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[Addai]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

In the business world, secretaries are called administrative assistents. Administrators are the leaders: the deans of colleges, CEO's of companies, the President of the United States. Secretaries just do the supporting paperwork.

Tell my CEO that he's the administrator of the company and see how well it goes over.  LOL

But, to paraphrase Alistair, Loghain and Anora think they're the only ones who can run the country.  KoP wouldn't be the fanboy he is if he didn't agree with them.

A Chief Executive Officer (CEO) or Chief Executive is the highest-ranking corporate officer (executive) or administrator in charge of total management of an organization. An individual appointed as CEO of a corporation, company, organization, or agency reports to the board of directors.

"Total" being the operative word there.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
But, to paraphrase Alistair, Loghain and Anora think they're the only ones who can run the country.  KoP wouldn't be the fanboy he is if he didn't agree with them.

Loghain, no. I have said countless times that I do not consider him to be a good leader, administrator and politician. Anora, she definately can run the country and secure its future. Her epilogue speaks for itself.

Now if you are going to start calling others "fanboys", I suggest we end the discussion now.  

You're making tribute videos, salroka.  Own it and love it. 

And Alistair can run the country alone, too, with far fewer advantages than she had.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
Eamon also predicted, quite accurately, that Cailan's death would plunge Ferelden into chaos.   He understood who was really ruling and who was chasing with the paperwork.  Both are important, but that Anora was "controlling" things is hardly the case.

Yes, because the reason why the civil war happened, is only because Cailan died. The exact same would have happened if Cailan fell off his horse and brock his neck. Or died drowning. Yes, it has nothing to do with the complex political situation of the time and the circumstances of his death. No. It's simply because  the brilliant leader Cailan died.

Please. Cailan was a figurehead, backed by the legacy of his father and of his line. That's the only thing that kept him on the throne and kept Ferelden happy. It had nothing to do with Cailan being something more intelligent than a child.   

[Giggles_Manically]

Wow people think that Cailan is a leader?



The second he said "GLORIOUS/GLORY!" and shook his head like a shampoo comercial was rolling I knew he was not a leader (also I may have facepalmed). The guy makes a nice figurehead but has his head in the clouds.



Alistair flat out says "Everyone says that Anora was the one really running things around here"

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
You're making tribute videos, salroka.  Own it and love it. 

And Alistair can run the country alone, too, with far fewer advantages than she had.

Because making a tribute vidceo makes one a "fanboy"?
There is a difference between a fan and a "fanboy", a word that is often used in a derogatory fashion, especially when thrown in the middle of a discussion.

Alistair's epilogue is far less impressive to me. Adequate is the only thing I would say about it (and that's when hardened). But I don't see how this is relevent to the discussion, he was not mentionned.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow people think that Cailan is a leader?

Is his genius not apparent to you? Aren't you attracted by his charisma and intelligence? By his very eloquent choice of words? By what people, including his own damn brother, talk about him?

I mean, the guy can't be bothered by strategies in the middle of a war, what better cooler leader do you want?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 septembre 2010 - 02:36 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow people think that Cailan is a leader?

Is his genius not apparent to you? Aren't you attracted by his charisma and intelligence? By his very eloquent choice of words? By what people, including his own damn brother, talks about him?

I mean, the guy can't be bothered to be bored by strategies in the middle of a war, what better leader do you want?

Hmmm..
Much Sarcasm I sense in KnightofPhoenix.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

"Total" being the operative word there.

Why does the use of the word 'total' mean that he's not an administrator? He's just the number one administrator.

Addai67 wrote...

Eamon also predicted, quite accurately, that Cailan's death would plunge Ferelden into chaos. He understood who was really ruling and who was chasing with the paperwork. Both are important, but that Anora was "controlling" things is hardly the case.

You mean here?

Cailan, I beseech you, as your uncle, not to join the Grey Wardens on the Field. You cannot afford to take this risk. Ferelden cannot afford it. Let me remind you again that you do not have an heir. Your death--and it pains me even to think of it--would plunge Ferelden into chaos.

Note the sentence right before the part about plunging Ferelden into chaos. Cailan's death would be a problem because he had no heir. If he'd gotten Anora pregnant before dying than it really wouldn't have caused many problems had he wanted to go off and get himself killed because Anora or someone else could be the baby's regent and there would still be a clear line of succession.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow people think that Cailan is a leader?

