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[Zjarcal]

Addai67 wrote...
I hear he makes a good Warden, I haven't been able to stomach another run to do it.

He is happier as a Warden than as a Templar. As a Templar he is much more spiteful towards Hawke. Not that he becomes nice overnight as a Warden, he still b!tches all the time, but at least it's clear that he enjoys the role of being a Warden.

His return as a Warden right before the final battle in act 3 is by far one of my favorite moments in the whole game, it actually made me like him both as a character and a person. Watching him finally let go off the jealousy act and showing concern for his sister made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it mostly unrealistic (barring a few brats that I have no idea why they would be a companion in a game), considering that Carver seems to be mature enough in other things. But more importantly, completely uninteresting to me. Hence why I am completely and utterly indifferent to him. 

Plus seriously, I can make any character sound realistic. Because there ought to be at least one in 6 billion who would be this ridiculous and absurd. From a writing perspective however, Carver is a glaring example of unsubtle writing from Bioware imo. If people like the style, good for them, not arguing that one should hate it.

Again, I am well aware (too aware), that Bioware doesn't write characters that appeal to you (save a few exceptions). I was arguing against your claim that he is an unrealistic character, which he is not. Unappealing? Sure (to some), but not unrealistic.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 04 août 2011 - 11:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
Again, I am well aware (too aware), that Bioware doesn't write characters that appeal to you (save a few exceptions). I was arguing against your claim that he is an unrealistic character, which he is not. Unappealing? Sure (to some), but not unrealistic.

Can you name me a character that is unrealistic?

I didn't say he is unrealistic (it's realistic in that he's a brat). I said, his writing is not subtle, and not how normal people would generally behave. I said he is written as an unsubtle, obsessive, single minded ridiculous brat, and that this overblowing of emotions and extremes, and disregard for multi-dimensional characters is a common trend I see amongst many Bioware characters (with varying degrees).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 août 2011 - 11:14 .

[Zjarcal]

You said...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it mostly unrealistic, considering that Carver seems to be mature enough in other things.

You were claiming that you found the jealous act unrealistic, which is a way of saying the character was not written realistically. That is really all I was arguing against.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

You said...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it mostly unrealistic, considering that Carver seems to be mature enough in other things.

You were claiming that you found the jealous act unrealistic, which is a way of saying the character was not written realistically. That is really all I was arguing against.

"(barring a few brats that I have no idea why they would be a companion in a game)"

That's what I also said.
The only way this would feel realistic to me, is if Carver is a brat. Which is what he ends up acting like, at least when it comes to Hawke.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 04 août 2011 - 11:26 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

BTW I sense that your reaction is going to close to the Quest solution pony soon

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

You said...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I find it mostly unrealistic, considering that Carver seems to be mature enough in other things.

You were claiming that you found the jealous act unrealistic, which is a way of saying the character was not written realistically. That is really all I was arguing against.

"(barring a few brats that I have no idea why they would be a companion in a game)"

That's what I also said.
The only way this would feel realistic to me, is if Carver is a brat. Which is what he ends up acting like, at least when it comes to Hawke.

Ok, that does clear it up a bit, thanks. 

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

BTW I sense that your reaction is going to close to the Quest solution pony soon

You mean angry Fluttershy? Nah, if you want to summon angry pony rage from me you'd have to actually be a jerk.

Carver summoned that kind of rage from time to time... 

[KnightofPhoenix]

lol my reaction to him by Act 3 can be summed up as this:
<_<

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 05 août 2011 - 12:48 .

[Monica21]

Got my copy today. Due to work and real life I won't actually be able to start playing until Sunday, but here's hoping I get some enjoyment out of it. Not that I'm not loving all the comments.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

lol my reaction to him by Act 3 can be summed up as this:
  <_<

Hehe, funnily enough that was my same reaction (especially after saving him from Grace... that was the time I wanted to smack him the hardest). But after he returns as a warden right before the final battle, it ended up being something like this:

  <_<...   :happy: <3

I know... four emoticons just for that scene, but I really did love it that much.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 05 août 2011 - 12:56 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Then again, by Act 3, I was in such a mood that practically nothing could lighten it up haha

But it does sound like Carver is more tolerable if he became a Warden.

[Zjarcal]

For what it's worth, here's Carver's return as a warden in act 3:



It's so weird watching him with that face... 

[KnightofPhoenix]

"This is what I was meant to be"

Oh yes, you are certainly not meant to be a templar, I can see that now. .
Perhaps I was too harsh, but it doesn't really change my opinion much. I would have preferred if he grew before the very end.

[Zjarcal]

I never expected it to change your opinion really. It certainly would've been better for him to grow gradually as the game went by, not right until the very end, at which point many people were probably too set in their position of not liking him, being a case of "too little, too late" for them (or in the case of those who let him die in the Deep Roads, they never even get the chance to see that).

