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Morwen Eledhwen

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Oh my god....being mocked and chased around the Landsmeet meet chamber by a predatory and triumphant Loghain who just bumrushed you with his 50-year old hard body and is zeroing in for the kill, like my Warden is some prized game animal whose flesh he wishes to devour...........

It would not be terror I would be wetting my knickers with......:wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:


Yep --that's pretty much exactly what it's like. I smiled even as I cursed him, and squirmed on my couch in more than just fear of losing the game. . .

Poor Mahariel. She's really no match for him. The best thing I can say for her is she had the sense to choose him over Eamon/Alistair.

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Yep --that's pretty much exactly what it's like. I smiled even as I cursed him, and squirmed on my couch in more than just fear of losing the game. . .

Poor Mahariel. She's really no match for him. The best thing I can say for her is she had the sense to choose him over Eamon/Alistair.



I've never had a problem with Loghain in Landsmeet, I've always figured out pretty quick and brutal strategies to dispatch him, though easier said then done when dealing with warriors or archers. I mostly play mages and dual wielding rogues.

Perhaps the most fun I had defeating Loghain was with a blood mage, and it was an exercise in sadistic fun. I whipped out a blood wound on loghain before he could get off a war cry, slammed him with paralyze, and commenced slow arcane tortures on him. And everytime blood wound injured him and jerked him back, he's do his growling "YES!!!!!!!!!!!" like he was....enjoying being magically abused.

Which, naturally, made that fight quite memorable and tasty. He never struck me as a masochist, but hey, not my place to question his kinks. I was just there to deliver. :devil::devil:

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You scare me, Skadi. You scare me deeply.

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Glorfindel709 wrote...

You scare me, Skadi. You scare me deeply.


You'll get used to it.

Eventually.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Yep --that's pretty much exactly what it's like. I smiled even as I cursed him, and squirmed on my couch in more than just fear of losing the game. . .

Poor Mahariel. She's really no match for him. The best thing I can say for her is she had the sense to choose him over Eamon/Alistair.



I've never had a problem with Loghain in Landsmeet, I've always figured out pretty quick and brutal strategies to dispatch him, though easier said then done when dealing with warriors or archers. I mostly play mages and dual wielding rogues.

Perhaps the most fun I had defeating Loghain was with a blood mage, and it was an exercise in sadistic fun. I whipped out a blood wound on loghain before he could get off a war cry, slammed him with paralyze, and commenced slow arcane tortures on him. And everytime blood wound injured him and jerked him back, he's do his growling "YES!!!!!!!!!!!" like he was....enjoying being magically abused.

Which, naturally, made that fight quite memorable and tasty. He never struck me as a masochist, but hey, not my place to question his kinks. I was just there to deliver. :devil::devil:



Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh...........Gnnnnngggggggggg....... :wub::wub::wub:<3<3<3:devil::devil::devil:

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I've never had a problem with Loghain in Landsmeet, I've always figured out pretty quick and brutal strategies to dispatch him, though easier said then done when dealing with warriors or archers. I mostly play mages and dual wielding rogues.

Perhaps the most fun I had defeating Loghain was with a blood mage, and it was an exercise in sadistic fun. I whipped out a blood wound on loghain before he could get off a war cry, slammed him with paralyze, and commenced slow arcane tortures on him. And everytime blood wound injured him and jerked him back, he's do his growling "YES!!!!!!!!!!!" like he was....enjoying being magically abused.

Which, naturally, made that fight quite memorable and tasty. He never struck me as a masochist, but hey, not my place to question his kinks. I was just there to deliver. :devil::devil:


Haha, yes, well, once I set down the camera and just concentrated on the duel, I was able to dispatch Loghain in one try --though my archer did eventually have to say "eff this archery noise", ditch the bow and pull out the axe/dagger combo to finish him off. My very first PC had a bit of trouble with him, I think because I just didn't level her properly. My CE got him in just about 10 seconds --it was such a brutal fight I felt sorry for him --also, no growling or laughing or being chased by a big black panther in a silver suit :?. My most fun duel with him was, like yours, by my Mage, who is one of my canons, and whose duel with Loghain takes up most of Chapter 1 of my fic --nearly 100% accurately. :innocent:

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Glorfindel709 wrote...

You scare me, Skadi. You scare me deeply.



Awww, shucks, I'm flattered...:blush:

@Morwen: yeah, the most epic battles I remember playing were with mages, pulling out some funky spell combos and slow torture of enemies. I even dropped virulent walking bomb on Loggy, and he still seemed to dig it. Maybe when he "explodes", he likes to literally explode as well. :wub::wub::wub:

It's almost as satisfying as being a human rogue and kicking Howe in the balls during the fight. Though I wished he could have been made to squeal like a eunich when I did......

But ever since I developed my Loghain fetish, using below the belt at landsmeet is now strongly verboten in Landsmeet battles, as I do not wish to damage a groin I might have potential uses for...:wub::wub::wub:

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LOL! *grabs popcorn, watches Skadi on a roll*

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Yep --that's pretty much exactly what it's like. I smiled even as I cursed him, and squirmed on my couch in more than just fear of losing the game. . .

