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[Giggles_Manically]

Qunari explosive ala gunpowder.

No one in Thedas uses it mostly because they have magic.
The Dwarves use lyrium based ones but they are poisonous and weak compared to Qunari powder.

[KnightofPhoenix]

There may not be enough ironbark to build an entire armada, but I am hoping there will be enough to build some "super-ships" to act as flagships and capital ships. Which is why I am hoping that the Brecilian Forest is within Gwaren's jurisdiction.

But eh, even if it isn't, Arcturus will be getting what he wants and the banns there are going to fall in line with some nice incentives.

EDIT: and yes, he'd steal the explosives.
But he'd be investing in Lyrium technology. It may catch even the qunari off-guard.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 31 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Or you could just blow up the landsmeet with some stolen Qunari powder, then say that the Qunari did it and justify expanding the entire fleet.

No more idiotic banns, a perfect excuse to build a fleet with no complaints, and you get to set off a really big explosion!

What more can you want?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

My secondary canon, Siona, would definitely want to get a hold of the stuff. She is planning on setting up a sort of Ferelden intelligence/security type of agency with an international organized crime syndicate as a tool to work for Ferelden's interests abroad through less noble, legal means. So she'd definitely be up for very discreetly stealing some. And sending samples to the weapons research division. Which ideally, would be run by dwarves and mages.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Or you could just blow up the landsmeet with some stolen Qunari powder, then say that the Qunari did it and justify expanding the entire fleet.

No more idiotic banns, a perfect excuse to build a fleet with no complaints, and you get to set off a really big explosion!

What more can you want?

I'm planning on some troublesome Banns "disappearing", tragedies that of course, would be blamed on rival banns, complete with "overwhelming evidence" of their crimes, in which said Banns, by Ferelden law, would give up their armies, titles, and lands to the crown, to be redistributed to more "law abiding" individuals. Minus the armies. Anora gets to keep those.

Of course, the disappeared Banns would now be "volunteers" for Avernus' experiments.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Or you could just blow up the landsmeet with some stolen Qunari powder, then say that the Qunari did it and justify expanding the entire fleet.

No more idiotic banns, a perfect excuse to build a fleet with no complaints, and you get to set off a really big explosion!

What more can you want?

Since Ferelden probably doesn't have a substantial bureaucracy (I presume), that would risk creating a power vacuum.

But a "Qunari attack" on *some* banns that I happen to think are more stupid than average would be an interesting pretext. Actually, Redcliffe Castle would be a nice target, if I can think of a reason why the qunari would attack that and how believable it would be. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Or you could just blow up the landsmeet with some stolen Qunari powder, then say that the Qunari did it and justify expanding the entire fleet.

No more idiotic banns, a perfect excuse to build a fleet with no complaints, and you get to set off a really big explosion!

What more can you want?

Since Ferelden probably doesn't have a substantial bureaucracy (I presume), that would risk creating a power vacuum.

But a "Qunari attack" on *some* banns that I happen to think are more stupid than average would be an interesting pretext. Actually, Redcliffe Castle would be a nice target, if I can think of a reason why the qunari would attack that and how believable it would be. 

Easy. Just have one of their sacred artifacts end up in Eamon's private colelction.

[Giggles_Manically]

I would get a loyal bann who is stupid through slight pushes start to gather other stupid banns to fight the crown.

Have them meet in Denerim in a warehouse then destroy it.
Say that they were buying Qunari powder to over throw the monarch.
Things went bad, then exploded.

Then you have the problem that their family would take over the Bann by default, but you could simply court the heirs to make them loyal and get them on your side.

I think the Bannorn is a somewhat good idea in that in can check an overly abusive king like the one Sophia Dryden fought against, but it does create many problems.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I think the Bannorn is a somewhat good idea in that in can check an overly abusive king like the one Sophia Dryden fought against, but it does create many problems.

Which is why I am reluctant to completely destroy it. Just restructure it so that it does not become a constant nuisance to the stability and peace of the country.  A major part of this, I think, lies in large scale demilitarization of the Banns, as their armies are half their power.

And since they can't be trusted to look out for their people and their nation more than their petty squabbles, their armies are put to better use to defend Ferelden's borders and bolster its weak crown.

I think a number of Banns, however, would have to be eliminated. There's too many small time Banns, some of them should be consolidated into a larger ones. You really don't need that many uncontrollable idiots  with power.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I think the Bannorn is a somewhat good idea in that in can check an overly abusive king like the one Sophia Dryden fought against, but it does create many problems.

That can be done much better with an actual parliament with "commoners" that earn their place. And with laws. Not overglorified landowners. But since I'm envisioning a bicameral system in Ferelden, the banns can have the upper house. 

