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[Monica21]

Jedimaster88 wrote...
Now now no reason to get depressed yet. Give it a chance before you judge it. It does have its good moments, and they released Legacy DLC, which has some interesting grey warden stuff. In my opinion It didnt have as great or as emotional moments as origins has, but I dont think its THAT bad, its just...different. People seem to overreact sometimes.

As for that Loghain scene at the beginning of DA2. Look at it from the perspective of all the other people living in Thedas. Does Loghain have many TRUE friends alive for, whom he tells what exactly is going on in his head and what was his motive behind his actions? Those friends might spread the word and tell the stories given the right situation. That doesnt happen and since Loghain isnt around to tell his version of things either because he is dead or he is with the wardens, people are only interested in his actions that are FACT. At the landsmeet people hear the truth of what he has done and the word will spread. I assume that most people in Thedas view him and his actions in the way, they are told in Varrics tale, because of what they have heard.

You know what I think my biggest problem is going to be? Playing someone who doesn't live in Ferelden. I love Ferelden and I wish every DA game Bioware made would take place in Ferelden. My canon character is a Cousland and I just don't get the bit about Hawke up and running off. Maybe all that's explained so he/she seems less like a coward, but I don't like that aspect.

Legacy having Grey Warden stuff sounds interesting. We'll see how I feel about playing it when I'm done with DA2.

I'm curious about Varric's story if Loghain gets the Redeemer ending, or if it doesn't change. I mean, isn't that the whole point of that ending? He even gets a damn statue.

Modifié par Monica21, 04 août 2011 - 02:24 .

[Addai]

Yeah, I'll miss being a Fereldan, too. Of course Hawke isn't much of one, and that's probably the main reason they had to make Loghain a Big Bad. There has to be a reason why Hawke, and Aveline for all her trash talk, don't stay and fight the Blight. It's pretty cheap. Oh well, you should play the game and decide for yourself.

I don't think anything changes for the Redeemer ending. Maybe Alistair's comments if he's there as a drunk.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Yeah, I'll miss being a Fereldan, too. Of course Hawke isn't much of one, and that's probably the main reason they had to make Loghain a Big Bad. There has to be a reason why Hawke, and Aveline for all her trash talk, don't stay and fight the Blight. It's pretty cheap. Oh well, you should play the game and decide for yourself.

I don't think anything changes for the Redeemer ending. Maybe Alistair's comments if he's there as a drunk.

Alistair's comments change, yup.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Now that you reminded me of something that I REALLY had forgotten in the darkest corners in mind I will say this to Persephone: You want proof DA2 is bad, well here it ****ING is. I can base my ENTIRE argument the game is complete and utter bull**** based on just that ONE cinematic and I would love to see you argue it. ( That Varric has his own view on matters is complete and utter BULL**** ).

First of all, quit cursing at me.

Second of all, Varric's source being Aveline and history being written by the winners (Of the Landsmeet) ....I do not give a damn. Judge a game one one cinematic if it pleases you. I could not care less and I'm DONE apologizing for liking something I have every *censored, because I AM a lady* right to like. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am starting to dislike Varric, if everything that I saw was bad in this game has to be blamed on him.

Of course I wouldn't ever use that as an excuse and the blame goes to Bioware.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am starting to dislike Varric, if everything that I saw was bad in this game has to be blamed on him.

Of course I wouldn't ever use that as an excuse and the blame goes to Bioware.

I have not blamed Varric in the slightest. No matter what happens, people like Aveline have just cause to hate Loghain. And given that Aveline/Carver/Hawke were his sources, as well as the fact that Loghain won't have many people setting the record straight, that 2 second snipet on how Ostagar went makes sense. Would I have liked something at least slightly different for my Redeemer save? SURE. But it's understandable, it makes sense and....never mind.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Costin_Razvan wrote...


You do not want to know much I cursed when I saw that.

No seriously, if the whole twist with the Illusive Man being indoctrinated made me hit my keyboard, that one cinematic at the beginning of DA2 almost made take a hammer and smash my monitor to bits. I was that angry.

Hell I am very damned angry even remembering about that crap right now.

TIM has been "indoctrinated"? Seriously? By who? Please tell me it's not that he's being "mind controlled" or some other nonsense. Seriously. I still can;t get past the whole Cerberus+Reapers alliance part. 