Poor Mahariel. She's really no match for him. The best thing I can say for her is she had the sense to choose him over Eamon/Alistair.



I've never had a problem with Loghain in Landsmeet, I've always figured out pretty quick and brutal strategies to dispatch him, though easier said then done when dealing with warriors or archers. I mostly play mages and dual wielding rogues.

Perhaps the most fun I had defeating Loghain was with a blood mage, and it was an exercise in sadistic fun. I whipped out a blood wound on loghain before he could get off a war cry, slammed him with paralyze, and commenced slow arcane tortures on him. And everytime blood wound injured him and jerked him back, he's do his growling "YES!!!!!!!!!!!" like he was....enjoying being magically abused.

Which, naturally, made that fight quite memorable and tasty. He never struck me as a masochist, but hey, not my place to question his kinks. I was just there to deliver. :devil::devil:


Marry me? jk. This sounds awesome, when my blood mage Kayla gets there, she will enjoy his pain so much...if only I could heal him again and then torture him again.

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I was just thinking of how my opinions of Loghain ahve changed since I first started the game. In my first couple playthroughs, having never read the books nor knew much about the history lore beyond what was presented in game, I saw him as a fallen general whose mind was warped by paranoia and belief in his own legend, though I didn't think he was an actual power hungry villian with dictator aspirations. He reminded me of some of the scarier generals of the cold war, who wanted to devise plans to nuke American cities in case the Russians ever invaded. The mentality being "If we can't have it, no one will.". I thought his mind was filled with delusions of "Reds under the bed" and other fears of non-existant boogeymen, and would rather see the country swallowed by the Blight.



How my opinions have changed. After reading the books, learning more about the politics and history of the DA universe, plus sparing him, he has become a very different character to me. I now see he wasn't possesed by baseless or inflated paranoia, that he actually had damned good reasons for not trusting the Orlesians or the Wardens. My opinion now is of a man whose fears and priorities were skewed severely, and that he ended up biting off more than he could chew, militarily and politically, but he wasn't running on pure irrational paranoia. Just the burdens of his descisions were crushing him, and pushing him to make even dumber choices. I also believe one of the big reasons he failed was because he still possesed a decent amount of sentimentality. Which as a character, I find to be a wonderful trait that makes him more human. But as a political leader, it made him an epic fail.



What about the rest of you? What were your first impressions in your first playthroughs of Loghain? If they changed, what caused them to change?

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
What about the rest of you? What were your first impressions in your first playthroughs of Loghain? If they changed, what caused them to change?


My opinion of him hasn't changed that much, it's similar to how you think of him now. My opinion has been refined throughout, taking into consideration new info from writers, sparing him, DLCs and Awakening (all of which supported my initial impression of him). But for the most part it's the same. 

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What about the rest of you? What were your first impressions in your first playthroughs of Loghain? If they changed, what caused them to change?


My very first impression of him as my Duster PC was that he was awesome and I was looking forward to "working" with him. (She may also have squeed on him a little bit. . .:whistle:). I may actually have liked him a little too much, because when he abandoned the field at Ostagar, my Duster took it very hard and was pretty much blinded to anything except "WTF how could he do that and Duncan's dead and Alistair is all sad and all the Grey Wardens are gone and I'm stuck here on the surface with my future cut out from under me before it even got started and --AAGGH! I hate you Loghain!!" I am also still realtively new to these types of games so I still --at the time, anyway, though I hope I've grown out of it-- had a tendency to believe everything the "good" characters told me without questioning either their motives or their own sense of perspective or reason. So when people said "Loghain is trying to tear this country apart" or "He's gone mad with desire for power" or "He's the reason we lost Ostagar, and Cailan, and the Wardens", my Duster just nodded and thought "Well, that's what these people have told me, so it must be true!" *facepalm* That attitude lasted for that one playthrough, after which I started paying more attention to what was going on around me, what people were really saying and the various points of bias from which they might be saying it. I have since come to a conclusion that echoes parts of what Skadi and KoP have already said --that Loghain is first and foremost a patriot, and last of all a politician. But secondly he is a general, and his major mistake in his behavior after Ostagar was to think of and treat the banns as though they were subordinates in his army --and to assume that they would jump on board and do whatever they needed to do to unite their country after the death of Cailan and prepare to face the Blight. The best course of action in a crisis being, of course, to shut up and get behind their General, their hero. Oops. . .His second biggest mistake IMO was to get in bed with guys like Uldred, Caladrius and Howe in order to achieve his goals. I'd like to think that there was something else he could have done --although the Banns and the Wardens kept his options pretty limited. :mellow:

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 22 février 2011 - 08:52 .


