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[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Knight: I think unresponsive commands equals not being able to block because of no vigor for most people.

A limitation I wholeheartedly approve of. I hate games where you can just block indefinitely.
That said, it makes blocking useless  unless you invest in vigor points and counter-kill.

@ Dragonracer.
I think a console version was announced actually. Or is it still hinted at?

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 juin 2011 - 11:32 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Why the random, back-handed slap to people who play video games on something other than their PC? Is that really necessary?

*drags knuckles across ground as I head off to work*

Because making a multi-platform game is something that costs quite a lot of money. DA2 had double the budget of TW2 just so we are clear...(and I don't need to say it which is the FAR better game ) and quite a lot of the budget was spent making the game work on all the platforms.

If you wanna talk about back handed slaps...let's about all those titles that had PC versions before...and in the sequels where limited to consoles only ( Mortal Kombat, Halo, Gears of War pop in my mind instantly ).

The game does have full support for an Xbox controlled when it is used on a PC however.

Knight: I wouldn't say it's useless, but using Quen makes a hell lot more sense. Still blocking will mean that after you block you can do a quick strike to get past enemy defenses.

I really do bloody hope CD Projekt doesn't cave in at all to the demands of those players who couldn't grasp the combat system. For me it was a masterpiece and I hope they keep the trend with the Witcher 3.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 juin 2011 - 11:40 .

[Addai]

Ah yes, more of the "don't complain just because you're such a n00b" stuff. Well y'all already know that I gave up on the game for the same reasons CalJones and Giggles brought up. It really doesn't help that the fans of the game both here and at gog.com are such arrogant jerks. Part of the fun of a game is discussing it, and that's just less motivation to bother.

I've started a new FNV game, taking advantage of some mods and also playing on hardcore mode which adds realism bits like hunger and dehydration, ammo weight, etc. I'd actually like to write some fanfiction stuff on this character once I finish The Arrangement. The latest DLC was pretty fun and I'm looking forward to the one set in Death Valley that's coming up, since we vacationed there this spring.

[CalJones]

The prologue, as a story (with framed narrative, no less) is fine but it sucks as a tutorial. The first game started you out a little more gently, showing different moves, how to gather ingredients and make potions and so forth, before dumping you out into the world.

With this game, initially I kept dying but once I discovered the Quen sign, fights got a lot more manageable. I'm sure I will enjoy the combat more once I can advance up the tree a bit.

But I strongly dislike the quicktime events (that bloody dragon on the bridge drove me nuts). I also find a lot of it unintuitive and it's only my memory of the last game that has given me a clue as to how to work signs, meditate and so forth.

I want to get into the story, but right now I'm fumbling with everything from trying to navigate the bloody forests outside Flotsam to knowing what I'm supposed to do with all these chunks of iron ore and boards I seem to have picked up.

DA2 had a lot of problems but at least the mechanics were good, the interface intuitive and it was very easy to pick up and play.

[CalJones]

@Addai - yes, I'll go back to FNV fairly soon and play the new DLC. I miss kicking around with Boone and popping people in the head. Damn I love sniping!

I did the hardcore mode on my second run and it's interesting. It wasn't quite as difficult as I'd imagine, but I was on normal mode.

I haven't been to Death Valley but I know when I went to DC after playing Fallout 3 I geeked out rather at the Lincoln Memorial and stuff. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for that reason.

[Costin_Razvan]

Ah yes, more of the "don't complain just because you're such a n00b" stuff. Well y'all already know that I gave up on the game for the same reasons CalJones and Giggles brought up. It really doesn't help that the fans of the game both here and at gog.com are such arrogant jerks. Part of the fun of a game is discussing it, and that's just less motivation to bother.

Discussion is not complaining the game sucks because you cannot grasp the combat, end of line as Stanley Woo used to say. There is NOTHING that you have said on the Witcher 2 that doesn't follow the line of logic, and nothing that you have said that is an argument and not just your moaning.

CalJones: I don't think the intent was ever for the Prologue to be a tutorial since, as Bioware games have shown time and again, these parts get very tedious quickly if they are ****** easy ( looks at DA:O, DA2, ME1, ME2, KOTOR, Jade Empire. )

As for quicktime events...you can turn them on easy in the gameplay. I have a mixed view on them personally but whatever, they are a small part of the game anyway.