Yeah, that intro was less than inspiring, whatever Bioware's reason. I'm still in act 1 running around collecting dosh for the expediation, and have found all my companions except Sebastian. I still haven't found a decent RP reason for my Hawke to remain in Kirkwall or even care about becoming wealthy again. Hell, she's content slumming it up at Gamlens. (and I must say, I like the old  weasel better than 90% of the people I've met in Kirkwall so far, lol). I've already done the quest where you meet Cullen, and had the chat with him where he refers to mages as not being "humans like you and me". Despite the fact my mage Hawke dropped a friggin lightning storm on his head in Wilmod's camp, lol. No wonder there's blood mages running amok. Hell, Fenris identitified my mage as such in the first convo I have with him.  Maybe they should recruit him. Fenris hatred of mages makes Cullen look like a flower strewing magophile.

I do like a couple of the design improvements, especially in mage gear. That is one thing I can say that has drastically improved 100% over DAO. Mage robes and cowls no longer make me cringe in horror. other armor models have improved, as have the human body and underwear models. The area designs are nice, even if repetitive.  And the rivaltry/friend system is pretty neat (got Fenris and Carver both on the rival train so far)

And I still want to do my brother.

[Costin_Razvan]

And I still want to do my brother.

I would say the same about Bethany, LOL.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And I still want to do my brother.

I would say the same about Bethany, LOL.

LOL! Yeah, I know what you mean. Bioware did a poor job of making Hawke's siblings "off limits" in terms of their appeal.

But hey, it's Kirkwall. Given what I've seen so far of the sanity and depravity levels, I'm surprised the option isn't there. Hell, sarcastic Hawke is the master of the offensive, inappropriate, and tasteless, I'm surprised he or she can't even flirt with their siblings. It's not like taste, decency, or social/moral prohibitions seem to be much a problem for him/her.

[Costin_Razvan]

TIM has been "indoctrinated"? Seriously? By who? Please tell me it's not that he's being "mind controlled" or some other nonsense. Seriously. I still can;t get past the whole Cerberus+Reapers alliance part.

In a comic it's revealed he has those eyes because he came in contact with a Reaper device after the First Contact war. Oh and during a E3 video they showed while Shepard fights off Cerberus, Liara makes a comment once all enemies are dead, now while you can't hear what Liara is saying ( thanks to the commentator talking over ) you do hear Shepard reply her: They are indoctrinated. I **** you not those are his exact words.

Yeah, that intro was less than inspiring, whatever Bioware's reason. I'm still in act 1 running around collecting dosh for the expediation, and have found all my companions except Sebastian. I still haven't found a decent RP reason for my Hawke to remain in Kirkwall or even care about becoming wealthy again. Hell, she's content slumming it up at Gamlens. (and I must say, I like the old weasel better than 90% of the people I've met in Kirkwall so far, lol). I've already done the quest where you meet Cullen, and had the chat with him where he refers to mages as not being "humans like you and me". Despite the fact my mage Hawke dropped a friggin lightning storm on his head in Wilmod's camp, lol. No wonder there's blood mages running amok. Hell, Fenris identitified my mage as such in the first convo I have with him. Maybe they should recruit him. Fenris hatred of mages makes Cullen look like a flower strewing magophile

They were just telling us what they stated before: Gaider's interview that Loghain was not rational at all ( at least hinted at ) and Kirby's post that ( I quote ): You didn't have to completely insane to spare him....so uh I'm insane partially to spare him right? RIGHT?!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea comments like that make me appreciate certain choices in other games that much more.

And skadi, I think you will be annoyed at Carver soon. For me, he is one of the best examples of an unsubtle, obsessive, overblown single minded character that thinks we are so dumb, that he has to tell us that one thing about his character every time he speaks.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And skadi, I think you will be annoyed at Carver soon. For me, he is one of the best examples of an unsubtle, obsessive, overblown single minded character that thinks we are so dumb, that he has to tell us that one thing about his character every time he speaks.

Dude, have you never met a jealous brother? Carver really doesn't act any more different than most jealous brothers do.

Not saying that attitude is likable, but the idea that he is a poor character because he constantly reminds of his jealousy is not something I agree with. Let's not forget Carver was a young chap at the start of the game (18 years old if I'm correct), so he's 25 by the end of act 3 at which point he actually changes, and all of his whiny attitude comes in between (most of it between him being 19-22). It's not exactly rare for some people to act like that during that age period, especially if they have harbored jealousy towards their sibling all their life.

And again, not saying that to defend him as a person, but as a character instead.

For the record, annoyed as I was at Carver through most of the game, he totally won me over when he returned as a warden at the end of act 3.

EDIT: Regarding the "cartoon villain" Loghain, I was annoyed at that cinematic too, but I wouldn't take that seriously. Varric saying "betrayed by his most trusted men" is just what many other characters in Origins say and will defend to the death. It's not a "fact" nor does this mean the writers intend for us to see him that way.