Is his genius not apparent to you? Aren't you attracted by his charisma and intelligence? By his very eloquent choice of words? By what people, including his own damn brother, talk about him?

I mean, the guy can't be bothered by strategies in the middle of a war, what better cooler leader do you want?

This calls for:

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistair's epilogue is far less impressive to me.

Why am I not surprised.

It's relevant because he manages the throne as well as Anora does (albeit with different strengths and weaknesses) without needing Anora to tell him how to lace his boots.  Cailan was born to rule and we have no idea what sort of king he would have made in the long run.  The fact that he was conducting diplomacy with Orlais is something you'll no doubt continue to assert was a negative, but I read it as there was more to hm than we were shown in Ostagar where we're given obvious caricatures of both him and Loghain.  The difference being that we are able to get a more complete and complex picture of Loghain later, something we never get of Cailan.

[KnightofPhoenix]

To add on what Sarah said. Every monarchy, no matter how idiotic the king is, will plunge into chaos if there is no heir to the throne. We have seen Orzammar nearly plunge into chaos because of the very crucial question of succcession.

Better question is. If Cailan was supposedely this brilliant leader who knew that only he kept Ferelden together....why did he charge into the battle like an idiot, while not only Ferelden's greatest general told him not, but also his uncle practically begging him not to. But no, Cailan is so brilliant that he thought he could take on a blight with a dozen grey wardens.

How can anyone say that Cailan was a good leader while keeping a straight face, I have no idea.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Wow people think that Cailan is a leader?

Is his genius not apparent to you? Aren't you attracted by his charisma and intelligence? By his very eloquent choice of words? By what people, including his own damn brother, talk about him?

I mean, the guy can't be bothered by strategies in the middle of a war, what better cooler leader do you want?

Funny, I get to Ostagar with a Dalish character, for instance, determined to hate Cailan.  And yet in one brief conversation he manages to be frustratingly reasonable and diplomatic.  That is what the Theirins are good at- charm, unifying, and inspiring.  There is more to being a king than just pushing paper and glaring at people.

But, never mind.  You're on a roll now.  Somehow I picture you and Loghain in a room with cigars throwing darts at pictures of Cailan, and it amuses me no end.  LOL

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Alistair's epilogue is far less impressive to me.

Why am I not surprised.

Yes, because I am a fanboy. Right Addai? You have it all figured out!

It has nothing to do with me objectively analysing and comparing the two epilogues and two characters.  It has nothing to do with what my studies deem to be the better ruler.
No, it's because I am a fanboy.

Addai67 wrote...
It's relevant because he manages the throne as well as Anora does (albeit with different strengths and weaknesses) without needing Anora to tell him how to lace his boots.  Cailan was born to rule and we have no idea what sort of king he would have made in the long run. 

Leap in logic. How Alistair managing = Cailan managing?
Even unhardened Alistair who does nothing at all except sit on the throne can manage to keep the status quo. I see no great accomplishement in that, worthy of me calling him a great leader.
It's like saying that Louix XV and Louix XIV are equal leaders, because they both managed the throne.   

"Born to rule"? Ha, sure. Only because he was lucky to be the son of a king.
 
I can see from his idiocy that he would have made a very horrible one. If Anora wasn't there to do the work for him, of course. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
Funny, I get to Ostagar with a Dalish character, for instance, determined to hate Cailan.  And yet in one brief conversation he manages to be frustratingly reasonable and diplomatic.  That is what the Theirins are good at- charm, unifying, and inspiring.  There is more to being a king than just pushing paper and glaring at people.

Oh yes. I was bedazzled by his charm.
Not to mention how reasonable he is. My goodness. Because there is nothing more reasonable than actually being sad that there is no archdemon in sight, and hating the fact that wars actually need gasp! actual thinking and strategies. 

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...
Funny, I get to Ostagar with a Dalish character, for instance, determined to hate Cailan.  And yet in one brief conversation he manages to be frustratingly reasonable and diplomatic.  That is what the Theirins are good at- charm, unifying, and inspiring.  There is more to being a king than just pushing paper and glaring at people.

But, never mind.  You're on a roll now.  Somehow I picture you and Loghain in a room with cigars throwing darts at pictures of Cailan, and it amuses me no end.  LOL

What does his charm have to do with anything? Charm doesn't mean anything if you refuse to listen to the people advising you. He may make a good politician but it hardly makes him a good leader. Maric understood that, but Cailan never did.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Funny, I get to Ostagar with a Dalish character, for instance, determined to hate Cailan.  And yet in one brief conversation he manages to be frustratingly reasonable and diplomatic.  That is what the Theirins are good at- charm, unifying, and inspiring.  There is more to being a king than just pushing paper and glaring at people.