@ Skadi.
lol yea that could work.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 31 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[Glorfindel709]

My warden never really had any plans to continue working in Fereldens government until the Chantry was dealth with.

As a blood mage, he knew that he would never be allowed to take a role in government with the Chantry having such a strong hold on Fereldens people and the government..... so the Chantry is the first thing that needs to go in my world.

[Giggles_Manically]

Its funny that Fereldan does not seem to take nobility all that seriously.

Put Anora on the throne... and everyone is cool with that.


Also I am starting my young Loghain Hawke for DA2 tonight.
Sword and Sheild Warrior, with mostly serious responses, and just a bit of that good old Loghain snark.

[Giggles_Manically]

Also I will be playing Maric Hawke as well.

Who will mostly be diplomatic, but with some snark and seriousness at the end.

[Costin_Razvan]

There is no Loghain without Simon T.

[Giggles_Manically]

True.

Still though male Hawke has a nice voice.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Its funny that Fereldan does not seem to take nobility all that seriously.

Put Anora on the throne... and everyone is cool with that.

Well, it's actually part of a weird dichotomy in Fereldan attitudes IMO. On the one hand, they're proud of the fact that their sovereigns are chosen by the Bannorn and have to "earn" their status rather than being born to it, but on the other hand there are a number of nobles who are willing to give the throne to an untried king in a time of crisis just because he has some Theirin blood in him. Also, when you talk to Ser Bryant in Lothering about Loghain making himself Regent, he admits that a number of the Banns have a problem with that and when you ask him why, the first reason he gives is that Loghain is a commoner.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 31 mars 2011 - 10:00 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Yet Loghain, even as a commoner who is clueless about politics, is probably mroe fit for the task than the majority of the Bannoron.

[Addai]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Its funny that Fereldan does not seem to take nobility all that seriously.

Put Anora on the throne... and everyone is cool with that.

Well, it's actually part of a weird dichotomy in Fereldan attitudes IMO. On the one hand, they're proud of the fact that their sovereigns are chosen by the Bannorn and have to "earn" their status rather than being born to it, but on the other hand there are a number of nobles who are willing to give the throne to an untried king in a time of crisis just because he has some Theirin blood in him. Also, when you talk to Ser Bryant in Lothering about Loghain making himself Regent, he admits that a number of the Banns have a problem with that and when you ask him why, the first reason he gives is that Loghain is a commoner.

It's not that different than the Carolingian kings, who were ethnically Germanic and had those traditions but who self-consciously adopted the Roman emperor model and the mantle of holiness they thought it would give them to distinguish themselves from the competition (and they were right about that).  Their instincts were the old Germanic ways, but the structure and conceits they adopted were borrowed from Rome.  Fereldans are imitating empire nations like Orlais while still trying to retain some of their native Avvar traditions.

[Addai]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Also I am starting my young Loghain Hawke for DA2 tonight.
Sword and Sheild Warrior, with mostly serious responses, and just a bit of that good old Loghain snark.

Boulton is good, but Templeman would be epic.

Hawke to all the Kirkwall nutters:  We must attend to reality!

[KnightofPhoenix]

All this Loghain love makes me sick. He's nothing more than a murderous brutal tyrant. Evil with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He killed Ferelden's brightest star, mighty king Cailan.

The only one worse than him is that fraud rat Bhelen.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 avril 2011 - 05:31 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

And he was totally going to have his daughter killed, too. His own daughter! Nothing was beyond the scope of his madness and lust for power.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

And he was totally going to have his daughter killed, too. His own daughter! Nothing was beyond the scope of his madness and lust for power.

Actually, that would have been a redeeming quality, if he succeeded.

Anora was a b**** who was holding Cailan back. Ferelden would have been in ruins if she ruled on her own without Cailan being the voice of reason and understanding.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Actually, that would have been a redeeming quality, if he succeeded.

Anora was a b**** who was holding Cailan back. Ferelden would have been in ruins if she ruled on her own without Cailan being the voice of reason and understanding.

That's a good point. And she was barren as well. I was so hoping that Cailan would marry Empress Celene. I do so love a royal wedding. And Wynne was right --at least there would have been peace.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Her uterus was obviously under-developed and incapable of carrying Cailan's glorious seed.

And yes, peace, love and equality without distracting material considerations that are the focus of evil people only, should be the goal of any reasonable brilliant leader. Cailan was truly ahead of his time. Almost like Maric.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Her uterus was obviously under-developed and incapable of carrying Cailan's glorious seed.

I think it was the Maker's judgment, personally. No common Mac Tir blood to sully the glorious Theirin line!

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 01 avril 2011 - 05:44 .