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[Giggles_Manically]

That seems to be the default for fantasy RPGs to set them in a western european setting.



Or as Yahtzee on the Escapist said: Fantasy RPGs have never trod far from the playground that papa Tolkien set up.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Not going to happen Knight, and you know it. I want a Eastern Europe Medieval RPG, sigh...

And even if they did, it's probably going to stink of Orientalism, sigh.
And yea Eastern Europe would be awesome too.

Like seriously, the Western European medieval period has been done to death.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 décembre 2010 - 03:19 .

[Wereparrot]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

That seems to be the default for fantasy RPGs to set them in a western european setting.

Or as Yahtzee on the Escapist said: Fantasy RPGs have never trod far from the playground that papa Tolkien set up.

I don't know of any other author that has had such a huge effect on so many mediums: books, films and games all predominantly seem to follow his lead where fantasy is concerned.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


And even if they did, it's probably going to stink of Orientalism, sigh.
And yea Eastern Europe would be awesome too.

Like seriously, the Western European medieval period has been done to death.

I'd actually like to get away from the Medieval era/influence alltogether, regardless of location, and either have something based completely from scratch, or even set far into the future or some ancient past.

I'd actually like it if fantasy decided to drop the cultural influences/basis and come up with something quite different and revolutionary.

[Wereparrot]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


And even if they did, it's probably going to stink of Orientalism, sigh.
And yea Eastern Europe would be awesome too.

Like seriously, the Western European medieval period has been done to death.

I'd actually like to get away from the Medieval era/influence alltogether, regardless of location, and either have something based completely from scratch, or even set far into the future or some ancient past.

I'd actually like it if fantasy decided to drop the cultural influences/basis and come up with something quite different and revolutionary.

Mass Effect and Fallout are futuristic. Futuristic fantasy is science-fiction.

[Giggles_Manically]

I love the whole 1950's/Future mash up in Fallout.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wereparrot wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


And even if they did, it's probably going to stink of Orientalism, sigh.
And yea Eastern Europe would be awesome too.

Like seriously, the Western European medieval period has been done to death.

I'd actually like to get away from the Medieval era/influence alltogether, regardless of location, and either have something based completely from scratch, or even set far into the future or some ancient past.

I'd actually like it if fantasy decided to drop the cultural influences/basis and come up with something quite different and revolutionary.

Mass Effect and Fallout are futuristic. Futuristic fantasy is science-fiction.

No, they are sci-fi. Very different bird to fantasy. Sci-Fi generally creates worlds and situations of what could be possible based on the unknown or future possibilities still within the framework of the physical universe as we know it, but with imagination and creative speculation of possible developments in the future, amongst other things.

Fantasy pretty much deals with the impossible, myth, legend, and the fantastic. Of things that pretty much could not exist in our universe outside of the imagination.

Example of the differences:

Sci-Fi: Though we can't now, it is possible that centuries down the line, mankind will have the technology for interstellar travel, full genetic engineering, colonization of other planets, development of super materials.

Fantasy: We never have, and never will, be riding packs of griffons into the sky, cause lighting and fire to spring from our fingertips simply by chanting a spell, or command armies of corpses animated by mental powers or pacts with supernatural beings.

[Wereparrot]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


And even if they did, it's probably going to stink of Orientalism, sigh.
And yea Eastern Europe would be awesome too.

Like seriously, the Western European medieval period has been done to death.

I'd actually like to get away from the Medieval era/influence alltogether, regardless of location, and either have something based completely from scratch, or even set far into the future or some ancient past.

I'd actually like it if fantasy decided to drop the cultural influences/basis and come up with something quite different and revolutionary.

Mass Effect and Fallout are futuristic. Futuristic fantasy is science-fiction.

No, they are sci-fi. Very different bird to fantasy. Sci-Fi generally creates worlds and situations of what could be possible based on the unknown or future possibilities still within the framework of the physical universe as we know it, but with imagination and creative speculation of possible developments in the future, amongst other things.

Fantasy pretty much deals with the impossible, myth, legend, and the fantastic. Of things that pretty much could not exist in our universe outside of the imagination.

Example of the differences:

Sci-Fi: Though we can't now, it is possible that centuries down the line, mankind will have the technology for interstellar travel, full genetic engineering, colonization of other planets, development of super materials.

Fantasy: We never have, and never will, be riding packs of griffons into the sky, cause lighting and fire to spring from our fingertips simply by chanting a spell, or command armies of corpses animated by mental powers or pacts with supernatural beings.

How would you do futuristic fantasy? Setting etc?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wereparrot wrote...

How would you do futuristic fantasy? Setting etc?

Setting a different world, with more modern/futuristic concepts and factions, with the added element of the supernatural as an accepted norm of the setting. Instead of kingdoms, empires, monarchies, ect, you would have societies more complex, fluid, with ideologies more advanced. 

There have been hybrids of fantasy/sci-fi in various settings (Shadowrun comes to mind, mainly) which was actually pretty interesting and fun. But I am yet to see a purely fantasy setting set up independant of future technology/sci-fi memes. I have various ideas on how this could be done, but it would take too long to go into detail.

