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[Zjarcal]

ROFL!!

I actually read one of those Alistair/Loghain smut things. It was... disturbing to say the least. Definitely didn't leave anything to the imagination.

EDIT: Oooh, I bet Alistair does find out why Loghain is the DEEPEST character in DA:O in those fics. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 08 décembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

CalJones wrote...

"Have....have you ever licked a lamppost in winter?" Alistair slurred.
"Is that some Orlesian perversion?" Loghain retorted.
There was a frantic rustling as Alistair ducked beneath the sheets, before a muffled voice emerged from below. "That's a very big lamppost!"
"Maker's breath, what are you..." Loghain's eyes widened as the true meaning of Alistair's comment became apparent..."

I better stop there before I get banned, I think.

Well, you can always post it to kink meme or somewhere similar and just provide link.

[CalJones]

Link please, Zjarcal!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Oops, page devoid of Loghain, must be remedied.



Here's ol grumpy getting ready to get medieval on the archdemon:







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Sadly, the happiest ending, otherwise, he's either executed in disgrace, or gets to look forward to a few more years of life before going on his calling.



Does anyone want to speculate if, you had the option to exile him at the Landsmeet, where he would go and what he would do?

[Wulfram]

I'm sure Nevarra would have uses for a general with a dislike for Orlais.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm sure Nevarra would have uses for a general with a dislike for Orlais.

Yeah that is a possibility. I've heard people discussing that an alliance with nevara would be great for Ferelden security regarding Orlais. Even if Loghain is exiled and no longer has any authority, he's still loyal enough that he wouldn't stop trying to find ways to serve Ferelden. He's not a politician, but I'd imagine he'd work to try and foster a working relationship if the opportunity was there.

However, how the nevarrans would re-act to him is a different story. He would technically be an exiled and disgraced general and the fact he ended up starting a civil war would not rack up many cool points. Politics what they are, I'm sure the nevarrans would probably take him on for his skills anyway, though they might keep him on a tight leash for a while.

[Zjarcal]

CalJones wrote...

Link please, Zjarcal!

I actually had to dig in very far into the Alistair thread to find them.

http://social.biowar...199/352#4912344

[Addai]

Ugh... this again. *joins KoP and Costin at the bar*

[Zjarcal]

Hey, I wasn't the one who started it and I only provided a link. :innocent:

[DragonRacer13]

(in best Carl impression) Oy... okay... slash fic... I'm, uh... I'm gonna go join Costin, KoP, and Addai at the bar.

Bar wench! Need a rum and cola over here, stat! There are memories and mental images that need erasing, please.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:01 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

What am I doing at a bar? I don't drink.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Sarah1281]

Waitingn for the Loghain thread to get back to normal, presumably. And possibly serving as designated driver.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 09 décembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What am I doing at a bar? I don't drink.

You get the Coke and lime.

Are you sure Loghain slash wouldn't drive you to drink?

[Ollymandias]

the happiest ending, otherwise, he's either executed in disgrace, or gets to look forward to a few more years of life before going on his calling.

Well, more or less thirty years of life, no? I don't know how old he is exactly, but I'm guessing he's in his early fifties or something like that. Add thirty years to that, and it's a very good innings.



Leaving him alive with the Wardens isn't a bad life for him. At the very least, he's a renowned hero who helped out in saving Ferelden twice, and that reputation alone will probably attract a good number of new Warden recruits.



Bah... perhaps I'm just trying to tell myself that. I felt pretty rotten after I pimped him out to Morrigan for her ritual. Most awkward conversation in the game.

[CalJones]

Unfortunately the taint doesn't work that way. I don't know where the relevant thread is but the older you are when you undertake the joining, the less time you get. Someone around 20 would get about 30 years (give or take, as Alistair says) but Loghain is about 53. He might make 60 if he's lucky. Plus, if you've seen Loghain's Awakening cameo, he gets posted to Orlais, so it's not great, really. He does seem more relaxed in Awakening, granted (the pressure is off him, so to speak) but I still think the Redeemer ending is the best story arc for him. He gets to redeem himself, the people of Fereldan remember him more as a hero than as someone who left the king to die, and he doesn't have to end up in a country he despises. I think it works out, all things considered.

[Ollymandias]

Unfortunately the taint doesn't work that way. I don't know where the relevant thread is but the older you are when you undertake the joining, the less time you get. Someone around 20 would get about 30 years (give or take, as Alistair says) but Loghain is about 53. He might make 60 if he's lucky

Maybe my Warden could give him some of the potion creepy old Avernus made? As a sorry-for-not-letting-you-glorious-redemption present?



That's pretty weird about the Calling happening at a certain age rather than after a certain amount of time post-Joining. I'd be interested in reading the thread discussing it to see what the justification for that is.



Haven't played Awakening yet, but looking forward to it. Loghain gets sent to Orlais? Whose idea was that?? Why does Anora let that happen if she's Queen? If I was her, I'd look out for my poor old dad and not send him to go to work in a place he hates. As Warden Commander, my character wouldn't be down with it either, as it's a disaster waiting to happen for international relations. What if he ever gets within shouting distance of the Orlesian Empress? I can imagine him pointing and shouting at her that she's a scheming hussy, and that Cailan was Anora's husband and she should have left well alone.

