into proving their relevance.

Modifié par phaonica, 31 août 2010 - 08:41 .

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't think anyone actually thought this could be a Loghain appreciation thread, without someone coming in here and arguing about what has been argued millions of times, while at the same time saying how much they fear the thread.

Part of Loghain Appreciation is the debate, I think

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't think anyone actually thought this could be a Loghain appreciation thread, without someone coming in here and arguing about what has been argued millions of times, while at the same time saying how much they fear the thread.

Part of Loghain Appreciation is the debate, I think

A debate kind of loses its significance when it's repeated over and over and over and over and over again.
Oh forgot an "over and over again".

[Killjoy Cutter]

I bought the game recently, have played about halfway through, and honestly, I have yet to see a thing that will make me hesitate to kill or execute Loghain the instant I get the chance.

[Giggles_Manically]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I bought the game recently, have played about halfway through, and honestly, I have yet to see a thing that will make me hesitate to kill or execute Loghain the instant I get the chance.

I didnt either, but listen to what Riordian has to say.
Also you dont really see what Loghain is until you spare him.

[CalJones]

Here's a quick interlude in the debate, brought to you by Aimo:

[Dawnhorn]

(Slight spoiler)

I actually thoroughly enjoyed the depth of Loghain's persona. He started to really show in "The Calling," but I fell in love with the Maric/Loghain team in "The Stolen Throne." Maric, to me, is the deepest of them all...yet, you can't really enjoy his character in the games. So, Loghain is therefore my next pick.



I enjoy flawed characters as long as they are consistent in action (RP wise). My only gripe, not that I dislike DA or Gaider for it...is the decision to choose only Loghain or Alistair. Alistair grew on me very much and I began to see Maric shine through at times. I'm still kind of confused if Fiona is the mother or not, but if she is - that sarcasm shines through as well. Losing either one is heartbreaking, but I usually choose Alistair simply because of RP consistency with my own character.

[Costin_Razvan]

No no, I would not compare Addai to Lotion. Lotion was straight up annoying. Addai is reasonable. It's just that we already had the same discussion gizillions of times that I eventually get tired of it.

That would be putting it mildly I think, but I agree.

And yea I like it. As much as I can anyways, you know I hate cross fiction. But your style is very entertaining and actually sounds smart (which is rare).

What makes you hate crossovers so much? Is it because most of them are complete fail? ( then again most stories are fail on FF.net )

[Sarah1281]

My problem with crossovers is that it's so difficult to have the world collision be at all believable. Like for a Star Wars/DA one, you'd have Luke or someone crashland on Thedas and be called upon to help end the Blight. It just feels so forced that it doesn't really matter if the rest of it is well-written because the situation is so freaking unbelievable.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Because it's like mutting a cat with a dog. I just hate it, sorry. Let each story shine on its own.

[Costin_Razvan]

There are more ways to write a fiction then a simple novelization with crossover characters you know.

Read mine for example, Sarah.

Knight: It depends on viewpoint I suppose. Though the reason I love some crossovers is due to a brilliant story I read about a Warhammer/Star Wars. Before you get your pants up about the Emperor Reviving, let me just say that what makes the story is how the author handles war. How he handles the different personalities of people and the different types of Government. ( The Imperium's alien bias is well featured in it for example ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 31 août 2010 - 09:02 .

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

Here's a quick interlude in the debate, brought to you by Aimo:

I have to laugh every time I see this, since I didn't realize at first she was holding a glass and assumed she was grabbing the package.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I don't think anyone actually thought this could be a Loghain appreciation thread, without someone coming in here and arguing about what has been argued millions of times, while at the same time saying how much they fear the thread.

Part of Loghain Appreciation is the debate, I think

A debate kind of loses its significance when it's repeated over and over and over and over and over again.
Oh forgot an "over and over again".

It's true. I've been fatigued by it, too, and I haven't been here as long as you have. Loghain discussion turns into debate really easily. It's to be expected.

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Here's a quick interlude in the debate, brought to you by Aimo:

I have to laugh every time I see this, since I didn't realize at first she was holding a glass and assumed she was grabbing the package.

I always see that, too.  
Still a good pic, though

[Sarah1281]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There are more ways to write a fiction then a simple novelization with crossover characters you know.

Read mine for example.

That was just an example. I've also seen Edward Cullen transfer to Hogwarts, the Pevensie children go through the Wardrobe into Middle Earth, Luke dies as a child so Kal-El has to destroy the empire, Revan raise Harry Potter, House raise Harry, Genesis raise Harry...pretty much everyone under the sun raising Harry. I've seen a lot of crossovers covering all sorts of subject matter and fandoms. I have yet to see one that doesn't feel contrived.

[CalJones]

LMAO I didn't even notice that. Heh.



I find it interesting that people are still hotly debating over Loghain some 10 months after the game came out. Testament to the character, for sure.

[Giggles_Manically]

I saw a crossover that had Picard land in Middle Earth.

Meet Elrond.

Then make love.



Wish I was making this up, its part of a list called five craziest crossover fanfics ever I believe.