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Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 03 septembre 2010 - 10:56 .
Zjarcal wrote...
^^^ Well, I suppose the Loghain squee had to be eventually interrupted by some hate.
Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
^ of which I am one.
There are some Snape/Loghain comparisons to be made besides hair, actually. . .the man who's resigned himself to being the "bad guy" in nearly everyone's eyes, for the sake of doing what he feels is right. . .although unlike Snape, Loghain certainly makes an effort to explain himself to people, but neither of them really care if people know or appreciate what they did beyond how the peoples' opinions might affect their (Snape's and Loghain's) ability to to their jobs. . .
Sarah1281 wrote...
Because, of course, Katriel changing her mind and realizing that she was wrong makes everything better. You know, there have got to be more things we can blame Loghain for. Oh, I know! How about not accompanying Maric into the Deep Roads in The Calling and thus not killing the Architect and being responsible for the Fifth Blight!
What?!?DragonRacer13 wrote...
Loghain was the one to tell me Santa Claus isn't real. What a punch to the gut that was...
LULZ
Monica21 wrote...
What?!?DragonRacer13 wrote...
Loghain was the one to tell me Santa Claus isn't real. What a punch to the gut that was...
LULZ
Glad to help.DragonRacer13 wrote...
Hah! That didn't take long. Thank you for playing off that so well (and quickly)! Also love the new sig pic...
Uh, and if you aren't actually playing and I totally poo-poo'ed Santa for you, my apologies.
Hmmm, you know, now that I think about it, Loghain is probably the reason why some of my socks keep mysteriously disappearing in the dryer. Guess that's what I get for buying Orlesian cotton, damn it all...
And what can I say? KoP changed my mind about Loghain, so I think I've sworn fealty to him or something. Definitely minion status.
GardenSnake wrote...
He's a dirtbag. "Oh but he's patriotic, leave him alone, he's not evil. He's just conflicted and blah blah blah blah." Lets see here, he doomed his 'best friend's' son to death because he thought he wasn't fit to rule. He also stood by as his 'best friend' killed his love although he knew that she didn't intend to betray Maric any more. He also screwed Maric over by getting with Rowan, and then made them get back together, esencially making the two form a relationship based on a lie.
Man, what a pal Loghain is huh? Being patriotic is one thing, but screwing your friends over to do so is what makes him a dirtbag.
On my first playthrough I gladly let Alistair kill him, Loghain had caused his family enough pain. And that was even before I had read the books.
Sarah1281 wrote...
Because, of course, Katriel changing her mind and realizing that she was wrong makes everything better.
Giggles_Manically wrote...
GardenSnake wrote...
He's a dirtbag. "Oh but he's patriotic, leave him alone, he's not evil. He's just conflicted and blah blah blah blah." Lets see here, he doomed his 'best friend's' son to death because he thought he wasn't fit to rule. He also stood by as his 'best friend' killed his love although he knew that she didn't intend to betray Maric any more. He also screwed Maric over by getting with Rowan, and then made them get back together, esencially making the two form a relationship based on a lie.
Man, what a pal Loghain is huh? Being patriotic is one thing, but screwing your friends over to do so is what makes him a dirtbag.
On my first playthrough I gladly let Alistair kill him, Loghain had caused his family enough pain. And that was even before I had read the books.
That's me! I should make that my sig......
...What does Anora have to do with anything and how are Loghain's parenting skills brought up here?GardenSnake wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Because, of course, Katriel changing her mind and realizing that she was wrong makes everything better.
Well, lets say that I was friends with Loghain and decided to start doing cocaine, he seems to be unaffected by it and doesn't get involved. However, I realize that doing coke is probably not going to lead anywhere great and decide to give it up. But no! Just Just as I'm about to tell Loghain I gave coke up, he kills me. Why get involved and be happy for me that I gave it up (comparing giving up my coke addiction to Katriel realizing that she actually loved Maric and didn't want to kill him) when you could just kill me? Right? I initially made the wrong choice so that HAS to justify killing me. "But Maric killed her, not Loghain!" Trust me, Loghain would have done it if Maric hadn't, how do I know? Well, just look at the Cailin example, he killed his friend's son who was king, what was stopping him from killing a random elf that could potentially harm the nobility of his precision Ferelden?
He must have been a crappy parent too, it shows in Anora (who I also despise). "Daddy, I drew on the wall, I'm sorry..."
