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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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Morwen Eledhwen

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

I did get a bit chocked up when Loghain talked to dog about losing his dog.


I was kind of annoyed to find out that there's no "in-camp" Loghain/Dog cutscene like the ones between Dog and some of the other characters. <_< So many great possibilties there.

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I did get a bit chocked up when Loghain talked to dog about losing his dog.


I was kind of annoyed to find out that there's no "in-camp" Loghain/Dog cutscene like the ones between Dog and some of the other characters. <_< So many great possibilties there.



Yeah, Loghain's budding bromance with dog should have gotten a bit more screentime. Especially since Loghain is so damned patriotic and proud of his culture, and dogs are such a huge and integral part of Ferelden culture. Loghain and dog chillin' by the campfire, having some male bonding time, would have made an epic cutscene.

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Speaking of Loghain, I did find two suitable songs to be used in my tribute video.





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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Loghain and dog chillin' by the campfire, having some male bonding time, would have made an epic cutscene.


:happy: Yes. . .such manliness. . .Ladies, avert your eyes and control your blushes! :happy:

My F!Dalish had lots of fun in my last playthrough swashing her way through Deep Roads Pt. 2 with the group she called The Studmuffins --Loghain, Sten and Dog. B)

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Loghain and dog chillin' by the campfire, having some male bonding time, would have made an epic cutscene.


:happy: Yes. . .such manliness. . .Ladies, avert your eyes and control your blushes! :happy:

My F!Dalish had lots of fun in my last playthrough swashing her way through Deep Roads Pt. 2 with the group she called The Studmuffins --Loghain, Sten and Dog. B)



Loghain, Sten, Dog: The ultimate bromance triangle.

I mean, imagine it: Loghain, Sten, and dog, all camped out somewhere on some campaign. Sten has Loghain in a headlock, giving him a noogie. Loghain performing a surprise flanking maneuver and pulling off an epic atomic wedgie on Sten, while dog is wagging his tail and chowing down on the field rations.

I mean, this is sitcom material! :wizard:

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I wonder if I should even try to make sense of what you just said Skadi...

Probably not.

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To follow a Skadism to its conclusion leads:
A) Madness
B) Death
C) Awesome
D) All of the above.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

To follow a Skadism to its conclusion leads:
A) Madness
B) Death
C) Awesome
D) All of the above.


You forgot sex. . .

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You know, going back to my moaning on the Alistair thread, about how people are always showing up at my house and bothering, despite my attempts to be unwelcoming. I think it's because they feel sorry for me. They think I am a severely mentally ill person, and are doing their civic duty and trying to "reach out" to me. Maybe if I stopped talking to cats but ignoring people, or didn't go out on Sunday afternoon in my granny pajamas to buy ice cream, they might realize I'm not crazy, just a very evil unsocialble person, and then they would start to avoid me instead!

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

You know, going back to my moaning on the Alistair thread, about how people are always showing up at my house and bothering, despite my attempts to be unwelcoming. I think it's because they feel sorry for me. They think I am a severely mentally ill person, and are doing their civic duty and trying to "reach out" to me. Maybe if I stopped talking to cats but ignoring people, or didn't go out on Sunday afternoon in my granny pajamas to buy ice cream, they might realize I'm not crazy, just a very evil unsocialble person, and then they would start to avoid me instead!


Don't you have Eyebrows/Stare/Aura of Death? I find them indispensible. Though it becomes a handicap on those occasions when you do actually need assistance, but meh. . .those times are so rare, correct?

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 07 mars 2011 - 11:23 .


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Wouldn't it be considered foolish ( read: completely and utterly retarded ) to approach the house of a person you view as a mentally ill, who is a former professional soldier and who owns a firearm in perfectly working condition and who seems annoyed whenever you show up?

Are the people there THAT idiotic? Just saying it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 07 mars 2011 - 11:25 .


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@Morwen: Sadly, no, I do not possess the Gift. I have studied and tried to channel my inner fountain of evil into a palpable aura of psychic dread, but to no avail. I am in awe of those who have mastered this. I usually have to resort to ridiculous and bizarre gimicks, such as drawing pentagrams on my forhead or dressing in Halloween costumes at Easter to get the sort of shock and awe the true pros can do with by mere thought. Sigh.

@Costin: I have discerned an inexplicable death wish in the collective unconciousness of the local population, primarily, in the large expat population. The Spaniards themselves are much less trouble. But given that slow self destruction seems to be a pasttime here amongst the expats, perhaps some of them pester me in the hopes that I am not only insane, but will snap and put them out of their misery. Which, while tempting, would result in more people constantly knocking on my door asking if I've seen so-and-so.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

@Morwen: Sadly, no, I do not possess the Gift. I have studied and tried to channel my inner fountain of evil into a palpable aura of psychic dread, but to no avail. I am in awe of those who have mastered this. I usually have to resort to ridiculous and bizarre gimicks, such as drawing pentagrams on my forhead or dressing in Halloween costumes at Easter to get the sort of shock and awe the true pros can do with by mere thought. Sigh.