I also find a lot of it unintuitive and it's only my memory of the last game that has given me a clue as to how to work signs, meditate and so forth.

It took me a bit to figure out how to use signs...and that I actually had to get a certain skill to throw daggers...but eh, that's my fault for not bothering to read the manual/journal tutorial page ( which does tell you the basics of combat quite clearly ).

The game doesn't throw a hand for those who can't be bothered to open a journal or read the manual, and frankly I don't think any game should do that. Though the game should probably give a large popup to open the journal to the tutorial page upon starting.

I want to get into the story, but right now I'm fumbling with everything from trying to navigate the bloody forests outside Flotsam to knowing what I'm supposed to do with all these chunks of iron ore and boards I seem to have picked up.

That's one the good things about this game...figuring stuff up on your own. Navigating the forest is quite fun...since it gives the impression that's is huge when in fact it's quite small, but damn if there isn't some good level design for you to get lost in. I spent hours finding my way through it, killing nekkers, endregas, drowners and elves.

There's something very creepy about walking through it at night and seeing giant spiders crawling down from the trees all around it, finding a large scale three way battle between elves,nekkers and drowners and then charging straight in.

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

@Addai - yes, I'll go back to FNV fairly soon and play the new DLC. I miss kicking around with Boone and popping people in the head. Damn I love sniping!

I did the hardcore mode on my second run and it's interesting. It wasn't quite as difficult as I'd imagine, but I was on normal mode.

I haven't been to Death Valley but I know when I went to DC after playing Fallout 3 I geeked out rather at the Lincoln Memorial and stuff. I'm sure you'll enjoy it for that reason.

I play sniper characters, too, and love Boone.  Broody men FTW   This character is a ninja build- sniping and melee.  Melee is a lot of fun in Fallout and FNV has so many unique melee weapons, they seem to be prodding people to make a bruiser.

Hardcore mode isn't difficult, it just makes you roleplay more and think about what you're doing.  It makes crafting and cooking more valuable, and since I love crafting, that's fun.  The DLCs add new recipes and you can also get mods to extend crafting, like to make armor and specialty weapons.  For this PC I'm roleplaying a Great Khan outcast and drug addict, so she also cooks chems and poisons, like any self-respecting Khan would.  The interaction with Boone should be interesting.  That's mostly what I would write about, if I ever do.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Discussion is not complaining the game sucks because you cannot grasp the combat, end of line as Stanley Woo used to say. There is NOTHING that you have said on the Witcher 2 that doesn't follow the line of logic, and nothing that you have said that is an argument and not just your moaning.

What you're missing is that it's not a matter of "cannot."  It's "do not want."  I'm not trying to argue and don't want to- I also don't insult people just because they like what I don't.  It's just a damn game.  The problem with TW2 fans is that if someone doesn't agree it's the greatest game ever made, they're a hater/ n00b/ troll.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
The problem with TW2 fans is that if someone doesn't agree it's the greatest game ever made, they're a hater/ n00b/ troll.

Yes, it's annoying but why are you acting like it's exclusive to TW2 fans?
Many Origins fans were also quite condesending to ME fans and I assume vice versa. Dare I say, RPG fans in general are often elitist in attitude.

This is just normal, standard and pretty much universal.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 juin 2011 - 02:12 .

[Zjarcal]

Personally I love it when games kick my ass... if I'm playing on the harder difficulties. In my view, easy settings should always be as easy as possible for anyone to play, or as some call it, it should be "story mode".

I don't know if TW2 is too difficult even on easy (I haven't played it nor will I ever play it). If it really is too difficult, or too unintuitive, even on the lowest setting, then I would consider that poor design. But again, I wouldn't know.

Someone mentioned making it clear where the tutorials are available and I would agree. Part of the frustration in complex games is not that they are complex, but that they don't even bother to tell you were to search for the basic info.