"WHAT! You realised you made a mistake and are appologizing for it? NO that doesn't matter, you're grounded for the rest of the Dragon Age!!!!"
GardenSnake wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Because, of course, Katriel changing her mind and realizing that she was wrong makes everything better.
Well, lets say that I was friends with Loghain and decided to start doing cocaine, he seems to be unaffected by it and doesn't get involved. However, I realize that doing coke is probably not going to lead anywhere great and decide to give it up. But no! Just Just as I'm about to tell Loghain I gave coke up, he kills me. Why get involved and be happy for me that I gave it up (comparing giving up my coke addiction to Katriel realizing that she actually loved Maric and didn't want to kill him) when you could just kill me? Right? I initially made the wrong choice so that HAS to justify killing me. "But Maric killed her, not Loghain!" Trust me, Loghain would have done it if Maric hadn't, how do I know?
Loghain did not kill Cailan. Cailan insisted on being on the front lines despite Loghain urging him not to be. "Cailan's death was his own doing" is true.Well, just look at the Cailin example, he killed his friend's son who was king, what was stopping him from killing a random elf that could potentially harm the nobility of his precision Ferelden?
Uh, what? Now you're just making stuff up.He must have been a crappy parent too, it shows in Anora (who I also despise). "Daddy, I drew on the wall, I'm sorry..."
"WHAT! You realised you made a mistake and are appologizing for it? NO that doesn't matter, you're grounded for the rest of the Dragon Age!!!!"
Guest_MariSkep_*
Giggles_Manically wrote...
I'd respond to your specific parts, but I'll just do it all in one. About Katriel, come on, so Loghain got his point across to Maric about her being a spy, alright fine. No, not good enough, instead of a okay, have you learned your lesson yet, now lets all make up and be friends again, Loghain just stands there, hoping that Maric will do EXACTLY what he did. I'm in a situation like that with some buddies of mine, what do I do? Let one punch the other in the face so that they never talk to each other again? No, first of all I break the news that Joe killed Sean's cat more lightly than just "Oh, I was watching Joe, he was burying your cat and had blood all over his hands. Connect the dots." Then after that, I at least make an effort for the situation not to escalate into a screaming/punching/killing match. You see what I'm saying? Ya, Katriel meant less than nothing to Loghain, but he could have at least tried for Maric's sake. Your point about Cailin? Sure he didn't kill him directly, but he did doom him to his own death. It IS Loghain's fault that he died indirectly. He makes a plan with Cailin that his men and him will rush in to destroy the darkspawn, but then leaves and tries to hurt others in his family. Him and Cailin might as well have been standing next to a tree with Loghain saying that he'll catch him and then just walking away as Cailin fell to the ground and broke his back. As for that last point, it's a part of Gaider's almost finished book about Anora's childhoodMonica21 wrote...
GardenSnake wrote...
Sarah1281 wrote...
Because, of course, Katriel changing her mind and realizing that she was wrong makes everything better.
Well, lets say that I was friends with Loghain and decided to start doing cocaine, he seems to be unaffected by it and doesn't get involved. However, I realize that doing coke is probably not going to lead anywhere great and decide to give it up. But no! Just Just as I'm about to tell Loghain I gave coke up, he kills me. Why get involved and be happy for me that I gave it up (comparing giving up my coke addiction to Katriel realizing that she actually loved Maric and didn't want to kill him) when you could just kill me? Right? I initially made the wrong choice so that HAS to justify killing me. "But Maric killed her, not Loghain!" Trust me, Loghain would have done it if Maric hadn't, how do I know?
Maric killed Katriel because of West Hill, not because she plotted against him directly. He was rightfully angry about her leading so many men to die. Sure she's sorry now, but what good does that do?Loghain did not kill Cailan. Cailan insisted on being on the front lines despite Loghain urging him not to be. "Cailan's death was his own doing" is true.Well, just look at the Cailin example, he killed his friend's son who was king, what was stopping him from killing a random elf that could potentially harm the nobility of his precision Ferelden?
Uh, what? Now you're just making stuff up.He must have been a crappy parent too, it shows in Anora (who I also despise). "Daddy, I drew on the wall, I'm sorry..."
"WHAT! You realised you made a mistake and are appologizing for it? NO that doesn't matter, you're grounded for the rest of the Dragon Age!!!!"
Come on, I'm just having fun with that last part. Modifié par GardenSnake, 04 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .
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