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[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And I have to say, when it comes to DLCs, the sheer amount of detail and fun those of ME2 have, not only make those of Origins look bad, but quite frankly insulting. And before, I felt that DA2 was as good as ME2. I am quickly changing my opinion to ME2 being much better.

OMG, totally.

On the DLC aspect, ME2 is superior to anything else.

As for which game is better... I'm too conflicted. Unlike most here, I actually feel that DA2 is superior to Origins on many important aspects (gameplay, PC VO, companion quests and interaction), but Origins is a more polished product (and has a much nicer soundtrack). Had DA2 spent some 6 more months in development though (and didn't rehash locations and had a more consistent soundtrack) I would unequivocally call it a better game (IMO of course). As it is... I'm torn.

With ME is easy, ME2 > ME1... by MILES. Hell, I knew I would like ME2 better after only 10 minutes of playing it. Yeah I know, another unpopular opinion amongst everyone here, but whatever.

Comparing both franchises... gah, I really couldn't say. I like them both for what they are and can't really say that I like one over the other.

CalJones wrote...



Ah, if only...

Archer Garrus might be TOO awesome for the game. The universe might implode or something.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 17 avril 2011 - 11:10 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I prefered DAO because I found it more immersive, having a silent, uncanned character. I like being able to play a character whose life, habits, opinions, and personality are mostly left to my imagination.

Full voiced characters, characters predefined, ect, kinda ruin it for me. I liked ME for the tech aspect, as well as the lore and sci-fi universe, as well as pretty meorable and amusing squadmates.

My favorites being Garrus (naturally), Legion, Wrex, Tali, Jack, and Mordin.

[Zjarcal]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I prefered DAO because I found it more immersive, having a silent, uncanned character. I like being able to play a character whose life, habits, opinions, and personality are mostly left to my imagination.

Eh, for me having a PC with VO doesn't mean I can't have that. After all, even with a silent PC I'm still constrained to whatever dialogue lines the game makes me choose from (they will never present me with the dialogue choices I'd really want). Or be forced to make decisions I wouldn't want otherwise (i.e. saving Eamon in Origins).

I understand why some prefer the silent PC of course, but after playing both DA2 and the ME games, it's something I don't want to go back to ever.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 avril 2011 - 01:15 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
Eh, for me having a PC with VO doesn't mean I can't have that. After all, even with a silent PC I'm still constrained to whatever dialogue lines the game makes me choose from (they will never present me with the dialogue choices I'd really want). Or be forced to make decisions I wouldn't want otherwise (i.e. saving Eamon in Origins).

I personally paraphrase within reasonable limits.


Both systems have their pros and cons. I personally lean more towards silent, but that said my experience in Origins has taught me how to RP properly, and I find myself capable of doing that in ME1 and 2. And I have more space to RP in ME than I initially thought. In fact, I love my Anton Shepard lol. More than Gabriel Hawke.  Not as much as Arcturus and Dain of course, but who can ever beat those two?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 avril 2011 - 02:56 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Eh, for me having a PC with VO doesn't mean I can't have that. After all, even with a silent PC I'm still constrained to whatever dialogue lines the game makes me choose from (they will never present me with the dialogue choices I'd really want). Or be forced to make decisions I wouldn't want otherwise (i.e. saving Eamon in Origins).

I personally paraphrase within reasonable limits.

I also do that.

It helps make sense of moments where I really don't like the way the dialogue is written. I also don't have a problem imagining a voiced PC saying something slightly different so long as it makes sense within the situation.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Both systems have their pros and cons. I personally lean more towards silent, but that said my experience in Origins has taught me how to RP properly, and I find myself capable of doing that in ME1 and 2. And I have more space to RP in ME than I initially thought. In fact, I love my Anton Shepard lol. More than Gabriel Hawke.  Not as much as Arcturus and Dain of course, but who can ever beat those two?

LOL! This reminds me, we know nothing (well, at least I don't) of Anton Shepard. What's he like?

I myself love all my three main characters (Dana from Origins, Caroline from ME, and Ciera from DA2) the same. They all feel like my children, I simply couldn't pick between them. Honestly, I've never felt restricted in terms of how much personality I can inject into them, regardless of whether I'm dealing with player VO or not.

Regarding how much space to RP a game gives you, even if you're not given much, I've never felt that to be a constraint in terms of creating a unique character. For example, Awakening doesn't give you much RP depth (there are so few choices to make in there) and I've still come up with some pretty unique Orlesians there, even if their games all play out very similarly.

But as I said, I understand that not everyone will feel the same way regarding this issue (particularly the player VO thing) and won't argue against that.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 avril 2011 - 03:18 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
I also do that.