[Addai]

To keep us on topic, have some Loghain butt from sleepyowlet

[CalJones]

Hot damn, that's a nice butt.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

That pic is actually an illustration (wonderfully fulfilled at my request <3) of a Round Robin-style Loghain ficlet posted on the Team-Mac-Tir group page on deviantart.com. It was a "blind" Round Robin, meaning that its 5 authoresses --of whom sleepyowlet, I and Bitenomnom were the 2nd, 3rd and 4th respectively-- had no idea what the previous author(s) had written; all each of us got was the last sentence of the previous installment. So the composite work is a little schizophrenic not only because of the 5 different writing styles employed but because of some slightly disjointed story lines --but not really as disjointed as you might think. One reason being that three of us --completely independently of the others-- put our naked hero in a moonlit stream. I have no idea how this happened. :innocent:

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 05 août 2011 - 01:11 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Definitely an ass I can sink my teeth into.

[LobselVith8]

[quote]Monica21 wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...
I agree that there aren't likely to be any heirs (and that seems to be the case with many of the royal families in Ferelden having lost their heirs ... Cousland to Arl Howe ...[/quote]


Fergus Lives!! 

 [/quote]

True, but Fergus became the new Teyrn, and his son (the heir) was killed. While Fergus is indeed alive, we have no idea whether he'll remarry again or even have another child.

[quote]Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Given Oghren's miracle baby who seemed to be born in six months, I'd say the timeline is borked. At least Loghain seems to still be alive. If Dragon Age 3 takes place in Orlais, I wonder if he'll be implemented into the storyline as a Grey Warden. [/quote]

Unlikely Bioware will bother to ressurect him, unlike other characters it assumed we wanted to see again despite killing. I think Loghain will not return, though it would be pretty awesome to run into him as a Warden in Orlais. Also, I think Loggy only has limited time left if he's still alive. [/quote]

Loghain is still alive as a Grey Warden roughly seven years after the end of the Fifth Blight. This is brought up seven years later (Act III) by King Alistair in "King Alistair."

[quote]Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The timeline isn't the only thing that's borked; if Anders was not recruited by The Warden, he somehow meets Justice even if the Spirit of Justice was killed at the Dragonbone Wastes. I'm guessing the "it was a tale being told" presentation of Dragon Age 2 will allow the future rectons to be explained away much easier than the rectons from Origins.[/quote]

God, don't get me started on the crap. Yeah, been reading the DA2 forums, and soon, my own copy of the fun shall begin. But yeah, there's alot of WTF....wait a minute...who are you and why are you here moments and time borkage. [/quote]

I think Kirkwall was simply a place where common sense didn't exist. Either that, or Hawke is a Ferelden version of Don Quixote.

[quote]Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

I agree that there aren't likely to be any heirs (and that seems to be the case with many of the royal families in Ferelden having lost their heirs - Eamon to the Circle of Magi, Cousland to Arl Howe, the Howes being killed off for the most part and the two adult survivors losing Amaranthine), but The Warden can pretty easily impregnate Morrigan even without the dark ritual being implemented, so I don't think he's "near infertile."[/quote]

Close enough that it's a pretty uncommon, unusual event. As far as Morrigan getting knocked up without the dark ritual if she slept with the Warden.....this is Morrigan we are talking about. She is, in herself, very much an unknown wild card in many ways. We already know she posseses knowledge of how to distill a tainted archdemon soul. But as far as the Wardens go...in the Calling, when Fiona brought her kid to Maric, even she said it was a pretty unusual thing for a Warden to concieve, especially from just doing it only once or twice. When one considers all the "mechanics" involved in making an heir, with a Warden, it would require frequent attempts. Very frequent. Something that Anora will unlikely be terribly enthused about, even if she is on good terms with the Warden. She really does prefer to go at things alone. [/quote]

To be fair, she was married to King Cailan. Cailan.

[quote]Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The disappearance seems to be a seperate issue from the Eluvian, since roughly ten years have passed since that time. I can imagine how amusing it would be for the Arl of Amaranthine to return with a known apostate and a love child, especially for the Chantry. The Chantry loves apostates, after all.[/quote]

Not to mention the deep rooted magophobia everywhere, especially of "godless heathens" like Morrigan. The Warden's child with Morrigan, regardless of it's an OGB or not, will unlikely be the heir to anything as mundane as ferelden's throne.

Does it specifically state in DA2 when exactly the Warden was realized to have "disappeared"? [/quote]

Roughly ten years after the end of the Fifth Blight.

