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[MortalEngines]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Reminds me of that riddle about hunger in the Sacred Ashes quest. "No man has seen it, but all men know it. Lighter than air, sharper than any sword. Can fell the strongest army."

That reminds me of Hannibal Barca.
That guy ran cirles around the romans.

To bad the romans had way more guys then he did.

But Hannibal had Elephants! And elephants were like, the griffons of the classical world!

I mean, who needs legions of well trained troops when you can just ride into battle on monster pachyderms and STOMP them into goo!

Are you talking about this these Elephants? 



Yeah there pretty badass....

But to get back on topic about Loghain...

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

No, the elephants in question were way bigger. And the breathed fire! and could fly!



Loghain needs his own elephant. Otherwise, I wouldn't keep handily kicking his ass at Landsmeet.

[MortalEngines]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

No, the elephants in question were way bigger. And the breathed fire! and could fly!

Loghain needs his own elephant. Otherwise, I wouldn't keep handily kicking his ass at Landsmeet.

That was an actual painting depicting Hannibal and his elephants... But yeah, Loghain definitely would of won the landsmeet if he had some elephants .

[Giggles_Manically]

Elephants are more of a hinderance than people know.

Namely if the spook then you are screwed if they turn the other way.

Also the romans had a lot of tricks after a while to beat them.



Read about the Battle of Zama if you want to see more.



Also if someone suggested the use of Elephants to Loghain he would laugh and call it a delusion to think of using them.



Crap now I have Prince Loghain, a rip of Prince Ali from Alladin in my head.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...


Also if someone suggested the use of Elephants to Loghain he would laugh and call it a delusion to think of using them.

Which is why he ends up defeated, and more often than not, dead.

Elephants. Remeber that. Could totally own landsmeet.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

The only time I played and let Loghain live (IIRC Alistair was executed), I told Morrigan to **** off and had Loghain chop the head off the Archdemon.

[KnightofPhoenix]

As I recall, most if not all of Hannibal's elephants died on the way and he didn't get to use them in Italy. Probably why he didn't win eh?

Loghain question. Do you think he designed or chose Gwaren's wyvern symbol? Or was it always there? From my understanding, Gwaren was pretty insignificant until recently, so a wyvern looks too cool for it. So maybe Loghain was the one who came up with it. Loghain reminds me more of a wolf than a wyvern though.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As I recall, most if not all of Hannibal's elephants died on the way and he didn't get to use them in Italy. Probably why he didn't win eh?
Loghain question. Do you think he designed or chose Gwaren's wyvern symbol? Or was it always there? From my understanding, Gwaren was pretty insignificant until recently, so a wyvern looks too cool for it. So maybe Loghain was the one who came up with it. Loghain reminds me more of a wolf than a wyvern though.

Well, eons ago, it was a major trade port for the dwarves,before the darkspawn, if I remember correctly. Maybe something left over from the dwarven days. Though it was insignifigant in the larger scheme of things, it was still a teyrnyr. So a wyvern probably came before.

However, a purple wyvern is just so awesome.

Edit to add: yeah, the elephants died, because the ****** tried to take them through the Alps. Duh. Hello? Elephants like HOT climates. Like Napoleon's army, they don't dig the cold much.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 01 septembre 2010 - 01:07 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

The thing about the Wyvern is that it seems kind of unique when compared to the other symbols. Could it be something from the Tevinter era? Was Gwaren known to be a wyvern's nest? I don't know. I still think Loghain's best symbol would have been a wolf. In fact, if we play a game of "character reminds you of what animal", I would say wolf for Loghain (cat for Morrigan ).

RE Hannibal. The way he crossed the Alps and the Rhone river was pretty darn impressive though. Shows you how the Carthaginians were master engineers. Also, his family name "Barca" means lighting in Punic (similar to the Arabic word Barc, both being Semitic languages), which I think is appropriate.

[phaonica]

Maybe the wyvern has something to do with the dragon that "helped" them win at River Dane?

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...

Maybe the wyvern has something to do with the dragon that "helped" them win at River Dane?

Huh, excellent point, didn't think of that. Afterall, Loghain did compare Ferelden to dragons and maybe he adopted it as his symbol.
BTW, I think that dragon was "Andraste" that we could kill. Not sure Loghain would be happy about that lol

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The thing about the Wyvern is that it seems kind of unique when compared to the other symbols. Could it be something from the Tevinter era? Was Gwaren known to be a wyvern's nest? I don't know. I still think Loghain's best symbol would have been a wolf. In fact, if we play a game of "character reminds you of what animal", I would say wolf for Loghain (cat for Morrigan
RE Hannibal. The way he crossed the Alps and the Rhone river was pretty darn impressive though. Shows you how the Carthaginians were master engineers. Also, his family name "Barca" means lighting in Punic (similar to the Arabic word Barc, both being Semitic languages), which I think is appropriate.