It helps make sense of moments where I really don't like the way the dialogue is written. I also don't have a problem imagining a voiced PC saying something slightly different so long as it makes sense within the situation.

I sometimes even imagine the tone of voice, mannerisms and body language....
The flirty dialogue is especially embarrasing

LOL! This reminds me, we know nothing (well, at least I don't) of Anton Shepard. What's he like?

Oh long story, might write a blog about it. I am somewhat basing him on myself (not as much as Arcturus. But his chocies are mostly what I woul have done and the long term goal is similar). He's a colonist, ruthless background. Since his parents were killed in a batarian funded pirate raid, I thought it made sense for him to be very ruthless on Torfan. That said, I rp that while he thinks what he did was necessary, he wants to improve and not lose any more good men. Alenko's death was as such especially hard on him. Unlike before, he felt it was his personal failure. 

And I brought this to ME2, where he is especially focused on keeping everyone alive. He is still willing to sacrifice if needed, but he wouldnt' take it as lightly as before. He learned the dangers of making something personal (yea that's kind of me right there).

He is a paragade. In ME1, he is slightly more renegade than paragon. In ME2, so far he is slightly more paragon than renegade, and will end that way unless keeping the collector base gives a huge renegade boost.

He's very much into human interests, being a victim of the weakness of humanity to defend itself as a child. But he is no supremacist and despite his sympathies, doesn't fully trust Cerberus (hence keeping the dangerous data that could weaken cerberus to himself just in case). He is ambitious for his species and aims for human hegemony, but with coordination with alien allies. He's too attached to his alien companions to be a bigot.

And I could write a lot more, vis a vis each decision and each companion / npc. I am actually surprised at how much I could rp with him. I even brought twists of my own to certain side quests.

Regarding how much space to RP a game gives you, even if you're not given much, I've never felt that to be a constraint in terms of creating a unique character. For example, Awakening doesn't give you much RP depth (there are so few choices to make in there) and I've still come up with some pretty unique Orlesians there, even if their games all play out very similarly.

I found Awakening to be very juicy in political RPing space lol. Slightly more so than Origins in fact. That's why I am in the minority that loves Awakening. Plus, there were interesting companions.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 18 avril 2011 - 03:45 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And I brought this to ME2, where he is especially focused on keeping everyone alive. He is still willing to sacrifice if needed, but he wouldnt' take it as lightly as before. He learned the dangers of making something personal (yea that's kind of me right there).

Heh, it seems both our Shepards "soften up" in ME2, although for somewhat different reasons.

In ME1 Caroline was as a ruthless "whatever it takes to get the job done" type of character. The akuze incident (sole-survivor background) made her a cold and harsh person, one who felt that it wasn't worth it to get attached to anything she may end up losing. Hence she had no problem treating everything and everyone as disposable so long as it helped in achieving the greater good. She didn't even blink when leaving Kaidan to die in Virmiire.

But after dying and coming back to life in ME2, well, things just changed for her. It was like she felt the need to make the most out of every experience she had from now on because she wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place. Hence she ended up developing a strong bond with all her squadmates, as opposed to ME1 where she only viewed them as subservients, but not as friends.

She still kept most of her ruthless streak though (she's still more renegade than paragon although the gap is much closer now) and would still make whatever sacrifice was necessary for the greater good, but just like with Anton, she didn't take it so lightly this time.

And her views on Cerberus are largely the same. Though I still haven't decided if she'll keep the Collector Base or not when I replay ME2. And I will openly admit that the reason for this is incredibly shallow... it's all due to the way Miranda stands for Shepard against TIM, I really like getting that at the end when you refuse to keep the base.

Yeah, I know. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I found Awakening to be very juicy in political RPing space lol. Slightly more so than Origins in fact. That's why I am in the minority that loves Awakening. Plus, there were interesting companions.

I actually do like Awakening too. I've created four Orlesians just for it (six actually but the other two I don't really care for). I just wish there had been more chances to make choices during the main quests themselves.

Politically speaking though, you're right, it does have a lot of juciy decisions. This is probably why my bard/assassin Mina's run might be my favorite. Power for herself, at any cost, was her main goal and on that respect, Awakening was good for her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
But after dying and coming back to life in ME2, well, things just changed for her. It was like she felt the need to make the most out of every experience she had from now on because she wasn't even supposed to be there in the first place. Hence she ended up developing a strong bond with all her squadmates, as opposed to ME1 where she only viewed them as subservients, but not as friends.

I like the way you took into consideration how much of an experience it is to die and be revived. That ought to affect anyone's personality. Anton was affected by it as well, though he's not sure how he'd explain it (nor am I lol). He feels somewhat wiser and more prudent. It's almost a spiritual experience of sorts.