Btw, I wasn't thinking of Morrigan's child being the "heir" to the throne, but how the people (especially the Chantry) would react to the returning Hero of Ferelden and Arl of Amaranthine coming back with his apostate lover and their love child in tow (since the Chantry actually puts a bounty on her if the Hero died and Witch Hunt is done with the Orlesian Warden). Especially if The Warden is a mage - which should have caused problems with the Chantry alone, since a mage is now holding a political position with a military and a city under his command. It's mentioned once the Hero of Ferelden is in the nation (roughly seven years after venturing into the Eluvian, in the same quest where Loghain is said to still be alive if he became a Grey Warden) so I'd assume Morrigan came back with The Warden, since he made it clear he would be at her side for her plan.

[quote]Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Anora's presence as Alistair's Queen also puts an end to a lot of the problems that would arise if he took the throne alone, since he's an illegitimate son of King Maric.[/quote]

But there's more to ruling than just that. My point was basically, it was better to move on to at the very least, a new dynasty. The Therin bloodline is an istitution that has been holding Ferelden back. And Alistair didn't really want it that much. Even hardened, he's quite happy to dodge the bullet if you chose to do so. [/quote]

I meant in terms of the information provided in Dragon Age 2 from King Alistair ruling alone to ruling with Queen Anora - there are problems when he's the sole ruler that aren't there if he's ruling with Queen Anora. And I personally think that King Alistair with Queen Anora is better for the nation, given their goals. Anora has grand plans for a university and to refill the royal coffers, and Alistair knows what to do about the city elves; even the people think all the turmoil was worth it to have these two rulers ruling together.

[Mike3207]

All I can see on the subject of royal children is that Gaider said 2 Wardens married to each other won't have any children. Unless I get some other information, I'm going to assume that any Anora marriage results in a child. It does Anora no good to have her royal line end with her death. I'm not sure if Loghain is still alive if there's a different ruler on the throne. Also, not all male Wardens will do the the ritual with Morrigan or seek to follow her into the mirror, I certainly won't.

[Addai]

It would be nice if either Anora or Alistair did end up with an heir.  I don't think it's likely, but that generation's heroes dying out is a melancholy idea.  Which probably means that what Gaider intends.

Anyway... I bring you a superb young Loghain from Maeves Child, The Lesser Man

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

So far, the most awesome thing I've seen happen in DA2 was when i got to kill the last of Harrowmont's progeny. That just made me giggle with glee. The primeval thaig comes in a close second, though. That place is fascinatingly weird and creepy. Yet we get no further explaination, or opportunity to return and explore it more.

Otherwise, yeah, so far, everyone in Kirkwall, mage and non-mage alike, is either a raving lunatic, a homicidal idiot, or a disgusting quasi human degenerate who offends me to the point I wish to exterminate their possible offspring as well. Thus far. Am I gonna meet anyone in act 2 that i don't want to kill or bathe after speaking to? So far I've talked to Dumar and Elthina as far as major NPCs, and I file both into the folder labeled "epic fail" (which includes Harrowmont and Bann Ceorlic). So far, the only NPCs I do not want to voilently destroy that aren't companions are Gamlen, Sandal, Thrask, and that nice mage who gave me Malcom's letters. Just about everyone else so far seems ireedeemable.

And by the way, WTF kind of armor is Sebastian wearing, lol? He looks like a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger. I'm rivaling him, and can't wait for him to stomp off and go get his army to crush Kirkwall. Provided I don't encourage Anders to blow it to kingdom come before he arrives.

Just got a booty call from Isabella, so I've gotten one down, two more to go. Think I'll get fenris drunk and have some hate sex, before moving on for my finalle, a threesome with Anders and Justice. My Hawke is a try-sexual. She would have done the ancient wrock wraith if it asked nicely. Carver has gone off to the templars and is even being more of a whining ass than before, much to my Hawke's delight. His misery and moaning a sweet symphony. Though she still would do him. Only Merril is off limits. Merril's off limits, she's like a pet hamster. Think I'm gonna go friend on her and encourage her idocy with the eluvian. This is, after all, a non-serious lulz playthrough, mostly to get an idea for the game mechanics and differences.

So now that I got a case of incurable flesh eating pirate cooties from isabella, how exactly do i go aboput getting into Fenris' pants? I wanna see if he has any special lyrium tattos burned into certain body parts to enhance their function as well.

[Addai]

Cross- romancing is tough in this game. The LIs talk, and they are not having it from skank Hawke. There is a way to do several of them, but it requires careful timing. You might want to do some research in the DA2 forum.

[Zjarcal]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Am I gonna meet anyone in act 2 that i don't want to kill or bathe after speaking to?

Hard to say since that is entirely subjective.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

Cross- romancing is tough in this game. The LIs talk, and they are not having it from skank Hawke. There is a way to do several of them, but it requires careful timing. You might want to do some research in the DA2 forum.

Sigh. And here I thought it would be easier to skank about than in DAO, when you had less reason to do so, but an easier time.

[Costin_Razvan]

Skadi: The Arishok?