I certainly didn't see it that way.

Same goes for Aveline's comments. Given where she was in the fight, I can't really blame her for feeling that way and again, I never saw that as the writers trying to "prove" Loghain was a bad guy indeed.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 août 2011 - 05:57 .

[Jedimaster88]

Monica21 wrote...


You know what I think my biggest problem is going to be? Playing someone who doesn't live in Ferelden. I love Ferelden and I wish every DA game Bioware made would take place in Ferelden. My canon character is a Cousland and I just don't get the bit about Hawke up and running off. Maybe all that's explained so he/she seems less like a coward, but I don't like that aspect.

Yeah I have to admit, Kirkwall is a big sh**hole to live in. All the crazy people there, the opressive templars, the locals who have some attitude problems...heck in Ferelden you have more nice people. Even the templars are much more nice in Ferelden than in Kirkwall. Hate to say it, but for me, Kirkwall doesnt feel to be the sort of place that is worth saving.

[Jedimaster88]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea comments like that make me appreciate certain choices in other games that much more.

And skadi, I think you will be annoyed at Carver soon. For me, he is one of the best examples of an unsubtle, obsessive, overblown single minded character that thinks we are so dumb, that he has to tell us that one thing about his character every time he speaks.

Yeah Carver can be annoying, but he does have his good moments. The person who annoys me the most is Fenris with all that "I was a slave, I hate all the mages, Magic spoils everything and so on", attitude. Yeah I understand his hatred, but he seriously lets it cloud his judgement and the way he sees the world way too much. Maybe Sebastian does also annoy me a bit with all that chantry thing.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

@KoP: Carver's an ass, true, but I've been having such fun rivalling him. I've found annoying certain companions and rivalling them to be far more engaging than trying to friend them. So far, he hasn't annoyed me yet, and I'm hoping I can torture him to new heights when he becomes a templar (i decided I'm going that route for the lulz). In fact, that's pretty much the sole reason I can find for Hawke to do anything, really, the lulz. I'm going the sarcastic Hawke route, and that seems about right. I mean, I already got all the money I need and then some for bartrand, yet I'm still doing all these other quests for extra cash.

Because, my Hawke is a shallow, apathetic murder machine who really has no interest in becoming wealthy on some lamo expedition underground. What's the hurry? What's wrong with sitting around all day on the couch at uncle Gammy's drinking malt liquor, smoking joints, and watching Star Trek on Kirkwall channel 4? Gamlen's got plenty of cheese around the house, even if those wheels are developing sentience. Run out of dosh? No problem. My Hawke will just go out and beat someone into a bloody pulp for da moneez and the lulz.. And Kirkwall is full of volunteers who are even nice enough to skip the chat and just attack me without trying to bribe, manipulate, or threaten me first. And of course, when Hawke gets tired of Leandra b*tching about her daughter's complete lack of ambition, as well as having to clean up her vomit after beer bonging with Uncle Gamm until 5 a.m., Hawke can go drink up and get laid at the Blooming Rose.

Speaking of which, The Blooming Rose could not hold a candle to the Pearl. Where's my nug harem? My whips, chains, scarecrows, and heathen fish idols? My beloved little dwarf tranny whose world I frequently moved? The surprise me option has really taken a serious nosedive in these perilous economic times. Sigh. Kirkwall is irredeemable at this point already. Time to go order that gift wrapped copy of The Anarchists Cookbook for Anders.

[Giggles_Manically]

Way to many mobs in Kirkwall.

There is no way in hell a city can operate when I get attacked three times by a group of 20 people EACH just on my way to buy some potions.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And skadi, I think you will be annoyed at Carver soon. For me, he is one of the best examples of an unsubtle, obsessive, overblown single minded character that thinks we are so dumb, that he has to tell us that one thing about his character every time he speaks.

Dude, have you never met a jealous brother? Carver really doesn't act any more different than most jealous brothers do.

You are telling me that a jealous brother constantly reminds you that he is in your shadow, every time he speaks and writes a letter? And Templar Carver also says the exact same idiotic line of "in your shadow" in Act 3.

That is just ridiculous.

No subtelty at all to it. I get it, make him stfu and give him another dimension or thing to say that would make me give a damn about his existence.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 août 2011 - 08:53 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

He still complains about being in my shadow after joining the templars? Lol. That's as funny as Cullen thinking my mage is a human like him.