But he's still pragmatic at core (I do not view renegade choices as necessarily pragmatic as opposed to paragon, I take each choice individually). And ruthless when need be or when very beneficial. But only then. For the most aprt, he tries to be dilpomatic, though unlike Arcturus, he's slightly easier to irritate (I base Arcturus more on me in this regard, I am hard to irritate).

And her views on Cerberus are largely the same. Though I still haven't decided if she'll keep the Collector Base or not when I replay ME2. And I will openly admit that the reason for this is incredibly shallow... it's all due to the way Miranda stands for Shepard against TIM, I really like getting that at the end when you refuse to keep the base.

Yeah, I know. 

Well this is a certain amount of power in making someone who was seemingly almost fanatically loyal to TIM turn on him that easily. But...yea...

I am still undecided vis a vis romance. He romanced Ashely. Probably loves her (he is not 100% sure himself). But she accused him of treason and he didnèt take that too kindly. At that moment, I was certain he would romance Miranda, as the constant pressure and the thought of him and Ash being over (sure sounded like it), would have pushed him to give in. But Ash sent a nice email and now I am not so sure. Well...even the mail kind of hinted they are over, but she apologizedm said she didnèt wnato lose him and called him Skipper

So I don't know. Even if he romanced Miranda, it would not be out of love, even though he does like her (she like Ash is his type).  More like to sate an emotional and physical need after a rather unusual and hard personal experience. It would certainly add more drama to the story. 

Perhaps it would make Anton realize that having too much affection in a time like this is holding him back?

That's the benefit of ME being a trilogy. It is connected with the previous game and relationships (not as much as it could have been, but still wth enough RPing, it is). And it makes for hard dilmma for htings that are seemingly mundane, like who Shepard gets to screw before the suicide mission.

Politically speaking though, you're right, it does have a lot of juciy decisions. This is probably why my bard/assassin Mina's run might be my favorite. Power for herself, at any cost, was her main goal and on that respect, Awakening was good for her.

I am intrigued. Pictures? :happy:

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Perhaps it would make Anton realize that having too much affection in a time like this is holding him back?

I could see that, especially if he felt it was making him lose focus on his main goal. Plus deh dramaz...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
That's the benefit of ME being a trilogy. It is connected with the previous game and relationships (not as much as it could have been, but still wth enough RPing, it is). And it makes for hard dilmma for htings that are seemingly mundane, like who Shepard gets to screw before the suicide mission.

Totally agreed. Not that I wanted for DA to also be a trilogy like that, but there are a lot of benefits in keeping things tightly connected.

And you're right, the pre suicide mission shagfest is one of the most importan decisions! So long as you don't pick the prize... 

I am intrigued. Pictures? :happy:

Hehe, I imagined you would be. I actually used Marjolaine as a bit of inspiration for her. She only cares about one thing in life, herself.  She's the only character of mine who was actually enthusiast about taking on the Warden Commander and Arlessa roles. It was the perfect opportunity to gain power and estabish a reputation that allowed her to get away with most of her questionable actions. She wasn't above making corrupt deals (like siding with the smugglers), but her smooth talking and bardic talents helped her keep everyone at bay with their suspicions and accusations. She wasn't careless with her role (she had to guard her reputation after all), but no decision was made without making sure it would benefit her personally first.

Despicable fact of hers? When she saw the city of Amaranthine being attacked by darkspawn her main concern wasn't the fate of the city itself, but the fact that she was gonna loose on her income from the smuggler's deal... she still chose to save the Keep though, it was too imporatnt to be left unguarded (plus she hadn't done all the upgrades since she was too greedy to pay Voldrik the 80 sovereigns).

Piccies!

[KnightofPhoenix]

The dangerous kind of noble. Almost like Howe

But she is interesting and she looks Orlesian for some reason. In fact she almost looks like a snake lol. Which is fitting. Playing Awakening with her would be a blast.

[Giggles_Manically]

I love Mass Effect for how polished and well put toghther it is.
Plays nice, and is very fun.

My personal Shepard is a Colonist-War Hero.
He did not hold out because he was brave.... but because he despises Batarians so much.
Leading to him blowing Balak away without a second thought.

[Costin_Razvan]

My cannon Shepard is a Earthborn Ruthless bastard.

My second Shepard is a female Spacer War Hero.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

My only shepherd was a colonist/sole survivor. Cuz I like playing characters with serious mental issues. Pretty much paragaded my way through ME1, playing both sides of the coin, but ME2's renegade interrupts were just too damn awesome to refuse. So I pretty much went full blown red in ME2, though I definitely got rid of the scary scar/glowy red terminator eyes.

I don't need to look like stitched up evil golem cyborg to let the galaxy know I'm a ruthless, cold blooded biatch. Simply being in my presence should let them know I'm a psychpath on a mission.