As for fans... as KoP said, it is a general issue of RPG fans (or anyone niche fandom). The average TW2 fan on the thread on this site is a jerk, but then gain, so are many of the Origins fans who hate DA2 and call anyone who likes it a drooling idiot (coincidentally or not, most of those people are the same actually). And there certainly are more than a few jerky DA2 fans too... let's face it, people suck, trufax.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 03 juin 2011 - 02:56 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

Personally I love it when games kick my ass... if I'm playing on the harder difficulties. In my view, easy settings should always be as easy as possible for anyone to play, or as some call it, it should be "story mode".

I would think those who play easy and still lose a lot, more often then not, play it as a mindless hack and slash. When it requires a different mindset in many fights (in every single fight on hard and more so on insane).

Now that said, I wouldn't mind if they made an even easier difficulty, so long as they do not tamper with my hard difficulty!

The Wanted video game for instance, had a difficulty level called "p*ssy" for example jk

As for fans... as KoP said, it is a general issue of RPG fans (or anyone niche fandom). The average TW2 fan on the thread on this site is a jerk, but then gain, so are many of the Origins fans who hate DA2 and call anyone who likes it a drooling idiot (coincidentally or not, most of those people are the same actually). And there certainly are more than a few jerky DA2 fans too... let's face it, people suck, trufax.

Preach it.

And really, I don't see why someone who is enjoying a game should care what others have to say about it. Or at least have them react in such a fashion.

For instance, you and I have had a large divergence of taste lately. But neither of us jumped on each other for it and we both enjoy our different games. We remained respectful and almost found a way to derail every thread we're in, usually with dirty jokes


Though not questioning why people aren't as awesome as me (...and you...sure....), but I'd be good if they start to be more mature.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 juin 2011 - 04:06 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
The problem with TW2 fans is that if someone doesn't agree it's the greatest game ever made, they're a hater/ n00b/ troll.

Yes, it's annoying but why are you acting like it's exclusive to TW2 fans?
Many Origins fans were also quite condesending to ME fans and I assume vice versa. Dare I say, RPG fans in general are often elitist in attitude.

This is just normal, standard and pretty much universal.

I've never found that to be the case.  I resisted ME for a long time and no one reacted that way, for example.

[CalJones]

The attitude exists in games in general, not just RPGs. People are very quick to call someone a noob.

I'm getting into TW2 a bit more now. I like the game world and characters (although I find it amusing and slightly disturbing that Roche has the same VA as Ser Jory...) As I said, combat difficulty isn't so much an issue - it's more the unintuitive gameplay.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
I've never found that to be the case.  I resisted ME for a long time and no one reacted that way, for example.

Did you go to the Mass Effect section and told them that you don't like the idea?

Considering my experience there, I can almost guarantee you that they would be worse.

[KnightofPhoenix]

CalJones wrote...
As I said, combat difficulty isn't so much an issue - it's more the unintuitive gameplay.

Can you elaborate please? Not trying to refute you or anything. Just genuinely curious. What do you find unintuitive?

[CalJones]

Well, for starters, can you tell me how to read stuff (letters, notes, books) I've picked up? I can't find any information on how to do this.

Also stuff like the mini map rotates so I'm never sure which way I'm heading. If it were fixed I could at least tell where I was going.

Stuff like meditation, signs and brewing potions aren't exactly intuitive either - it's only the fact I had played TW1 that I knew about them.

[Costin_Razvan]

For letters, go to inventory and there is a section for books ( and one for quest items where you might have certain specific letters ) and right click them.

although I find it amusing and slightly disturbing that Roche has the same VA as Ser Jory...)

Did you have to ruin a perfectly good character for me by saying that? I could have gone on without knowing.

 The problem with TW2 fans is that if someone doesn't agree it's the greatest game ever made, they're a hater/ n00b/ troll.

When you go around claiming the combat system is **** not because of imbalance, but because you don't like it's type then what do you expect?

I don't give a crap if someone doesn't like the Witcher 2, I do give a crap if that person ( you in this regard ) comes in the Witcher 2 thread and starts trolling.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 juin 2011 - 10:08 .

[CalJones]

Heh, I tried right clicking - didn't work. I've now messed around and realised I could open the books/letters by pressing space while in the inventory. This is pretty much what I mean by unintuitive.