[nos_astra]

Ollymandias wrote...
That's pretty weird about the Calling happening at a certain age rather than after a certain amount of time post-Joining. I'd be interested in reading the thread discussing it to see what the justification for that is.

The taint accelerates your ... um ... aging. A young body can keep it in check for longer than an older body.
It also affects people differently. Duncan's Calling hits at age 38, only 20 years after his Joining at age 18.

Ollymandias wrote...
Haven't played Awakening yet, but looking forward to it. Loghain gets sent to Orlais? Whose idea was that?? Why does Anora let that happen if she's Queen?

The Grey Wardens couldn't care less about what Queen Anora wants.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:50 .

[Esbatty]

I'd love to know what Loghain was up to in Orlais. I bet they sent him there to get him to share his tactical genius with the other Wardens, that and maybe temporarily serve as Riordan's replacement?

[nos_astra]

I thought he was a recruiter? Outside of a Blight there not much use for a tactical genius.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 décembre 2010 - 12:52 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

klarabella wrote...

I thought he was a recruiter? Outside of a Blight there not much use for a tactical genius.

Sure there is. Training and sharing his knowledge, so that future Wardens fighting future Blights/darkspawn invasions can benefit. Just because the Blight ends doesn't mean the Wardens stop there. They still have to train, recruit, and stay vigilant.

The origins epilogue has him recruiting in ferelden, however, this gets blown out the water if you play Awakening. I doubt he'd be much good at recruiting in Orlais, so his getting sent off probably has some sort of political purpose.

Like, the First Warden wanting to get a potentially problematic individual out of the way as he pursues some sort of political agenda in Ferelden.

[alschemid]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What am I doing at a bar? I don't drink.

Sometimes I wish I did.<_<

Loghain has a bad feeling about this:


Wasn't he sent to Orlais to not interfere in Ferelden's politics any more? Even with what happened at the Landsmeet, and him losing his titles, I suppose he still has some influence on the army left and some nobles, and he is still a hero.

Modifié par alschemid, 09 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[alschemid]

oops... double post:blush:

Modifié par alschemid, 09 décembre 2010 - 02:29 .

[nos_astra]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I thought he was a recruiter? Outside of a Blight there not much use for a tactical genius.

Sure there is. Training and sharing his knowledge, so that future Wardens fighting future Blights/darkspawn invasions can benefit. Just because the Blight ends doesn't mean the Wardens stop there. They still have to train, recruit, and stay vigilant.

*shrug* There won't be another Blight during his lifetime or the lifetime of his recruits. Whatever he might teach them is going to blur very quickly. He could write a book, though. Other than that, there's little use for his supposed genius.

And I thought the First Warden is interested in political power in general, Ferelden is a good start as it is screwed up by a Blight and the Wardens have onjce again hero status, but I doubt he is especially interested in Ferelden.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 décembre 2010 - 02:44 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

klarabella wrote...

*shrug* There won't be another Blight during his lifetime or the lifetime of his recruits. Whatever he might teach them is going to blur very quickly. He could write a book, though. Other than that, there's little use for his assumed genius.

There's no guarantee that another Blight might come charging in within a generation. Of course, he would write down what he knows, and his pupils can make what they will of it, developing it further. Wardens think long term, which means even after a Blight ends, they are thinking towards the next one. The Wardens probably keep a vast library of knowledge to train and aid themselves for future Blights. Like it is said a few times, they remain vigilant. Which means preparing for the next Blight, no matter how far into the future it is.

Loghain's knowledge and skill would be of great value, added to the pool of knowledge the wardens have collected since the First Blight. And, Blights aside, Loghain's skills would be very useful for many other things.

And I thought the First Warden is interested in political power in general, Ferelden is a good start as it is screwed up by a Blight and the Wardens have onjce again hero status, but I doubt he is especially interested in Ferelden.

Ferelden itself? No, but the implications of the experiment in Amaranthine? Oh, yes. Amaranthine is a very important laboratory for the First Warden's ambitions, Success or failure there could have a major impact on future plans, and thus, the less antagonistic elements (such as Loghain, potentially) of increasing political power and influence, the better.

Perhaps the First Warden even has further ambitions, and as KoP once suggested, might have stronger ties/influence with orlais, thus another possible interest in Ferelden. perhaps he is even currying influence and favor with the wealthy Orlesians by trying to sneak in Orlesian wardens to run the internal affairs of one of Ferelden's chief territories.

The full extent of the First warden total plans are open for speculation, since we know nothing beyond an increased interest in political influence and power.

[Sarah1281]

klarabella wrote...



The Grey Wardens couldn't care less about what Queen Anora wants.

No? Queen Anora gives Amaranthine to the GWs as a reward for stopping the Blight but since the GWs having land like that has never been done before you would think that the First Warden would be far more interested in the GWs having Amaranthine and setting a precedent than Anora would be in giving an Arling to them. I think Anora must quietly agree that she needs her father out of her way politically because it's not like she has no leverage to use against them.