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[Addai]

Monica21 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
However I had no idea Caladrius was voiced by Simon... damn, that man is talented!

EDIT: DAMN! Even the Ostagar tranquil is vocied by him?!?

That was something similar to my surprise in finding out that Steve Valentine voiced Cullen.

And this is just pathetic begging on my part, but I would love to see Loghain in DA3. And pleeeeease let him be an LI.  <3

Steve Valentine only voiced Alistair.  Cullen was Greg Ellis, who also did Awakening Anders.

My biggest WTF re Simon Templeman was that he voices Ceorlic, the squeaky guy in the Landsmeet.  That is so lulzy.  Simon owns the LM.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Been wanting to do that to the whole f*cking city of Kirkwall since I stepped into the gallows. But Anders stole my awesome.

I hate revolutionaries.  Don't bother me with your [censored] causes, I'm trying to have a life here- that's my attitude to it all. lol  I really do hate extremists.  I would have appreciated the mage-templar conflict if it had been a matter of internal Chantry fracture, something more sophisticated and political.  As it is, it's comical and I want no part of it.

Plus he's whiny, possessive and melodramatic.  His romance lines are gag-worthy.  So yeah, he pushes all the wrong buttons.  He does look good in black, and looks better glowing than his usual appearance.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 août 2011 - 02:20 .

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...
Steve Valentine only voiced Alistair.  Cullen was Greg Ellis, who also did Awakening Anders.

Ah, blerg. I swear there was something in the Alistair thread awhile ago about SV voicing Cullen.

My biggest WTF re Simon Templeman was that he voices Ceorlic, the squeaky guy in the Landsmeet.  That is so lulzy.  Simon owns the LM.

This is me:  Really? So, he voted against himself? Hehe.... 

[Joy Divison]

Zjarcal wrote...

Oh I believe you. Your opinion is shared by many here though. The game is really a hit or miss... on the Loggy thread it seems to be more of a miss though.

The Loggy thread is generally frequented by people who favor depth over "awesome," which, judging from the recent Bioware press releases, are no longer the targeted demographic.

I wouldn't say DA2 is a bad game.  I would, however, say it is a dissapointment.

[LobselVith8]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

In Origins Simon Templeman easily is my fave.

During Tali's LM he easily remains my fave.
Although there are many great VOs during that segment.

But having watched the Legacy of Kain stuff on youtube its simply amazing what he can do with his voice.

Legacy of Kain had some fantastic voice acting. And Kain always stands out to me, even when he was an "antagonist" of sorts in Soul Reaver.

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

You're telling me. That man has natural talent. Not only Loghain, but Avernus and Caladrius. Is there a character he voices that isn't awesome in some way?

I think the only reason Templeman didn't voice Bhelen is because he's probably a nice guy, and felt it wasn't right to have all the awesome in the game to himself. Let someone else voice another epic character.

Avernus, too? All the more reason to like his character.

[Giggles_Manically]

Woah.

I knew I had her Kai Lan the Serpent's voice before!
Damn it does Templeman do all my fave Bioware voice over or something?

[DragonRacer13]

Monica21 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

My biggest WTF re Simon Templeman was that he voices Ceorlic, the squeaky guy in the Landsmeet.  That is so lulzy.  Simon owns the LM.

This is me:  Really? So, he voted against himself? Hehe.... 

Actually, I think Ceorlic is the one guy you can't sway at the Landsmeet, no matter what kind of circus you put on. He always sides with Loghain. So, I guess it's a weird case of "me, myself, and I" or "standing beside yourself". LOL

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 09 août 2011 - 11:29 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Loghain rigs the Landsmeet by awesome feats of ventriliquism? Yeah, the man is awesome.

[CalJones]

He didn't do Avernus - that was Martin Jarvis. I guess the confusion is because he, Simon T and Claudia Black all voiced quarian council members in ME2.
Simon T did several tranquils, Ceorlic, Caladrius, the Haven gate guard and the Ostagar kennel master in addition to Loghain. He is also did Mervis in Awakening.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

I hate revolutionaries.  Don't bother me with your [censored] causes, I'm trying to have a life here- that's my attitude to it all. lol  I really do hate extremists.  I would have appreciated the mage-templar conflict if it had been a matter of internal Chantry fracture, something more sophisticated and political.  As it is, it's comical and I want no part of it.

Plus he's whiny, possessive and melodramatic.  His romance lines are gag-worthy.  So yeah, he pushes all the wrong buttons.  He does look good in black, and looks better glowing than his usual appearance.

I'm not bothered by revolutionaries, even when I don't care about their causes. Even the idiots often have pretty good points, even if their methods and goals are often unrealistic and idiotic. I have far more respect for an idiot who makes an honest attempt to fix a broken, terminally f*cked up system than idiots who stand around ****ing, but do nothing. Or even worse, apathy.