Oh yes. I was bedazzled by his charm.
Not to mention how reasonable he is. My goodness. Because there is nothing more reasonable than actually being sad that there is no archdemon in sight, and hating the fact that wars actually need gasp! actual thinking and strategies. 

You mean "hoping for a battle like in the tales" isn't good strategy? Shoot.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
You mean "hoping for a battle like in the tales" isn't good strategy? Shoot.

I know right. Such a shame.

Charm, if not accompanied by intelligence, is useless. I can name you several kings / "leaders" who had ample of charm and failed miserably at being good leaders.

[Zjarcal]

Distraction Loghain!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:20 .

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
You mean "hoping for a battle like in the tales" isn't good strategy? Shoot.

I know right. Such a shame.

Charm, if not accompanied by intelligence, is useless. I can name you several kings / "leaders" who had ample of charm and failed miserably at being good leaders.

In all seriousness, on my very first playthrough I thought exactly what Sarah posted. This guy's leading the charge and talking about the battle bores him? Aw, hell.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
In all seriousness, on my very first playthrough I thought exactly what Sarah posted. This guy's leading the charge and talking about the battle bores him? Aw, hell.

Honestly, I was actually giggling the first time. I was like "Ah, great. Another one of those low iq, immature brats that somehow got their asses on a throne. Even Tolkien tried harder than this". 
Of course, everything went well after he died, and I was able to retake the world seriously. 

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
In all seriousness, on my very first playthrough I thought exactly what Sarah posted. This guy's leading the charge and talking about the battle bores him? Aw, hell.

Honestly, I was actually giggling the first time. I was like "Ah, great. Another one of those low iq, immature brats that somehow got their asses on a throne. Even Tolkien tried harder than this". 
Of course, everything went well after he died, and I was able to retake the world seriously. 

At least you didn't have to suffer for long.

And if I want to make a fan video, does that make me a fangirl, or a wannabe fangirl?

[Giggles_Manically]

Who really cares what haters think.

Do what you like in regards to your favourtie stuff and ignore detractors.

[Addai]

Monica21 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Funny, I get to Ostagar with a Dalish character, for instance, determined to hate Cailan.  And yet in one brief conversation he manages to be frustratingly reasonable and diplomatic.  That is what the Theirins are good at- charm, unifying, and inspiring.  There is more to being a king than just pushing paper and glaring at people.

But, never mind.  You're on a roll now.  Somehow I picture you and Loghain in a room with cigars throwing darts at pictures of Cailan, and it amuses me no end.  LOL

What does his charm have to do with anything? Charm doesn't mean anything if you refuse to listen to the people advising you. He may make a good politician but it hardly makes him a good leader. Maric understood that, but Cailan never did.

Maric had stopped listening to Loghain, too, by the end of his life.  Well, he didn't listen to him all the time even in TST.  And it actually worked out.  If Loghain hadn't deserted, it might have worked out in Ostagar, too, but we'll never know.

I really think the problem in Anora and Cailan's match-up is that neither trusted the other.  Anora had no confidence in Cailan, he obviously did not trust her enough to let her in on what he was doing with Orlais.  They were ruling at odds with each other and neither saw a conniving father/ FIL about to put both of them out of business.  And this is also why I don't see putting Alistair and Anora together as a good idea, epilogues aside since epilogues are basically BS anyway.  Anora even says as much, though in her self-serving way, when she says "what I'm really afraid of is that he would rule as Cailan did."

I don't deny Anora is smart and tough and all those things.  But Maker, you'd think she hung the damn moon.  <_<

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Who really cares what haters think.
Do what you like in regards to your favourtie stuff and ignore detractors.

I'm not a detractor if people are fans of whoever- make an Isolde Appreciation Society for all I care.  LOL  I consider myself a fangirl of several NPCs and don't consider the term perjorative.  No need to be so prickly and highbrow, geez.

Modifié par Addai67, 02 septembre 2010 - 03:35 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
And if I want to make a fan video, does that make me a fangirl, or a wannabe fangirl?

Fangirl I guess.
And my minion, being the lord of fanboys and girls.