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[Costin_Razvan]

Nice manipulation by the lady who saved Ellie. I highly doubt she was telling the truth.

[Addai]

CalJones wrote...

Keep your keyboard. And here's a ball and chain to make sure you finish the bloody thing. I'm still enjoying it. How many chapters do you think you have left?

It's hard to say, but we're on the home stretch now.  I'm keen to finish it.

I hope Cullen is a joinable NPC, as it happens. I fancy corrupting that bashful templar boy. And if it's set in Orlais, as I suspect it will be, here's hoping for a cameo from Warden Loghain. <3

I never got the fascination with Cullen- he still creeps me out- and now I feel like they've unnaturally forced him into a hero role, probably for fanservice purposes.  I think you're more likely to get your wish to see him again than I am to have him drop dead, though.

We both agree on a Loghain cameo.    I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

I never got the fascination with Cullen- he still creeps me out- and now I feel like they've unnaturally forced him into a hero role, probably for fanservice purposes.  I think you're more likely to get your wish to see him again than I am to have him drop dead, though.

Perhaps that air of bashful creepieness appeals. I don't know. I'm not quite a fan girl, but I did find the possibility of him returning in DAO or after appealing, though I was thinking more as a big side quest or a minoboss random encounter, given in one epilogue it says after he kills some apprentices, he escapes and is a mage hunting loon would have been a pretty cool way to introduce him into DA2. I really wanted to see what magically induced PTSD Cullen would be like to run into.

Regardless, though, I wouldn't say he was really put in a hero role, though pretty strange behavior on his part at the end, seeing how he's quick to explain to Hawke (including a Mage Hawke, lol) that mages aren't people and should be treated as such. And if you side with the mages, he doesn't let you be viscount, so he's not exactly mage friendly. And even when he asks for the mages to be spared when you side with the templars, from what I've seen in the debates, they are pretty much going to end up tranquil after a lengthy interrogation Torquemada style, since the Right of Annulment still stands. Depending on one's views, tranquility is a fate worse than death. Me, personally, I think becoming a tranquil is just as bad for a person as becoming an abomination, I see both fates as two sides of the same coin.

We both agree on a Loghain cameo.    I'm not going to hold my breath.

Given the trend towards "streamlining", it is unlikely they will. Statistically speaking, far fewer people spared Loghain than executed him, and several of those who spared him did so only to sacrifice him on the archdemon. So for the small, neglected minority that have a living, breathing Loghain by epilogue time are SOL, sadly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Cullen acts too much like an idiot in DA2. I think they could have taken the character in a better direction.

But honestly, I dislike how DA2 brought too many characters from DA:O (like Leliana). I think the role of Cullen could have been better filled by a new character.

[Costin_Razvan]

I personally don't dislike that aspect, but how it was done was rather poorly indeed.

Leliana is like: Hey sup. Get the Grand Cleric out of here! Bye.

That's her entire role.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I think all the templars are complete morons in DA2. I mean, come on. People post constantly about the ridiculousness of playing an apostate mage. You know, flinging fireballs and orgies of blood magic right in front of the templars everywhere, and the Cullen remarking that mages aren't human like YOU and him....right after. Lol. I remember Ser Bryant, the templar in the Lothering Chantry, can tell if your Warden is a mage, and he's just the knight commander of some backwaters hick chantry. No wonder Kirkwall has serious renegade mage problems. I bet it will be funny as hell to see, though, and when I do my first playthrough, I think I will play a mage hawke and go to the gallows with Anders and Merril and just start flinging random spell combos and blood magic, right in front of the templars. For the lulz. Why not?

I do like cameos, I don't think that there were too many. Just like Costin said, just badly implemented. I think if Cullen was to be to Kirkwall, it would have been more interesting to see him as a rogue templar starting an extremist anti-mage underground or something like that.

I won't get into the art style, but I am rather glad that Alistair is dead in my canon and thus, no cameo. I just can't bear to watch. I think the best one I liked of his was the Warden Alistair one. Which is his fate in my secondary canon.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually, the problem with Alistair's face was the lighting and not the face itself. There was a thread that showed the same face in a different setting and it looked fine.

And for me, the biggest morons of DA2 are the Chantry and the Divine.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Hell, it was clear to me that the Divine and Chantry were idiots by the end of Awakenings, really. To be honest, I think any idiot can seize power, but it takes alot of long term thinking and the pursuit of sustainable means to maintain it, as well as utilize it effectively for some reason other than the lulz.. The Chantry has pretty much proven in Origins that it has no business wielding power over something as powerful, dangerous, and useful as magic. Their system of containment is just epic fail, really.

