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[Addai]

Addai67 wrote...

alschemid wrote...

ah! if you used a save where he already said it, the flag won't work....

btw, if any of his lines doesn't sound that good, or doesn't make much sense let me know, please.

This was on a save where they hadn't yet had the first camp dialogue.  I think.  I'll test it again tonight.

Ok, I got his approval up to 75 and it did switch to Friendly, however there were no kiss/ tent dialogue options.  Does his approval need to be higher than that?  It's tough getting him so high since I don't have Feastday gifts.  I had to ply him with dog bones, one point at a time.  lol

[Persephone]

I'll have to test that mod ASAP!

And have a kiss!

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Landsmeet screenies!  Mahariel archer vs. Loghain. When Miss Mahariel decides to make more than one facial expression, she will get more screen time.


"A fine performance, Eamon. . ."



Angry Loghain is angry.



"Our land has been invaded, and lost, and won. . ."



When he opens his eyes, all the Wardens will be gone.



Telling off Eamon



"How dare you judge me?!?"



"I yield."

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 21 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[alschemid]

Persephone wrote...
I'll have to test that mod ASAP!

That would be great, but remember that it is still WIP and the animations don't look so nice as the kissing alistair mods yet...

Addai67 wrote...
Ok, I got his approval up to 75 and it did switch to Friendly, however there were no kiss/ tent dialogue options.  Does his approval need to be higher than that?  It's tough getting him so high since I don't have Feastday gifts.  I had to ply him with dog bones, one point at a time.  lol

How I do: get him warm with the first talk and a map gift, talk to him again he says the line that sets the flag, then talk  nice to him and give gifts when it reaches 75% he gets friendly, next time you click on him again he will say the new line "Need something? Say the word." with the kiss/sleep options added to it.

Check if there is no other mod that could cause trouble:Romance Loghain and Loghain Friendly Fix, they change the same loghain_main.dlg and loghain_main.dlb files as mine.

Bones for kisses.... LOL. I didn't want make it too easy.... but should I change the kiss/sleep convo to when he is warm instead?

Modifié par alschemid, 21 février 2011 - 09:06 .

[Persephone]

I bring an update to "The Edge Of The Grey Enigma".

Chapter ten can be found here www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/10/

Enjoy!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

@Morwen: Landsmeet Loghain Brims with sex appeal. I do wish he would have went up on the balcony and b*tch slapped Eamon. That would have been epic.

[CalJones]

Oh god yes. At least he dissed him for being fat.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

CalJones wrote...

Oh god yes. At least he dissed him for being fat.

And don't forget old! 

ironic, coming from a man who is about 5 years older than Eamon, but looks and moves like a man 20 years younger. He should have dissed Eamon's ZZ Top beard, too. probably has birds nesting in it.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

@Morwen: Landsmeet Loghain Brims with sex appeal. I do wish he would have went up on the balcony and b*tch slapped Eamon. That would have been epic.

Thank you! Yes, it was quite difficult for me to concentrate on taking shots of my Mahariel, who did in fact turn up at the Landsmeet:




It's like he's got an almost Bardic Distraction thing going on. "You will not execute me. . .I am too awesome to die. . ."




The Elf, apparently, agreed --though she looks a little stunned about it:



"What just happened?"

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 21 février 2011 - 04:46 .

[Persephone]

*Listening to the Audiobook of The Stolen Throne again*

That does it. I'll never be able to execute Loghain ever again. <3<3<3

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Persephone wrote...

*Listening to the Audiobook of The Stolen Throne again*

That does it. I'll never be able to execute Loghain ever again. <3<3<3

. . .audiobook. . .? Simon T. doesn't read it, does he? :happy:

[Persephone]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Persephone wrote...

*Listening to the Audiobook of The Stolen Throne again*

That does it. I'll never be able to execute Loghain ever again. <3<3<3

. . .audiobook. . .? Simon T. doesn't read it, does he? :happy:

No. Sadly. It's read by Stephen Hoye. Who either has heard Simon T. as Loghain or just knows how to read characters well.

[CalJones]

Enjoyed your latest chapter, Percy.

[Persephone]

CalJones wrote...

Enjoyed your latest chapter, Percy.

This may sounds really stupid but: Are you referring to me? If so: Many thanks. If not: *OOPS* :happy:

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Persephone wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Enjoyed your latest chapter, Percy.