[Costin_Razvan]

So...watched Game of Thrones pilot.

My opinion? Meeh, a really solid meh.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

What's Game of Thrones? New game of some sort?

[Costin_Razvan]

Game of Thrones is an epic book ( and now turned into fail TV show ) of the A song of Ice and Fire book series.

The series are by far the most realistic Medieval Fantasy series I have ever read, they deal deeply into politics, the mindset of the people living in such an era, the loyalty ( or lack of it ) from the nobles, a civil war in a Kingdom after the usuper King dies ( said King having conquered the land from the rightful ruler ).

Then there is a little girl ( the only remaining member of the former royal bloodline ) on the other side of the sea becoming the greatest warlord and planning to retake her throne. Oh and she has dragons.

The writers of Dragon Age drew a lot of inspiration from the series for Origins...of course the story of Origins doesn't come even close to 1/10 of the story of the books, so go figure.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

My only shepherd was a colonist/sole survivor. Cuz I like playing characters with serious mental issues. Pretty much paragaded my way through ME1, playing both sides of the coin, but ME2's renegade interrupts were just too damn awesome to refuse. So I pretty much went full blown red in ME2, though I definitely got rid of the scary scar/glowy red terminator eyes.

I don't need to look like stitched up evil golem cyborg to let the galaxy know I'm a ruthless, cold blooded biatch. Simply being in my presence should let them know I'm a psychpath on a mission.

I kept mine.    I figured my Shepard was insulted at Cerberus being able to fix her face but not the alien crew members', so she refused treatment.  She's an earthborn sole survivor renegon.  By the end of the game, she got a bit of a facelift from cooperating with Legion.

I liked the Game of Thrones pilot a lot.  They changed some things and condensed a lot, but overall it has a great cast and I thought they landed the adaptation pretty well.  GRRM worked closely with the production.

[Costin_Razvan]

I liked the Game of Thrones pilot a lot. They changed some things and condensed a lot, but overall it has a great cast and I thought they landed the adaptation pretty well. GRRM worked closely with the production.

I didn't like how they changed Catelyn.

At all.

Besides that yes, it is good.

I am curios though Addai, what did your Shepard make of Cerberus?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 avril 2011 - 04:15 .

[Addai]

Yeah Catelyn is the one casting decision I don't understand. She's supposed to be a lightly aging beauty queen and there's supposed to be some sizzle between her and Ned, and they made them a frumpy middle aged couple. That one scene with Maester Luwin, she's supposed to be naked, for instance. Maybe they thought there were already too many bare boobs for one episode.

All the kids are spot on, and I loved Viserys. I'll get used to Dany not looking as waifish as I pictured her since the actress is good.

[Addai]

Oh, Cerberus... I figure my Shepard cooperated with them but never trusted them. I hardly ever took Miranda and Jacob out on missions and resented they were always shoved in your face during debriefs. But, playing a pragmatic character, I did keep the Collector base. When TIM turns on her, it won't be any big shock. An earthborn character would expect no less from just about anyone.

[Costin_Razvan]

My issues with Catelyn ( besides what you mention ) was her reaction to Robert offering Ned the Hand of the King position.

In the books she was VERY much for it, but in the movie she is against? WTF.

Also, wasn't Danny supposed to be a brunette? ( Maybe my memory is failing me ).

[Addai]

Er... Catelyn was against Ned becoming Hand in the books, too. At least that's how I recall it. She warned him that it would be a disaster and wanted him to stay at home and be father to his kids.

All the Targaryens are silver haired with violet eyes.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Should I watch this game of thrones or not?

[Costin_Razvan]

Er...no she did not.

To quote her from the book when Ned said he was going to refuse.

[quote] “I will refuse him,” Ned said as he turned back to her. His eyes were haunted, his voice thick with doubt.
Catelyn sat up in the bed. “You cannot. You must not.”
“My duties are here in the north. I have no wish to be Robert’s Hand.”
“He will not understand that. He is a king now, and kings are not like other men. If you refuse to serve him, he will wonder why, and sooner or later he will begin to suspect that you oppose him. Can’t you see the danger that would put us in?”
Ned shook his head, refusing to believe. “Robert would never harm me or any of mine. We were closer than brothers. He loves me. If I refuse him, he will roar and curse and bluster, and in a week we will laugh about it together. I know the man!”
“You knew the man,” she said. “The king is a stranger to you.” Catelyn remembered the direwolf dead in the snow, the broken antler lodged deep in her throat. She had to make him see. “Pride is everything to a king, my lord. Robert came all this way to see you, to bring you these great honors, you cannot throw them back in his face.”
“Honors?” Ned laughed bitterly. [quote]

[Costin_Razvan]

Knight: I suggest reading the books.