I suppose Star Wars has some fantasy element to it, but it was a little to black/white for my tastes. Grey is better.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think Too Human has that. But apparently it sucks.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think Too Human has that. But apparently it sucks.

http://www.escapistm...n/213-Too-Human

[Wereparrot]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Wereparrot wrote...

How would you do futuristic fantasy? Setting etc?

Setting a different world, with more modern/futuristic concepts and factions, with the added element of the supernatural as an accepted norm of the setting. Instead of kingdoms, empires, monarchies, ect, you would have societies more complex, fluid, with ideologies more advanced. 

There have been hybrids of fantasy/sci-fi in various settings (Shadowrun comes to mind, mainly) which was actually pretty interesting and fun. But I am yet to see a purely fantasy setting set up independant of future technology/sci-fi memes. I have various ideas on how this could be done, but it would take too long to go into detail.

I suppose Star Wars has some fantasy element to it, but it was a little to black/white for my tastes. Grey is better.

It's an interesting idea; I'd definitely be up for playing a game like that. It would be quite novel to face down a dragon in a fighter.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think Too Human has that. But apparently it sucks.

Never heard of it. Maybe that's why, lol!

Arcanum was another fantasy game that moved away from the Medieval Europe setting. It was a nice bit of fantasy/steam punk mixing.

I doubt though that in the near foreseeable future, you will have a fantasy setting that is not medieval Western Europe. Like you suggested, if they tried something middle eastern, it would be heavily orientalized, or still be WE in spirit. I think this is because the majority of game producers, as well as their major markets, are western. And, judging by the direction most game companies seem to go, they are heading for a dumbing down of content, so the complexity and experience of an entirely new setting would most likely be lost on them, sadly. Game companies  produce for the majority of the market, unfortunately.

Though Asia is rapidly growing and will overshadow the West economically before long, so it is not inconcievable that a game industry might also develop, and thus, more Asian-Centric games/settings would also develop. (Excluding China and Japan, which already have several games and settings relating to their own cultural histories).

I just don't see major Western companies deviating from the forumula that seems to be selling the most, so it will be up to those outside the box to pick up the banner.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wereparrot wrote...


It's an interesting idea; I'd definitely be up for playing a game like that. It would be quite novel to face down a dragon in a fighter.

Yes, something like that. Different technology, different set ups. No slaying the dragon for the king. Unicorn road-kills that ****** off the environmentalists. Anarchist mage-states, mithril bullets, ect.

[Wulfram]

Morrowind wasn't really medieval europe

[Giggles_Manically]

Morrowind was awesome.



Just all the politics, lore, religion, conflict, exploration, and of course the Talking Mudcrab merchant.

Oblivion was much closer to a western fantasy setting then Morrowind was.

[Wereparrot]

Wulfram wrote...

Morrowind wasn't really medieval europe

I never played all of it, mainly because I never knew how to blay it properly, but from what I did it seemed a bit Euro-Meditteranean?

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Not going to happen Knight, and you know it. I want a Eastern Europe Medieval RPG, sigh...

You don't think The Witcher qualifies?

I love the pseudo-medieval, I have to say.  The closer it fits the history and folklore the better for me and I don't care if it's eastern or western Europe or the Middle East.  Probably not East Asia.  I would say that I could play a game with a good story no matter what the setting, but it doesn't seem to apply to the spaceship games.

*looks around for some on-topicness*

*throws in a Loghain*

[Wulfram]

Wereparrot wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Morrowind wasn't really medieval europe

I never played all of it, mainly because I never knew how to blay it properly, but from what I did it seemed a bit Euro-Meditteranean?

It's fairly european, but morrowind itself is more roman occupied britain than anything medieval.

[Costin_Razvan]

 

You don't think The Witcher qualifies?

The Witcher, for all it's maturity and well done choices, is still a western Medieval RPG. The best ever ( in my opinion ), but it's still not eastern Medieval. ( We didn't have Knights for instance, well not as you know them ).

Anyway, I started a Let's Play chain for Witcher 2, but right now ( since game isn't out yet ) I just made a couple of videos with my choices in Witcher 1.

http://www.youtube.c...2F9E42DBC050580

[Giggles_Manically]

The Witcher is very hard to come by in Canada.

Sometimes I see it at Wal Mart, but I think I will just stick to buying part 2 when it comes out.

[Costin_Razvan]

Want a save for it Giggles? Hard difficulty and best in game gear ( Import will also take your gear, or well at least some of it, and your gold ).

You can get the game off steam btw.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 décembre 2010 - 09:21 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Want a save for it Giggles? Hard difficulty and best in game gear ( Import will also take your gear, or well at least some of it, and your gold ).

You can get the game off steam btw.

Steam hates me right now, and I cant get it to work.
Besides I am not entirely sure I will get Witcher 2.

I buy very few games in a year and next year is being taken up by The Old Republic and Dragon Age 2.

[inclemency]

I downloaded The Witcher from GamersGate two weeks ago or so, Giggles. Getting it in canada is difficult, even in downloads, but the GamersGate site worked great.

Modifié par inclemency, 04 décembre 2010 - 10:06 .

[Esbatty]

This thread is full of nerds.







And thus I bring LEGO Loghain and Ser Cautherine!