Don't suppose you know where I can acquire a recipe for beehive bombs?

[Costin_Razvan]

Cedric sells bomb recipes. About the letter might be double left click.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 juin 2011 - 11:32 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
I don't give a crap if someone doesn't like the Witcher 2, I do give a crap if that person ( you in this regard ) comes in the Witcher 2 thread and starts trolling.

Saying something you don't like/ don't agree with =/= trolling.  I've posted very, very little in the TW2 thread since posting my initial impressions- one reminder that people were being ridiculous in dismissing any review that had anything negative in it as biased/ the reviewer is a n00b etc.  Consider that friendly advice against fanboyism.  I don't really give a **** about the game any more.  Life goes on.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
I've never found that to be the case.  I resisted ME for a long time and no one reacted that way, for example.

Did you go to the Mass Effect section and told them that you don't like the idea?

Considering my experience there, I can almost guarantee you that they would be worse.

The ME boards are a strange and silly place.  I'm comparing the reactions of ME fans here to TW2 fans here.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
 I'm comparing the reactions of ME fans here to TW2 fans here.

ME fans, who dislike Origins, are rarely here for us to compare them.

In any case, I am not interested in comparing fandoms and how they behave is completely inconsequential to me when it comes to the actual game. What I was simply saying is that their attitude, while regretable, is not unique. It is pretty much universal.

[Addai]

Well even you were shocked at the reaction I received on the TW2 thread, KoP- and the reaction is typical, not atypical. Witcher fans have an attitude problem IMO.

But enough of that- I don't care, either. I just wish there was something else to do before Skyrim comes out. On the plus side, my wallet will benefit from the greater caution.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I would think those who play easy and still lose a lot, more often then not, play it as a mindless hack and slash. When it requires a different mindset in many fights (in every single fight on hard and more so on insane).

Now that said, I wouldn't mind if they made an even easier difficulty, so long as they do not tamper with my hard difficulty!

Well I honestly wouldn't know, but it's a possibility that they are playing like that. Although I've also heard some people complain about unresponsive controls and overall clunkiness. 

But again, I believe in making a setting for everyone, even if such setting makes it impossible to lose. And just like you, I would hate it if games I love squandered the harder difficulty levels. If I willingly choose hard it's because I want that challenge.

The Wanted video game for instance, had a difficulty level called "p*ssy" for example jk

Hehe!! That reminds of Doom where the descriptions of the easier difficulties mocked you, or the Postal series that actually had like 10 difficulty levels, with the easiest one called "Joe Lieberman". 

Preach it.

And really, I don't see why someone who is enjoying a game should care what others have to say about it. Or at least have them react in such a fashion.

For instance, you and I have had a large divergence of taste lately. But neither of us jumped on each other for it and we both enjoy our different games. We remained respectful and almost found a way to derail every thread we're in, usually with dirty jokes
Though not questioning why people aren't as awesome as me (...and you...sure....), but I'd be good if they start to be more mature.

I certainly don't need validation for the things I like, though I will admit that I may occasionally lose it if someone is making ridiculous arguments or claims. I've lost my cool more than a few times in the DA2 forums, but it's not so much when people say they don't like the game, it's when people act like jerks while saying it.

With the TW2 thread, it's a case of concentrated jerkiness really. Not every TW2 fan is like that, but it's a shame when all the jerks hang in one place.

But as you pointed out, even if we've been having a lot of disagreements lately, since we both remain respecftul and accepting of the other's opinion, it has all been good. If only it could be that way with everyone.

And of course, if you're gonna derail a thread it may as well be with something dirty! 

[CalJones]

I'm into chapter 2 now and am enjoying it a lot more, although I was peeved when I patched it and it lost all my custom graphics settings. It thinks my PC is crap enough to need the low settings which is rubbish. I can run it on high, with a few alterations such as taking out the motion blur (because I don't like it). Anyway, yes, it's getting better. I still maintain it's not an intuitive game to play, but once you get used to its idiosyncrasies, it's pretty damned good.
Have any of you replayed it to side with Iorveth yet?