This may sounds really stupid but: Are you referring to me? If so: Many thanks. If not: *OOPS* :happy:

I think she was. I also enjoyed it but --sooo short! I felt like we were just getting started. . .and you just left us hanging w/r/t Rhi and Loghain, you tease!

I presume there's more to come. . .I shall wait. . .:innocent:

[Persephone]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Enjoyed your latest chapter, Percy.

This may sounds really stupid but: Are you referring to me? If so: Many thanks. If not: *OOPS* :happy:

I think she was. I also enjoyed it but --sooo short! I felt like we were just getting started. . .and you just left us hanging w/r/t Rhi and Loghain, you tease!

I presume there's more to come. . .I shall wait. . .:innocent:

Eleven is the magic number. There will be smut, oh yes!!! 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Persephone wrote...
No. Sadly. It's read by Stephen Hoye. Who either has heard Simon T. as Loghain or just knows how to read characters well.

Simon T's Voice would make it pornographic, causing extreme arousal, and thus, no one would be paying to the story anymore.:wub:

[Persephone]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Persephone wrote...
No. Sadly. It's read by Stephen Hoye. Who either has heard Simon T. as Loghain or just knows how to read characters well.

Simon T's Voice would make it pornographic, causing extreme arousal, and thus, no one would be paying to the story anymore.:wub:

Ya got the gist of it, yup, yup.

[Addai]

Persephone wrote...

No. Sadly. It's read by Stephen Hoye. Who either has heard Simon T. as Loghain or just knows how to read characters well.

Oh wow, I should try to get this.  I listen to audiobooks or college courses on CD during my commute.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Persephone wrote...

*Listening to the Audiobook of The Stolen Throne again*

That does it. I'll never be able to execute Loghain ever again. <3<3<3

I wish I could say the same, but sadly, due to the way my two canon characters are set up, and the type of story I wish to play out, Loghain's death is a requirement due to the game limitations and such. Though both characters would have rather imprisoned him.

It's probably the only thing that sucks about romancing Alistair, as both my endings, one satisfying and ironically happy, the other tragic, bitter and depressing, require him to stay on past the Landsmeet. Loghain being present in any of them would not effect my desired mood and outcome, but Alistair gone from them would nullify them completely.

Why, oh why, Bioware? If you weren't going to give us the chance to spare him without losing Alistair, why didn't you give him Howe's headmorph, Cammen's voice actor, and Cailan's personality, so we'd be fighting with Alistair over who gets to behead him first?

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

No. Sadly. It's read by Stephen Hoye. Who either has heard Simon T. as Loghain or just knows how to read characters well.

Oh wow, I should try to get this.  I listen to audiobooks or college courses on CD during my commute.

They can be bought on Audible.com.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Off-topicness.

Right now, I am re-watching a Syrian TV series (one of my favorites) and revisiting a character that also became a pseudo-role model for me as a kid (of course he has a goatee). I am actually surprised that we created a Xanatos type character.



His name is Matar. A highly sophisticated and cultivated millionaire and master manipulator. He is a self made man, who once once a very poor idealist / socialist who joined the PLO (Palestinian liberation organization). But after suffering in the 1982 invasion of Lebanon, and after seeing so much death, he decided to vanish. Everyone in his family believed he was dead. After 20 years, he came back a multi-millionaire (of course he didn't acquire his wealth by being nice and honest). A realist who realized how naive he was. He represents the anti-intellectual, aka against those who believe that knowledge and intellectuality change anything in the world. Rather he uses them as a tool for his own gain (and he is extremely knowledgeable and most of the time speaks classical Arabic and quotes very old poetry). He argues, and rightly, that the intellectuals are from the rich classes who have the luxury to think, while he, despite his intelligence, couldn't be noticed because he was poor.

Of course he is not like Xanatos, because he suffered psychologically and you can still see it behind his machiavellian (whom he quotes also BTW) exterior. Whereas Xanatos almost has no psychological weakness, he is perfectly content with everything. But he is like him in the sense of being a master manipulator and deciever. He can almost know what people think in their heads and what they feel, and can understand a person, and their weaknesses, by just meeting them once. And he takes pleasure at it. He in fact says once that he lives only to experience victory after victory. 

