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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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Finally, Chapter 9 of "The Hand We're Dealt" is up. Did not think I would have to keep mentally prying Anders out of my head, but I did it for long enough to go back and update Loghain dearest. Posted Image

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Well this is making me want to dump Kotor and go straight for the Witcher....

But naah, Bastila was literally the first video game romance I've ever played, and now I can remember why. Nostalgia :wub:


Mine was....Disciple.

Yeah I seriously played a FEMALE character in my first ever RPG ( well I had played Diablo 1 and 2 but they didn't have story choies so ).

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 I had a little bit of time to work on that drawing I was doing...added in some of the details and such after redrawing his legs. Something still seems weird though...I think it has to do with the perspective. Also probably need to make his boots a tad bit larger.
(Links to bigger version, I didn't want to post it too big since it's a long drawing...)

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Bitenomnom wrote...

 I had a little bit of time to work on that drawing I was doing...added in some of the details and such after redrawing his legs. Something still seems weird though...I think it has to do with the perspective. Also probably need to make his boots a tad bit larger.
(Links to bigger version, I didn't want to post it too big since it's a long drawing...)

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I love it!  It is shaping up very nicely.  I'm so jealous.

I was creating Loghain tonight, too.  :wizard:  Mr Addai bought Sims Medieval and decided to make Loghain my monarch.  I made him Dedicated, Morose and Loves Family.  I'll make an Ellie and Gareth eventually, too, but didn't get out of the tutorial.  I don't think this is going to be my game- can't believe what a time waster it is! lol  But it was fun.

Loghain is being awkward!

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Loghain beating up on a bandit

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Loghain getting into the bath- sadly bleeped!  I love that Kevin the Builder has a Disapprove sign over his head (because Loghain wouldn't pay for the town football match out of the royal treasury)- but he's looking straight at the good king's bum.

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Thank you!

Bahaha. XD That's delightful.
I think I played the original Sims a little bit, some years ago, but never really got into it. Keep meaning to try it again, but, like I need more things to spend time on...

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I still play the Sims 1, with all my original neighborhoods. That game was a friggin classic I've never gotten tired of. The twisted fun that can be had with that game never ends.

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Well I might just get Medieval Sims then...

Might being the operative word here. I played Sims 1 for a LONG time, epic game and hell one of the very few computer games I could get my mother to play, but bleh every game after that has felt like fail.

Anyway off-topic, but am working on a brand new video ( and once it's done I think will install Origins and finally make my Loghain tribute ), check a sample here:

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 mai 2011 - 12:14 .


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@Bitenomnom, excellent work :)

There really needs to be more artwork for Loghain.

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DragonRacer13 wrote...

Finally, Chapter 9 of "The Hand We're Dealt" is up. Did not think I would have to keep mentally prying Anders out of my head, but I did it for long enough to go back and update Loghain dearest. Posted Image


Just had to put him in tight clothes, didn't you? :devil::innocent:

Nice. Love the little exchange of "secret" gift-ordering and poor Varathorn in the middle. And Loghain loosening up a bit, despite his trousers. :P

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Finally, Chapter 9 of "The Hand We're Dealt" is up. Did not think I would have to keep mentally prying Anders out of my head, but I did it for long enough to go back and update Loghain dearest. Posted Image


Just had to put him in tight clothes, didn't you? :devil::innocent:

Nice. Love the little exchange of "secret" gift-ordering and poor Varathorn in the middle. And Loghain loosening up a bit, despite his trousers. :P


There's been enough past talk of Loghain in tight, leather pants that It Had To Be Done. Posted Image

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So several of you are Sims players, interesting. I used to play Sim City because I have a bit of an interest in city planning, but I couldn't even do that for very long. Tedious. The one negative thing I've heard others say about the medieval one is that once your quests are done, you can't continue to play the kingdom.

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LMAO Addai! Sims Medieval might be one to consider given that I don't think DA2 will keep busy for quite as long as I'd hoped (grumble).

Nothing wrong with Loghain in tight clothing. And wet Loghain is even better. Mmhmm.
Just a little note to you nice ladies on the western side of the Atlantic - I know Fereldan is not strictly England but seeing as the VAs are mostly British, we don't use "gotten" here at all. It's just "got".

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CalJones wrote...

Nothing wrong with Loghain in tight clothing. And wet Loghain is even better. Mmhmm.


No complaints on that here either. B)

Just a little note to you nice ladies on the western side of the Atlantic - I know Fereldan is not strictly England but seeing as the VAs are mostly British, we don't use "gotten" here at all. It's just "got".


Where? [*scans fic for misbegotten "gotten"s*]

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CalJones wrote...

LMAO Addai! Sims Medieval might be one to consider given that I don't think DA2 will keep busy for quite as long as I'd hoped (grumble).
 

Yeah me either.  Sad.  Witcher 2 comes out on May 17th (preorders get a preview on May 10th that's almost the whole game) so that will be my next preoccupation.  It's gonna be a long haul to Nov. 11th and Skyrim.

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Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

LMAO Addai! Sims Medieval might be one to consider given that I don't think DA2 will keep busy for quite as long as I'd hoped (grumble).
 

Yeah me either.  Sad.  Witcher 2 comes out on May 17th (preorders get a preview on May 10th that's almost the whole game) so that will be my next preoccupation.  It's gonna be a long haul to Nov. 11th and Skyrim.


Really, a preview? Good thing I preordered it then ;)

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I wonder if pre-ordering on steam counts for that.

I do hope so heh.

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Oh and I made my ME video...after 10 hours of work.

One would think making a 2 min clip would be easy work, like hell it is!

Let's Play Mass Effect 3 [Insanity] - Fanmade Trailer.