Edit to add: Oh, I wasn't refering just to the artwork alone, just the banality of the cameos themselves. Sadly, I'll see much worse done to Zevran. Though I will say that, unlike DAO, DA2's Isabella actually looks like a pirate chick you'd probably want to do. So kudos for her improvement physically. Even if she is an idiot.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:09 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Bioware has that tendency to make everyone stupid except the PC so that complete idiots feel special while playing the game and suffer no consequences for their idiocy. ( Witcher I, II and Alpha Protocol say HELLO Bioware! ).

P.S. Skadi, why don't you answer on skype anymore? :S

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:25 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Everyone seems to have everyone else's skype, I feel so left out
Not that I can use skype anyhow, my brother completely invaded my PC.

Speaking of which, I caught my brother watching TW2 trailers over and over again. He's pretty excited for it, but won't play until he finishes DA2 and plays TW1.

[Costin_Razvan]

I prefer chatting on skype over PMs on forums lol

And I much prefer talking on microphone since then I can actually do other stuff then keeping on eye on my mess!

P.S. Knight can't you take the mic from your PC?

P.S.2 Check this video out for a tribute of Witcher 2. www.youtube.com/watch

P.S.3 This is how amazing the witcher II looks. www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Oh, sorry, lol. I keep forgetting to turn Skype on my account. I always shut it down when I play games, since it does drain system resources, and I usually forget to turn it back on when I'm done. I have to remember to turn it on when I'm not playing a game.

KoP, converting your brother to the dark side, or is he already there?

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Costin
Awesome vids!

And my mic is a webcam. I am too lazy to reconfigure it to the laptop as well eh

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
KoP, converting your brother to the dark side, or is he already there?

Ohoho, there a long time ago.

I laughed when he was thinking the exact same thing as I was, in the DA2 side quest Magistrate's orders. He was also like: "I am going to help the magistrate because doubtless the game that is about a rise to power will make him a useful contact and ally".

Turned out we are both idiots.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 13 juillet 2011 - 02:05 .

[CalJones]

I suspect there were plans for something but it was cut due to time/budget restraints. Which is lame, but them's the breaks.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...


Ohoho, there a long time ago.

I laughed when he was thinking the exact same thing as I was, in the DA2 side quest Magistrate's orders. He was also like: "I am going to help the magistrate because doubtless the game that is about a rise to power will make him a useful contact and ally".

Turned out we are both idiots.

Nah. You were simply punished for thinking ahead. Or simply thinking at all.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It pisses me off, because it had potential. I was one of the few who fully supported the concept of Hawke and less hero order routine that we kept seeing over and over again.

That is what angers me about it. Because I am almost certain that Bioware can not only do as well as they did before, but can finally grow beyond that and surpass themselves.

[Costin_Razvan]

Remember Awakening anyone?

You know that expansion that actually had a good well written plot?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sadly it sold poorly and most seem to hate it.

Maybe we just need to accept that Bioware will no longer produce plots that would interest people like us Costin. Luckily, another studio does.

[Costin_Razvan]

Yeah well..bases on many people the story of Awakening was ****!

Apparently the cliche story of Origins or the complete crap of DA2 does better!

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Awakening was great, except for the tons of glaring, game breaking bugs that not only went past qc, but remained unpatched for months after.

Beyond that, I liked Awakening just fine.

[Costin_Razvan]

True, there were bugs.

But story wise Awakening was awesome. The choices with the peasant rebelion, what to protect, the decision of what to do with the nobles, etc.

P.S. Wanna chat on Skype then Skadi?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 14 juillet 2011 - 02:55 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
But story wise Awakening was awesome. The choices with the peasant rebelion, what to protect, the decision of what to do with the nobles, etc.

Sadly they didn't really matter and didn't have significant consequences.
But the choices themselves were great and presented well, I thought.

I had hoped that DA2 was going to take that and expand on it. Instead they took 10 steps back.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 juillet 2011 - 03:02 .

[Zjarcal]

Hmm, can't really say I was impressed with Awakening's story, what little there was of it anyway. Actually I didn't even feel it really had much of a story.

I still enjoyed the expansion as a whole, but I didn't feel the plot was strong in any way really. I did enjoy the story bits in Kal-Hirol though, that stuff was awesome.

BTW, I'm finishing your sig right now Costin, will PM you in a bit.

[Costin_Razvan]

Ty Zjarcal

[Monica21]

Zjarcal wrote...

Hmm, can't really say I was impressed with Awakening's story, what little there was of it anyway. Actually I didn't even feel it really had much of a story.

I still enjoyed the expansion as a whole, but I didn't feel the plot was strong in any way really. I did enjoy the story bits in Kal-Hirol though, that stuff was awesome.

Same here. I think they offered the beginnings of some interesting things, like playing around with the Warden's political influence, but I guess none of that matters in DA2 anyway.