jvee wrote...
Well, I never said that becoming a Warden was a reward. This isn't binary. There isn't only a reward or a punishment. Nevertheless, I will entertain your argument. Becoming a Grey Warden affords you some respect. It is a position that others perceive as honorable. It gives you the ear of those in power. You technically have the right to conscript anyone, anywhere. That is a lot of authority. They only recruit the very best, so it is a confirmation of your strength. So to sum it up, you are granted respect, authority, and connections to influential people. That hardly sounds like a punishment suitable to the man responsible for the deaths of thousands, including regicide, which I assume would require an incredibly severe penalty in the world of Thedas.
You interpreted my statement about sparing Loghain to be the equivalent of punishing him, and I explained why being a Grey Warden is punishment. Of course there are two sides of it, but the fact is that Loghain is being punished. He no longer commands men, he is stripped of his titles, and worse, he no longer serves Ferelden. That is arguably the worst punishment of all.
We can go around in circles about what punishment is deserving of his crimes, but I don't agree that his actions required his head.
In case you hadn't noticed, this is a Loghain love thread. I think it's fair to point out the hypocrisy of sparing him if you idolize him and his decisions. That doesn't mean you have to kill him. It doesn't mean you can't spare him and still appreciate his character. But it is worthy of pointing out. You said, as a Warden, he's more good to you alive than dead. Okay. But that isn't punishment. That isn't justice. That's using someone for your own ends. Justice has nothing to do with it.
That's your interpretation of justice. You view the man over the course of one year and determine only his death will absolve him. I view the man over the course of his life and determine that he's absolved the moment he submits.
Well, if your intention is to be a tyrant, it doesn't really matter what they think. All that matters is that you appear strong enough to be feared. Sparing Loghain does little to inspire fear. It makes you look weak. We could debate the many permutations of scenarios available at the Landsmeet but it wouldn't change anything. My argument is that sparing Loghain isn't justice for the severity of his crimes. That doesn't change based on how the Landsmeet perceives you. If you want to spare him, you need to determine if his value supersedes your sense of justice. You have essentially argued that yourself.
My argument is that my sense of justice isn't the same as yours. And phaonica is entirely correct that cowing to Alistair in the Landsmeet makes you look far weaker than allowing Loghain to live. What in-game evidence are you using to support a conclusion of how the Landsmeet perceives you? There's nothing to support your theory or mine. They submit to whatever you decide and whoever you put on the throne. There is no agreement with Alistair with regard to Loghain's death, and no agreement with Riordan regarding keeping him alive. It's all supposition anyway, so it hardly matters.
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