I found the character very interesting, because it's like he represents globalization and the "new world order" and how they are perceived by Arab eyes, or rather what those can do to Arabs. Of course there is some elements of conspiracy theories in there (which Matar dismisses). But the gist is that Matar, the way I saw him, represents the idealism and naivety of the Arabs plus growing class divide up until the 1980s, and transformation as they try to adapt to the new world (arguing that they lose a lot of who they are in the process. Indeed a large aspect of Matar's character is that he keeps remembering the days when he was poor. He does think he lost something).

Um anyhow, I don't really know why I am posting this. I am watching it and I felt that I want to write about him somewhere and you guys are awesome. He, Kane from CnC and of course Xanatos are the trio that pushed me to raise my own goatee lol.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 février 2011 - 09:22 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Wow! A man after my own heart. It's a shame I don't understand Arabic, because Matar sounds like a completely awesome character, one who I can relate to on many fronts, especially this:

He argues, and rightly, that the intellectuals are from the rich classes who have the luxury to think, while he, despite his intelligence, couldn't be noticed because he was poor.

This is actually a time honored fact that has predominated just about every civilization in history, from the greeks until even now. When people are poor or lacking greatly in something, they don't get the luxury of idle time to think, they have to focus on the harsh reality of surviving.

In a less extreme sense, I can relate. When I was a kid, and they were doing intelligence tests, I scored pretty high, and was placed in some specialist programs with others who were also exceptionally high in IQ. But my teachers barely noticed me for alot of things, and I was largely ignored, due to my familial status as "trailer trash" and no relatives who ever went to college.

It is part of the reason I lost interest in doing well in school and pursuing further education. And I'm not the only one. I've known quite a number of people in my school days who were freaking genuises and would have made awesome scientists and professional thinkers/engineers, but were ignored or never encouraged due to their family or financial status. The fact that all that potential of the mind, wasted and probably stuck in lesser jobs, wasted, because as kids, they were never encouraged to develop their minds and excell. Pisses me off.

I also have an interest in conspiracy theories, the majority of which I do not believe anyway. I like them because I am always drawn to the strange and bizarre, and conspiracy theories pretty much are the weird side of just about everything important, from politics and military to science and religion.

This show sounds fascinating.

Edit to add: Matar is Spanish for death, I believe. He looks like a Mafia Godfather. Which isn't a stretch, since Arabic ancestry is not uncommon in Sicilly.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 21 février 2011 - 09:22 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
In a less extreme sense, I can relate.

I think he became more extreme at it, because well it's supposed to be a drama, but also because the Arab world was experiencing radical changes (but maybe the USA was at the same time?). Idealism and optimism was being squashed. The mention of Lebanon was very pertinent, that's when Arabs started killing each other and not just politically backstab. More, it's when Arabs (Lebanese and then Syria) started killing the PLO. Showing that the Palestinian cause was nothing but a tool. I think that's why he shifted in an extreme fashion.

I agree with him on a lot of things. I don't think intellectualism is useless, it is useful, but not on its own. It needs money, lots of it, and the will to use it. This is shown because other characters, rich elites who were friends with Matar when they were kids, act in the way he describes. They say they have compassion for the poor, and they do, but they do nothing except express it through art and giving money to fix symptoms not the root causes. At the end of the series, he left to Iraq in 2003 after the invasion to invest there, but not before showing all the other characters how fickle they and their lives are.

He was no less smart than anyone else in fact he was smarter, but he saw that it was those with cool cars, and the better clothes who got all the attention while he could barely own a few sets of clothes and one pair of shoes. Add to that that he was an orphan and it was his older brother who raised him, quite severily.

I also have an interest in conspiracy theories, the majority of which I do not believe anyway. I like them because I am always drawn to the strange and bizarre, and conspiracy theories pretty much are the weird side of just about everything important, from politics and military to science and religion.

Conspiracy theories are interesting as in they show you how people percieve things.
But to be fair to the series, they show opposite views. Some are anti-globalist and say it's an American plan for dominion and that they should resist. Others say they should adapt. Matar embraced it and stopped caring about the ideals that he, and not they, once fought and risked his life for (with the exception of one who fought alongside him).

Edit to add: Matar is Spanish for death, I believe. He looks like a Mafia Godfather. Which isn't a stretch, since Arabic ancestry is not uncommon in Sicilly.