And Anders maybe a crazy flag waving lunatic, but at least he's not apathetic. I hate apathy more than anything. Even more than idiots and Zealots. Thats why Anders is my favorite companion, because he (and Merril) actually spent their spare time trying to pursue their ideals. My other companions? The vie with Hawke for he can do the least.

Different opinions. And personally, while a political fracture in the Chantry is bound to happen, it was clear to me in DAO that the Chantry/Mage conflict had long gone past the point of anything but violence or chaos.  I'm not even bothered by the concept of the whole thing being set off by extremists on both sides, because thats a natural, logical conclusion given the long history. The lameness resulted from the whole execution and the use of unexplained, unrelated Mac Guffins to explain everything. The Chantry is humanly stupid and backwards enough it doesn't need magic idols or crazy blood mage harvesters to feed the Frankenstein.

Meredith and orsino's conflict should have been played out as a very human conflict of two irreconcilable points of view that basically ignited a conflict that was inevitable. Anders Chantry bombing? Stupid and short sighted, but not unexpected nor out of place given the circumstances. And idiotic as it was, it wasn't really pointless. Because at that point, it was pretty clear the only way anyone was gonna pay attemtion to the festering elephant in the room was for some hotheaded fool to do something they can no longer ignore. If not Anders, I'm pretty certain that Thedas is full of angry, disillusioned lone nuts who would have done the job themselves somewhere else.

That particular concept is not irrational. That's pretty much a basic premise of human civilization and society, and one that is very relevant to the real world.

[Monica21]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

My biggest WTF re Simon Templeman was that he voices Ceorlic, the squeaky guy in the Landsmeet.  That is so lulzy.  Simon owns the LM.

This is me:  Really? So, he voted against himself? Hehe.... 

Actually, I think Ceorlic is the one guy you can't sway at the Landsmeet, no matter what kind of circus you put on. He always sides with Loghain. So, I guess it's a weird case of "me, myself, and I" or "standing beside yourself". LOL

Yeah, I really need to start having someone read my posts before I post them so they make sense. I think I was thinking that he voted against the Warden, but that doesn't work either, so obviously I was nutso last night. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yea I was like: "what is she talking about? She just finished Origins a few days ago!" 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 août 2011 - 04:12 .

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yea I was like: "what is she talking about? She just finished Origins a few days ago!" 

It's too much, "What the **** am I doing in Kirkwall?!"  

[Giggles_Manically]

Man it would have been awesome if Loghain could pop up as a Grey Warden in Dragon Age 2.

But hey we get Riordian! I mean Stroud....
Come on Bioware TWO Grey Wardens voiced by the same dude?

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Monica
I am convinced.

I am not joking, by the end, I had a headache, when the credits started rolling with no music (bug). Just an empty void of silence, pretty much my initial reaction to the game.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 août 2011 - 04:38 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Monica21 wrote...


It's too much, "What the **** am I doing in Kirkwall?!"  

That defines my closing comments for the game. After 3 acts and tons of lunatics, I still couldn't find a reason for ever staying in Kirkwall. I still haven't come up with a reason that would not imply Hawke is insane, an idiot, or simply doesn;t care. Especially a mage Hawke.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
That particular concept is not irrational. That's pretty much a basic premise of human civilization and society, and one that is very relevant to the real world.

I disagree.  The basis of civilization is someone quietly laboring without recognition or the big splash.  The lunatics and ideologues, tie them all together and throw them to the bottom of the ocean.  They only make trouble for ordinary people trying to make their way.  Anders' little war is going to kill more mages than the templars ever did, and only perpetuate the hatred and suspicion against them- not without reason.

I let Anders live so he can fight, since everyone else has to risk their lives to do so, but if the option had been there I'd have stuck the knife in his back afterward.  Hawke's a big hypocrite.  You have to kill a nut like Tarohne, but you can't kill your own nut except when it's too late and totally meaningless.  What's different about her?  She had a plan to take down the templars and was carrying it out without killing a lot of innocent people.  Anything poignant about Anders happened offscreen before DA2.  Watching him devolve is just pointlessly depressing.

All the DA2 companions are nuts except Varric.  Isabela's ok, but man what a selfish cow.  Aveline's a hypocrite.  There's just no one I can even enjoy hating, let alone enjoy liking.

[KnightofPhoenix]

lol oh how much I missed the philosophical / political / historical debates here.
How much I disagree with the assumption that the basis of civilization is living essentially eating, sleeping and pro-creating like animals.

That said, Anders is no leader or visionary, and certainly no founder of a civilization. A lunatic and little else.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 août 2011 - 05:50 .

[Persephone]

This may look familiar...but it's a different screenshot of Loghain and my Cousland gal, Rhiannon.

