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[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Damn....

Now I am tempted to recreate him in Dragon Age and make a Augustus Cousland (or Aeducan).
Still have stuff to do in Oblivion though.

I actually thought about it. Screw Anora and especially Alistair. Ferelden needs an Augustus type figure.

But I am getting bored with DA:O. It's lack of real political intrigue makes playing an Augustus almost impossible.

[Giggles_Manically]

Hopefully Dragon Age 2 allows for some political interplay.



Apparently the Mount and Blade games do, but I never really played them.

[KnightofPhoenix]

No game really does it unfortunately. And in general, Bioware fails to deliver in that regard (and vis a vis warfare), with the possible exception of Orzammar.

[Giggles_Manically]

I REALLY wish there was the option to crown yourself King/Queen as a DN.



Now that would have been so awesome, and Branka did hint at you going for the crown yourself. I can imagine you would have more claim to the throne if you walked back with a Paragon Crown and the location of the Anvil of Void than anybody else.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I REALLY wish there was the option to crown yourself King/Queen as a DN.

Now that would have been so awesome, and Branka did hint at you going for the crown yourself. I can imagine you would have more claim to the throne if you walked back with a Paragon Crown and the location of the Anvil of Void than anybody else.

Essentially doing this in the Assembly?



Awesome.

[Giggles_Manically]

Pretty much.



Doing the same thing in the Landsmeet should have been possible.

[KnightofPhoenix]

A Cousland should have been able to.

Eh, let's hope DA2 is really about a rise to power and not some typical fantasy one man army bs.

[Giggles_Manically]

What KoP, you dont want to fight like a SPARTAN!!!!!!!

That is madness!!!!!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What KoP, you dont want to fight like a SPARTAN!!!!!!!
That is madness!!!!!

I actualy don't mind fighting like a real Spartan in Phalanx formation with actual Spartan weapons and tactics.

But yea, that marketing should make anyone with even a marginal historical knowledge facepalm hard. Fight like a Spartan in a medieval fantasy setting?

Ugh.

[Giggles_Manically]

300 made me facepalm.



Me: Cool I get to see a real Phalanx in action!

Spartans: Everybody! Pop Steroids!

300 starts to play.

Me: Well this sucks.



I really enjoyed Fallout 3 more than Dragon Age or Mass Effect to be honest. I felt like I got to make real choices and see the effects they had.

Bioware games are getting to be very railroaded.



Like how Shepard got to be all through ME2.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ugh, I am really unenthusiastic about all games tbh. There is no game I am really looking forward to.

[Giggles_Manically]

I am looking forward to TES V to be honest.



But then again I love how much lore and exploration there is in The Elder Scrolls over other games.

Its simply fun to say :"SCREW IT" and then proceed to go off and see what is over the next hill.



Best Political game I ever played though was a house version in my dorm of Settlers of Catan with the Knights and Cities expac. Though that was a board game, it was still very fun.

[Costin_Razvan]

300 made me facepalm.







Me: Cool I get to see a real Phalanx in action!



Spartans: Everybody! Pop Steroids!



300 starts to play.



Me: Well this sucks.

300 actually did show you a Phalanx in action for some parts of the movie.



Obviously it was not so in most of the fighting but still.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Best political game I've played is Risk, with my family. While it's for the most part dice and luck, I managed to trick my family into ignoring me (I was the weakest) and then betrayed them all one by one. That was 5 years ago and till this day, they are very reluctant to play with me haha

Probably why I sympathize with Bhelen. There is a certain pleasure in backstabbing siblings.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:02 .

[Giggles_Manically]

My issue with 300 is that Greeks were strong and nearly unstoppable while fighting as a cohesive and concentrated unit (phalanx).

While in 300 all the Spartans run around in the underpants fighting the Persians one on one.
Why were they not wearing armor?

A real Spartan Hoplite looked like this:


I get that is based on a Graphic Novel, but on a historical footing 300 is just a 2 hour steroid ad.
That being said I enjoyed the score very much.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Let's not even start talking on how the immortals are portrayed (wtf?), with Persian ogres and monsters and whatever else. Also, the Spartans were known for "boy love" and yet in the movie, they criticize the Athenians for it. Yea, right.