Hannibal still should have at least had some slaves knit sweaters for the elephants. I mean, really! Planning!

I think that dragon that Loghain and Rowan saw was indeed "Andraste" who gave the age it's name, as well as laid waste to large parts of the Orlesian countryside.

Which is why I find killing it a major dilema. On one hand, she is a symbol of Ferelden's fight and independance against Orlais. Plus, she can eat pilgrims that come to see the ashes. And she is a lovely member of a highly endangered species.

On the other hand, all that damned loot plus dragon scales is just too damned awesome to pass up....

I did, in one playthrough, save the dragon until after Landsmeet where I spared Loghain, and took him along to kill the dragon. He seemed pretty apathetic about the whople thing, so who knows.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I know, I feel bad about the dragon for this (in addition to murdering its children). But the potential economic and political benefits Ferelden and my PC would get from such an important pilgrimage site was too much to pass up.

Alternatively, the River Dane dragon could be the one that came out of nowhere in Awakening.

[phaonica]

I want to think that dragon was Flemeth. So that's what I'm going to do.

edit: the river dane dragon, that is.

Modifié par phaonica, 01 septembre 2010 - 01:49 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Flemeth is very busy it seems.

Pity I always whack her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Pity whacking her seemingly makes no difference as Flemeth will appear in DA2 and I don't think it's only in the very beginning.

Which reminds me. Why wasn't there some special dialogue between Loghain and Flemeth, should we go there with him? Unless she changed her form, Loghain should have recognised her. I mean, how many old women do you meet in the kocari wilds?

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Pity whacking her seemingly makes no difference as Flemeth will appear in DA2 and I don't think it's only in the very beginning.
Which reminds me. Why wasn't there some special dialogue between Loghain and Flemeth, should we go there with him? Unless she changed her form, Loghain should have recognised her. I mean, how many old women do you meet in the kocari wilds?

I thought she dissappeared if you call the Landsmeet?

[KnightofPhoenix]

She did? I never tried it, but I could almost swear my bro had Loghain when he fought Flemeth. Maybe I am mistaken.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

She did? I never tried it, but I could almost swear my bro had Loghain when he fought Flemeth. Maybe I am mistaken.

I save it unitl right before I call it, after I do RTO last.
Unless I am sparing Loghain, no one but he can tell Wynne to STFU quite like him.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Pity whacking her seemingly makes no difference as Flemeth will appear in DA2 and I don't think it's only in the very beginning.
Which reminds me. Why wasn't there some special dialogue between Loghain and Flemeth, should we go there with him? Unless she changed her form, Loghain should have recognised her. I mean, how many old women do you meet in the kocari wilds?

The body Flemeth occupied during the Stolen Throne is likely different than the one she had in the game. She was an old crone then, and given the 30 year gap, it's likely that her daughter at the time eventually became her new host.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Skadi. Yea probably.

But it seems like Flemeth could change bodies at will, hence her new look in DA2, whose first appearance there is at the exact same time as we meet her in Origins. Mary Kirby confirmed that I think.

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Here's a quick interlude in the debate, brought to you by Aimo:

I have to laugh every time I see this, since I didn't realize at first she was holding a glass and assumed she was grabbing the package.

I always see that, too.  
Still a good pic, though

I think it's aimo doing a Rohrschach test for who has a dirty mind.  You and I obviously... LOL

Glad I'm not the only one. I thought it was just because I was tired. And bah. I hate that work and school get in the way of forum posting.

Also, I did a google image search of Loghain to make this relevant, and yeah, KoP's sig and profile pic showed up. Imagine that!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
Also, I did a google image search of Loghain to make this relevant, and yeah, KoP's sig and profile pic showed up. Imagine that!

Ha! Yea I came accross that. It was my old sig, where I had posted my Loghain tribute video link.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
Also, I did a google image search of Loghain to make this relevant, and yeah, KoP's sig and profile pic showed up. Imagine that!

Ha! Yea I came accross that. It was my old sig, where I had posted my Loghain tribute video link.

I love that video. I only wish you'd left in the part where Loghain called Eamon old and fat. Heh.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
Also, I did a google image search of Loghain to make this relevant, and yeah, KoP's sig and profile pic showed up. Imagine that!

Ha! Yea I came accross that. It was my old sig, where I had posted my Loghain tribute video link.

I love that video. I only wish you'd left in the part where Loghain called Eamon old and fat. Heh.

Lol, as much as I love that part, it wouldn't have been dramatic and would have felt out of place.