Loghain will instruct you in The Way, young apprentice. . .

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But you see, Loghain's evil is sexy evil. His is the evil of the piercing blye eyed gaze and delusional rants that still make other men want to bear his children.

I want the aura of incomprehnsible evil. The kind of aura that causes people to bleed from their eyes and ears within a 50 foot radius, and sends then screaming and scrambling for their lives. The kind of skin-crisping, eyeball melting, radioactive evil that can vaporize diamonds.

I don't want them to love me, I don't want them to fear me. I want to watch them fall before me into gelatinous little blobs of flesh because my evil awesomeness has turned their bones into goo.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

But you see, Loghain's evil is sexy evil. His is the evil of the piercing blye eyed gaze and delusional rants that still make other men want to bear his children.

I want the aura of incomprehnsible evil. The kind of aura that causes people to bleed from their eyes and ears within a 50 foot radius, and sends then screaming and scrambling for their lives. The kind of skin-crisping, eyeball melting, radioactive evil that can vaporize diamonds.

I don't want them to love me, I don't want them to fear me. I want to watch them fall before me into gelatinous little blobs of flesh because my evil awesomeness has turned their bones into goo.


'Tis true. Then I guess Loghain cannot help you; and neither can I --my aura merely causes fear/avoidance, which is not nearly as cool as what you describe but does the job of keeping people the hell away from me when I wish it without the authorities or Agents Mulder & Scully poking around. =]

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Speaking of Loghain, I did find two suitable songs to be used in my tribute video.






Before this gets buried. . .

I prefer the second version --seems better paced IMO. Of course, that depends on what you want to convey in your tribute video, but the energy in the second version seems a better match for Loghain in general.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 08 mars 2011 - 12:33 .


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Would use them both in order actually.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Wouldn't it be considered foolish ( read: completely and utterly retarded ) to approach the house of a person you view as a mentally ill, who is a former professional soldier and who owns a firearm in perfectly working condition and who seems annoyed whenever you show up?

Are the people there THAT idiotic? Just saying it.


Well you are talking about Spaniards who defied Napoleon...

But I think Arabs are somewhat similar. They like to stick their noses everywhere it doesn't belong, in the name of neighbourliness. While that's nice to a certain extent, comapred to the relatively cold attitude of others, it can get annoying.

I swear I am not joking, here in Canada, in the middle of an elevator, a woman I have never seen in my life, not only managed to know my name, but also my family name and who my dad and grandfather are. She's obviously from Damascus.

I would have been creeped out, but I know there are no secrets in Damascus. Even when parts of Damascus go thousands of miles away.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 08 mars 2011 - 01:28 .


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Aren't most Spaniards with quite a lot of arabic blood in em nowadays?

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Many of them were deported or fled with the Inquisition. But I suspect there is some Arabic blood in there. But not in terms of Y-DNA (father to son transmitted). 73% of the population has R1b Y-DNA (Europid). There is however a very small J1 minority (J1 has a large frequency in Semitic peoples, like Arabs, Assyrians and Hebrews. It's weakest in the latter). I suspect that those might originate from Arabs. Also the E1b1b frequency might originate from the berbers who also came in.

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They did a study a few years ago on the Spanish male population, and it seems there is more Sephardic jewish ancestry than there is Arab or Berber. Ferdinand and Isabella and their Inquisition were extremely thorough and relentless in driving out most of the Muslim population, and the few Jews who did stay went crypto/underground to avoid persecution.

When the Catholic monarchs conquored Granada in 1492, they had so badly depopulated this region alone that they had to forcibly relocate some people from Galicia, because many villages lay abandoned after the purges. It does explain a few oddities about this region that seem more in sync with Northern Spain and Portugal.

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I wonder why the virtual eradication of both Muslims in Jews in Spain is not considered a genocide. There are other means to kill a people that do not involve physical killing.

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Probably because it was primarily expulsion, a practice that has been done so many times in human history it would render the term genocide almost meaningless.

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The UN definition of genocide has this as one of the characteristics: "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

It can be argued that the environment of fear created by the Inquisition was a deliberate, calculated policy to get rid of the unwanted populations.

But eh, academically speaking at least, I think the term genocide is almost meaningless. Many peoples and cultures died out via a variety of means. A very important one is expulsion.

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So...I got my hands on Dragon Age II ( does pay off to have relatives who live in America I tell you! ) and so far no mention of Loghain ( except for the whole demo thing where he is referred to as a traitor ).

There is mentioning of the Warden ( You do meet Bodhan quite early on and Varric does mention the Warden meeting Flemeth after he tells Cassandra how the Witch saved Hawke ). Will see if there any other references.

Game on Nightmare is...hard as hell! Haven't loaded any DLC yet ( and most likely won't for gppd while in my first playthrough ) but I can tell you that fighting mini bosses in the first quests in Kirkwall who summon adds once the initial ones are killed is HARSH. So much for HEROIC combat, I just run a good two blocks away from the spawning point with the bosses after me so I don't get owned.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 mars 2011 - 09:08 .