To be honest, act 1 I've enjoyed from a serious lulz perspective, because very little of it made sense, as far as the whole flow, lack of focus and emphasis on anything, really. Very little in context. Half the time, I have no idea what sort of quest I am performing, nor do I have any idea for whom I am doing it or why. I just follow wherever pointy arrows above people or objects appear, and just stopped caring what happens, in that aspect. Very few of the quests have any dialogue explaining things, and most of these people I have no clue who they are. Or why or what consequence there is to helping. Only a small number of quests so far have done this.

So, I'm just finishing up 2 quests before the deep roads: save seamus and shepperding wolves. I hear this is the point where parts of the plot get interesting at least.

So far, the most interesting quest for me was Tranquility. God, the change in Anders is depressing. Given all the theories on the nature of his bond with Justice, I am already under the opinion that Anders and Justice are merged personalities, and especially conflicting ones. Sometimes, in a convo with Anders, he starts saying things, and I just switch his voice for Justice's in Awakening, perfect match. Creepy, and rather sad. Anders doesn't suffer from split personality, he has two active and conflicting personalities living inside him which are aware and interactive at the same time. I'm definitely gonna romance him, I think, though I'm pretty much trying to romance or hit on anything that walks. Except Merril. Merril is an idiot, but she's so cute, like a mad scientist gerbil. I really want to convert her house in the alienage to a habitrail. Maybe that will keep her screwing about with the mirror.

And on another note, I can't believe my level 9 Hawke basically took down a high dragon by pimp-caning it. Seriously, for real. I mean, some of the new combat animations really are awesome, but some are simply too funny to take seriously. Not just the pimp-cane move. For starters, mage Hawke fights like a Shoalin monk. I sometimes expect her to start making Bruce Lee screeches and waaaas. Some of the ninja-thug waves actually do make similar sounds and strike similar poses before attacking.

[CalJones]

There's an elf tranny in the Rose - "she"'s hilarious. It's actually nice that you can go in there at various stages and see different NPCs such as Seneschal Bran, Gamlen, Meeran and Emeric. Also, if you hire enough pros you get a "special". I'm guessing your a female Hawke? Ask for the bad girl special, heh heh.

Anders is depressing, but I like making my male Hawkes sex0r him. I could never get to grips with playing LadyHawke - I just hated her voice. That's the problem with a voiced protagonist - if you hate the voice there's not much you can do (fortunately, I like mHawke and both Shepards).

[Costin_Razvan]

To be completely honest I dealt with much weaker voice acting then whatever Bioware has been providing since they switched to voiced PCs. ( looks at Witcher I - NOT Geralt mind you ),

Anyway here's an interesting quote I found: I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is - Albert Camus.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And skadi, I think you will be annoyed at Carver soon. For me, he is one of the best examples of an unsubtle, obsessive, overblown single minded character that thinks we are so dumb, that he has to tell us that one thing about his character every time he speaks.

Dude, have you never met a jealous brother? Carver really doesn't act any more different than most jealous brothers do.

You are telling me that a jealous brother constantly reminds you that he is in your shadow, every time he speaks and writes a letter? And Templar Carver also says the exact same idiotic line of "in your shadow" in Act 3.

Seriously, it may be a ridiculous attitude, but it's not all an unrealistic portrayal of a jealous brother. Or better said, a type of jealous brother. Obviously there are others who would be more subtle about their jealousy.

I'm not arguing that you should like Carver or the way he was written, I'm saying that it is not at all far from real life. I've seen enough jealous siblings to know that.

[Addai]

You can appreciate Carver by his banters moreso than his conversation with Hawke. Having him in a party with Varric and Fenris is hilarious- they are so hard on him, I found myself feeling sorry for him. Him flirting with Merrill and Isabela flirting with him is also cute. I hear he makes a good Warden, I haven't been able to stomach another run to do it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I find it mostly unrealistic (barring a few brats that I have no idea why they would be a companion in a game), considering that Carver seems to be mature enough in other things. But more importantly, completely uninteresting to me. Hence why I am completely and utterly indifferent to him.

Plus seriously, I can make any character sound realistic. Because there ought to be at least one in 6 billion who would be this ridiculous and absurd. From a writing perspective however, Carver is a glaring example of unsubtle writing from Bioware imo. If people like the style, good for them, not arguing that one should hate it.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 août 2011 - 10:47 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Well as someone who has a brother where we constantly argue with each other ( and have done so for many, many, many years )....well Carver wasn't that bad actually. I'll say this much.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Well as someone who has a brother where we constantly argue with each other ( and have done so for many, many, many years )....well Carver wasn't that bad actually. I'll say this much.

Does he keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again?
I mean arguing siblings is fine. But one who keeps saying the same thing for 7 years and little else?
I find that hard to believe.