Matar in Arabic means rain. Not sure if there is a symbolism there. Perhaps he represents the rain that is globalism that is flooding the world, or that's how it's percieved.

It is fascinating and he steals the show easily. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 février 2011 - 09:44 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...


I think he became more extreme at it, because well it's supposed to be a drama, but also because the Arab world was experiencing radical changes (but maybe the USA was at the same time?). Idealism and optimism was being squashed. The mention of Lebanon was very pertinent, that's when Arabs started killing each other and not just politically backstab. More, it's when Arabs (Lebanese and then Syria) started killing the PLO. Showing that the Palestinian cause was nothing but a tool. I think that's why he shifted in an extreme fashion. [/quote]

I was a young child during the Regan years. It was not a time of radical change, but rather, extreme conservative opinion. Success and money, religion in politics, and the last years of the cold war. Basically, the sixties mentality was looked upon with horror, and hippies and druggies and their lifestyles were considered vile and responsible for all the social and moral evils in the world. This was the era of a push for 50's era "family values". This was also the when the war on drugs became an every day nightmare in the US.

Given these attitudes of the day, and considering my mom was still a shameless hippie, a drug user, an underachiever, and I was a bastard child, well.......I was basically percieved as close to casteless dwarf as you could get at the time. Teachers I had were more interested in kids from successful, stable wholesome backgrounds, because they were considered better investments of their time, since the prevailing attitude was that kids of wasteoids would turn into wasteoids themselves more often than not. A self fulfilling prophecy, as I will demonstrate in a future post.

We didn't have the same sort of military and political wars in the US, where there was pretty much near collapse of society. What we did have were the rise in street wars. Gangs and drugs. There are neighborhoods in the US that really would have been indistinguishable from Beiruit (minus bombs and rockets, of course). Plywood boards or blanket curtains put up over windows and doors that had been shot out by drive bys. I lived in a neighborhood where almost every house had low furniture that had been cut to sit low, so one's head was below the window, because random drivebys were a pretty common occurance. Crack cocaine had been introduced and exploded in popularity on the streets.

So while not quite as devestating or brutal as a full on military invasion, it was still a pretty scary time if you were poor and lived in a ghetto or a trailer park. I do not have many fond memories from that era (the other half being culture....cringe...)

[quote]I agree with him on a lot of things. I don't think intellectualism is useless, it is useful, but not on its own. It needs money, lots of it, and the will to use it. This is shown because other characters, rich elites who were friends with Matar when they were kids, act in the way he describes. They say they have compassion for the poor, and they do, but they do nothing except express it through art. At the end of the series, he left to Iraq in 2003 after the invasion to invest there, but not before showing all the other characters how fickle they and their lives are.

He was no less smart than anyone else in fact he was smarter, but he saw that it was those with cool cars, and the better clothes who got all the attention while he could barely own a few sets of clothes and one pair of shoes. Add to that that he was an orphan and it was his older brother who raised him, quite severily.

[quote]

It's a basic case of practicality. Intellectualism is just rainbow and fairy ideas until it can actually be applied to the real world in some fashion. That is where the Greeks failed but Romans succeeded. They applied their wisdom and intelligence into practical things, such as military and political organization, engineering projects, and other things that would make them stronger.


[quote]Conspiracy theories are interesting as in they show you how people percieve things.
But to be fair to the series, they show opposite views. Some are anti-globalist and say it's an American plan for dominion and that they should resist. Others say they should adapt. Matar embraced it and stopped caring about the ideals that he, and not they, once fought and risked his life for (with the exception of one who fought alongside him).
[quote]

Yes. Looking at conspiracy theories from either angle is enlightening. They often start from some kernel of truth surrounding an actual even, but become distorted and fantastic. It shows alot about the prevailing mood at the time, as well as the underlying hopes and fears of a people.

I mean, I spent years popping into a conspiracy forum in the 9/11 conspiracy debate section, and am never ceased to be amazed about what I've learned about my own countrymen.



[quote]Matar in Arabic means rain. Not sure if there is a symbolism there. Perhaps he represents the rain that is globalism that is flooding the world, or that's how it's percieved.

It is fascinating and he steals the show easily. 
[/quote]

Or since rain brings life to the desert and makes it flourish, Matar's example of embracing the flood has made him flourish.