Next up Loghain tribute! ( but after some sleep )

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It could just be at GOG.com, and I think I misunderstood that you won't be able to play until the 17th, but you can pre-download so that on release day all you'll need is a little widget to turn the game on.

When can I download The Witcher 2?

You will be able to predownload the game on May 10, 2011. You'll get almost the entire game and, on May 16 at 10:00 PM GMT, you will only need to download a tiny chunk of the installer and you're good to go. You can't possibly get your hands on The Witcher 2 faster anywhere else on the Internet.
Of course you'll be able to redownload the game as many times as you like, should the need arise.


On topic:  I played a bit of Return to Ostagar with Loghain and Wynne.  Best dialogue, much better than the stilted "humor" between Wynne and Alistair.

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I bet 100 bucks someone cracks the game by the 17th...

Unless they used a system like in Starcraft 2, shrug.

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Duncan is one of my favourite characters, and to my Warden, her saviour. I instantly admired King Cailen, even though he seemed a bit foolish.Then Loghain deserted them and they died. First blow.

Seeing how upset Alistair was, and remained, was also quite heartbreaking. 

The first explanation to why he deserted was from Flemeth, which was simply 'probably because he wanted power', which I believed.

Then I find out he passed the blame onto the Wardens.

Then Arl Eamon, which I had heard only good about and was crucial to helping agasint the Blight... was posioned by him.

Oh and also he's started up a civil war, in the middle of a damned Blight.

And sent assassians after me, as if the bounty hunters wern't enough.

And sold the innocent elves into slavery.

And his daughter is traitorous power-hungry ****. 
Who, may I add, he had imprisioned and tried to kill, despite the fact she obviously loves him.

And by the Landsmeet it was obvious he was dangerously insane.

I didn't realise there was any other choice other than painting the floor with his entrails.

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Addai67 wrote...
On topic:  I played a bit of Return to Ostagar with Loghain and Wynne.  Best dialogue, much better than the stilted "humor" between Wynne and Alistair.


Yea, I tried it for the lolz, but it was so weird and bordering on disturbing that I found nothing luzlie about it. It was a wtf moment. And not the pleasant wtf kind of moment like Triss in Witcher.

But eh, after playing ME2 DLCs, those in Origins feel so inadequate that I don't wnat to try them again. The lack of effort is painful.

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Yes. The latest ME2 DLC is a little low key but Overlord and Shadowbroker (and also the two NPC dlcs) were fantastic. The contrast between the ME and Origins DLCs is embarrassing.

@yaw - there's a lot more to it than first impressions. It's worth digging deeper, if you care enough to do so. For instance, if you recruit Loghain you can find out through conversation (and a Loghain banter with Shale) that he never had any intention of killing Anora - he loves his daughter, even though she turned on him.

Eamon is also not the nice upstanding man you're lead to believe, but someone who has mistreated Alistair and used him to further his own aims.

Anora, meanwhile, is quite ruthless but she has been running the country while Cailan was galivanting about, pretending to be a hero. He is vain man and an adulterer who is also prepared to sell his own country down the river to make an alliance with Orlais. Fereldan is much better off without him.

The Origins story goes a lot deeper than one playthrough can do justice to.

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yaw wrote...

Duncan is one of my favourite characters, and to my Warden, her saviour. I instantly admired King Cailen, even though he seemed a bit foolish.Then Loghain deserted them and they died. First blow.

Seeing how upset Alistair was, and remained, was also quite heartbreaking. 

The first explanation to why he deserted was from Flemeth, which was simply 'probably because he wanted power', which I believed.

Flemeth is a manipulator.  A bit of skepticism is warranted.

Though Duncan is a pretty good guy, the Wardens themselves are no shining knights.  It's hard to see that when you play one and are obviously "the hero," but they have a very checkered past and by no means just distant past.  Anyway, from Loghain's POV what he was doing was necessary for the good of the country.  You can say that about pretty much all of his decisions, and from a certain POV he's right.  You don't have to agree, but there is more to the story than black and white.

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Addai67 wrote...

Anyway, from Loghain's POV what he was doing was necessary for the good of the country.  You can say that about pretty much all of his decisions, and from a certain POV he's right.  You don't have to agree, but there is more to the story than black and white.


Also, it's not like he returned to Denerim from Ostagar and said "Right, I shall now start a demoralizing and resource-sapping civil war as part of my evil plot of evilness, mwahahahaha." Actually his intention was to unite the country in its time of crisis, and to do it as quickly as possible, choosing his daughter as the most capable (and reigning) Queen and himself as the best man for the job of reorganizing the available resources for defense against the Darkspawn and, yes, the Orlesians. The civil war happened because (a) the Banns didn't take kindly to being ordered about by a commoner as though he were their commanding officer, (B) he failed to recognize that the Banns weren't his soldiers and wouldn't just follow orders, nor respond favorably to being punished for insubordination, and © a couple of surviving Grey Wardens were roaming the country making incendiary pests of themselves and giving the already-discontented Banns another banner behind which to rally. Again, you could debate the actual size of the Orlesian threat or the ill-considered manner in which Loghain chose to conduct
himself, but to say "he started a civil war" would be an error.

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But eh, after playing ME2 DLCs, those in Origins feel so inadequate that I don't wnat to try them again. The lack of effort is painful.


I was quite thrilled by the excuses of DA:O team in regards to their DLC reusing locations...especially since at the time we had Overlord, Zaeed and Kasumi out.

Then the ME team got the Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival out...that silenced anything the Dragon Age team had in excuses.

Permanently

It's pathetic really, Awakening should have come out after spending 1 more year in development and Dragon Age 2 should have taken at least 2 more years to make.

The Witcher 2 has spent at least 3 years in development dedicated for it alone ( though one can speculate they also worked in TW2 while making the enhanced edition ).