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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
Actually that begs a question: do any of the Loghain romance mods include a Jealousy crisis? I was just thinking that if my Mahariel were to demand personal "redemption" from Loghain on behalf of her people, I would have one pissed-off redhead in camp. But do the other companions know to be jealous of Loghain? And. . .:devil:. . .is there a possibility of a jealous, snarly, hot-blooded Loghain, demanding the Warden's undivided allegiance. . .? :devil::devil:<3


Most of the screenshots posted here are Alistair romance mods where we changed Alistair's head for Loghain's....:whistle:

The only Loghain Romance mod released by now is from chibievil, where you can only kiss and sleep with Loghain, there is no interaction with the other LIs, it is not fully voiced and has a few bugs. And because of the bugs I started working on mine, which is only in beta by now, the only jealously I've added for now is the same that happens with Alistair when you ask for a kiss outside the camp while having a romance going on with Zevran or Leliana and they are there to complain. Of course, a lot could be added to it, I am all open for new ideas. ;)

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@Morwen: yeah, I remember the first time I met Loghain at Ostagar, I thought, "This guy seems pretty cool. He's definitely got his head screwed on right." I was actually surprised and disappointed when he left the field, because I thought he was going to be like an important NPC that you would be interacting with for missions and stuff. I certainly found his voice to be pretty sexy, even if he looked undead and sleep deprived. Now, those traits make him strangely sexy.



@KoP: Yeah, I think your man crush on Loghain has been one of the few constants on these forums, lol, and was the source of much fun in the early debates. I remember seeing your posts, which were pretty brutal and shamelessly supported ideas everyone else thought were evil and horrible. Those debates were a blast, especially between you and Lotion, lol!

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
@KoP: Yeah, I think your man crush on Loghain has been one of the few constants on these forums, lol, and was the source of much fun in the early debates. I remember seeing your posts, which were pretty brutal and shamelessly supported ideas everyone else thought were evil and horrible. Those debates were a blast, especially between you and Lotion, lol!


lol Yea I still do. The noticeable difference is that, I think, I was much more aggressive and less diplomatic. Which hopefully changed a bit. But the content is the same.

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Mac Tir / Cousland alliance is badass

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Ferelden is lucky. Their enemies are not.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...


lol Yea I still do. The noticeable difference is that, I think, I was much more aggressive and less diplomatic. Which hopefully changed a bit. But the content is the same.



Yes, you are very diplomatic now, which is why you also have an easier time selling your ideas or at least getting people to ponder your point of view. Which, as you now see, has given you knowledge to further your world domination plans! You now understand more flies are caught with honey than vinegar, young grasshopper. :devil:

I do remember one debate with you and Lotion, he called you a douchebag, and you told him he was a morn and a bigot who was secretly thinking of Alistair when he was romancing leliana.

Ah, good times.:wizard:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mac Tir / Cousland alliance is badass
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Ferelden is lucky. Their enemies are not.



Awww, their armors nearly match. What a cute couple! How romantic! :wub:

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I was new to forums, this is the first one I was engaged in constantly. So I guess that's why I was too aggressive. That plus Lotion was annoying. I do remember calling him a zealot, yea. Not sure I remember saying that he was thinking of Alistair lol

EDIT: and yea I know. Gold for the blond. Dark for the dark haired.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I was new to forums, this is the first one I was engaged in constantly. So I guess that's why I was too aggressive. That plus Lotion was annoying. I do remember calling him a zealot, yea. Not sure I remember saying that he was thinking of Alistair lol



Oh I do. I have an unholy long term memory, especially for bizarre stuff. I remember you making suggestions that his fascination with Alistair was probably of the man love type. Something to that effect, i don't remember the exact words. To which I think he called you a douchebag or something. But the whole slug match was funny.

I was bad to. I think I remember telling you or Robert the Bard to get therapy.

yeah. Me. Telling someone else to seek professional help. LOL!:P

EDIT: and yea I know. Gold for the blond. Dark for the dark haired.



Yeah, good match for her. All my Wardens have dark or brown hair, and I almost always color their armor in darker shades. Like you, I really hate bright shiny armor, especially gold, because i think it looks tacky. I'm like one of the few people who sells off cailan's armor the first chance i get it, because I really hate the way it looks, and like the warden commander set on Alistair better. Plus, it's better armor anyway.

Is Arcturus a strength and dex rogue, or is the armor styled to look heavy?

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I remember you calling me a megalomaniacal sociopath lol

Arcturus is cunning / dex rogue. The armor, I imported from the toolset, with no strength requirements. I wanted it to look regal and fit for a military commander, but also wanted it to look roguish.

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In contrast to what he wore before, which fits a hunted fugitive, adventurer and underground fighter better.

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Half of power is image.

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...and that's one hell of an image.



No, seriously. That's about 3 different kinds of cool.

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Oh, are we reminiscing now? I remember posting on the Alistair thread that I found Loghain squee "morbidly fascinating."  I also remember the day I posted on there that I'd had a dream about my HNF in a political marriage with him, and said it might make a good fanfiction story if there was someone willing to write it but that I wasn't. Hardy har har.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Mac Tir / Cousland alliance is badass
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Ferelden is lucky. Their enemies are not.


That's an awesome screenie of a badass looking couple. Love your armor & Anora is a lucky lass!:wub:

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@ TJ
Thanks!

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That's an awesome screenie of a badass looking couple. Love your armor & Anora is a lucky lass!:wub:


Too bad for her Arcturus' heart is for Morrigan. But I always said, if Morrigan wasn't there, I'd fall in love with Anora.
But yea I think they'd make a fine duo.