In general, 300 was a stupid movie.

[Giggles_Manically]

Also Xerses looked nothing like he did in that movie.



Persians did not run around half naked, especially the king.

Murals and statues of the time almost all show him with a beard.



Plus the part where Spartans practiced eugenics was stupid as hell. People back then did not have nearly enough people to toss away infants like that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also Xerses looked nothing like he did in that movie.

Persians did not run around half naked, especially the king.
Murals and statues of the time almost all show him with a beard.

Plus the part where Spartans practiced eugenics was stupid as hell. People back then did not have nearly enough people to toss away infants like that.

Persian kings looked Babylonian in style and they were obviously not dressed like half naked effiminate masochists.

All in all, I think Alexander was a better movie.

[Giggles_Manically]

That was a LONG movie though.



The battle scenes were very well done though.



Another thing that I laugh at is how in 300 they say that the Persians will "enslave them" and make it out to be such a bad thing. When many greek states practised slavery and the Spartans use slaves called the Helots, at Thermopylae.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Another thing that I laugh at is how in 300 they say that the Persians will "enslave them" and make it out to be such a bad thing. When many greek states practised slavery and the Spartans use slaves called the Helots, at Thermopylae.

I am sorry, but it just reeks of American propaganda / Hollywood bs.

To potray the Spartans as the fighters for freedom, while the Persians are the enemies of freedom. Yea, because the Spartan system that is based on the exploitation, occupation, oppression and even encouraged murder of Helots (kryptea) is such a free society. Just bs.

Add the international context of the time (Iran) and yea, you can understand why the Iranians were extremily pissed off. I don't like the political direction of their country that much and I felt for them.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:22 .

[Costin_Razvan]

What I liked about 300 was the sheer brutality of the battles. One of the most realistic aspect I ever saw in a movie about war. Yes I know they did not fight like that in most of the real battle but when they had been outflanked and the pesian archers where firing on them then...then well

They most likely wouldn't have fought that differently in their last stand. They did after all last for hours without a Phalanx formation.

The armor thing is actually a reference to Spartan training. When they were taken in for training they were a given a single piece of cloth to wear: No undergarments or anything, and no replacement for it either until they finished training. So for the spartans to actually walk around naked in their city or towards a battlefield wouldn't be surprising.

Of course they did have armor. But I rather view 300 as a tribute towards the Spartans then a historical movie. Cause in reality they were even MORE badass ( pardon then term ) then in the movie. Quite a few of the one-liners ( Persians, come and get them. This is where they die. We shall fight in shade etc. ) are actually taken from history.

Yes I know there is the USUAL American freedom BS in the movie, but shrug. I have seen to many movies with that in to be bothered about it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 26 décembre 2010 - 04:42 .

[Giggles_Manically]

300 can be best enjoyed when not viewed from a historical perspective.



I think the same holds to almost any movie really, if its a true to life account of history than its a documentary.

[alschemid]

Movies, as any other piece of art, give the author's point of view on something, it is always biased, even documentaries suffer from it. And in any hollywood movie you have their propaganda like it or not.



But I enjoyed 300... all those exposed male flesh fighting savagely... I just mute the TV when I'm tired of hearing their BS.

[mousestalker]

Addai67 wrote...

Doubt we'll see future-Loghain DLC, since many if not most players execute him. But I would love a young Loghain/Maric DLC. Preferably with Night Elves!

Seconded!

[Persephone]

So, to bring this thread back on topic:

Someone told me that she really did not like how Loghain was ret-conned once the game was out. By David Gaider in particular.  That we clearly see him plotting something sinister and that you just don't do the things he did as compared to the movement of the past few months where people, many even who executed him on principle, came around to sparing him and realizing....HEY, there's MUCH more to this story/this character.

Now, do you agree that he has been ret-conned? Have established facts by the game truly been falsified to soften people's outlook? Personally, I resent that accusation. But what are your views on the matter?