Thought I'd share. Because....I have nothing else to add....

[Giggles_Manically]

The basis of civilization is the realization that people can do more in a large group then what they can do in smaller groups or by yourself.

But no Anders is not any leader I want to be in charge of anything more vital then a taco stand.
Knowing him he would go on a murder spree trying to wipe out the burger believers for oppressing his beloved and perfect tacos.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The point isn't that Anders is a leader. or even that his tactics are practical.
Nor is the point on what defines a sound civilization and future plan, or even a future. My point is that the "civilization" that is Kirkwall was past the point of caring about and saving. revolutionaries and hotheads are the scavengers who tear apart the corpses of rotten, decayed, irredeemably broken societies and systems. They clean up the rot and tear apart the remains of society, so that the strong and clever can take advantage of the chaos and forge new, more vigorous societies and systems. That is what they do. One might say, that it their role in the "natural order" of civilization.

[CalJones]

Aww Addai. I preferred the companions in DA2 to those in Origins. I really liked Zevran, Morrigan and Sten but was lukewarm on the rest (and Wynne I actively dislike). As I said before, Sebastian is the only DA2 character I didn't care for and he's DLC so, whatever. Yes, Isabela is a selfish cow, but she's also a lot of fun.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. London is a bit like Kirkwall at the moment, only the abominations are wearing hoodies.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

CalJones wrote...

Aww Addai. I preferred the companions in DA2 to those in Origins. I really liked Zevran, Morrigan and Sten but was lukewarm on the rest (and Wynne I actively dislike). As I said before, Sebastian is the only DA2 character I didn't care for and he's DLC so, whatever. Yes, Isabela is a selfish cow, but she's also a lot of fun.
Anyway, I'm off to bed. London is a bit like Kirkwall at the moment, only the abominations are wearing hoodies.

Lol, just watching it on the BBC. My husband is flying back to visit his kids in a couple weeks. Hopefully, they will stick to looting and torching London proper, and leave Gatwick alone. But yeah, the first thing I thought of was the mage revolt, lol, because the riots have broken out all over the country.

I'm willing to bet alot of the rioters are bored unemployed yobs with nothing better to do, and probably by now don't even have a f*cking clue what they're supposed to be rioting about. They just see it as a reason and opportunity to  pillage the local off licence for booze, ****s, and Cadbury Cream Eggs.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The point isn't that Anders is a leader. or even that his tactics are practical.
Nor is the point on what defines a sound civilization and future plan, or even a future. My point is that the "civilization" that is Kirkwall was past the point of caring about and saving. revolutionaries and hotheads are the scavengers who tear apart the corpses of rotten, decayed, irredeemably broken societies and systems. They clean up the rot and tear apart the remains of society, so that the strong and clever can take advantage of the chaos and forge new, more vigorous societies and systems. That is what they do. One might say, that it their role in the "natural order" of civilization.

LOL Skadi, well we agree on one thing- they're bottom feeders.  I just think we ought to help them get to the bottom.  Of the ocean.  With a two-ton weight around their little firebrand ankles.  I distinguish, of course, from revolutionaries and firebrands who are just defending their homes, like the Fereldans did.

@CalJones- Dude, I hope you're in a safe place.  The pics are just incredible.  Talk about Kirkwall. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...


LOL Skadi, well we agree on one thing- they're bottom feeders.  I just think we ought to help them get to the bottom.  Of the ocean.  With a two-ton weight around their little firebrand ankles.  I distinguish, of course, from revolutionaries and firebrands who are just defending their homes, like the Fereldans did.

Bottom feeder is actually a good anology, though I see the bottom feeder in terms of the ecology. If you've ever tended your own aquarium, you'd soon figure out that the bottom feeders of the aquarium were perhaps the only fish in the aquarium that serve any practical or useful purpose. The other fish are there for looks, they swim around looking pretty and entertaining. Yet in a natural aquarium set up, one of the biggest reasons  they can swim and look pretty is because they have bottom feeders to gobble up the tons of crap these pretty but useless fish produce in spades. They also eat the suffocating pond scum and algae that the pretty fish would slowly choke and die on.

Of course, another thing to consider, the more useless crap and waste the pretty fishes produce, the bigger those bottom feeders get. And sometimes, the bottom feeders themselves end up outgrowing the aquarium. Moral of the story: if you don't want 10 foot long aglae eaters, don't let your aqurium be filled with unsustainable numbers of useless eaters and crappers. Otherwise, you have no business b*tching about that giant aglae eater from hell.

I don't consider a person to be defending homes as revolutionary. That's just basic common sense and survival instinct.  But while the Fereldens were facing oppresion, they were not facing imminent exterimination.  The mages, by comparison, have no lands, no property, no families to defend. The war/revolt that they will be fighting will not be the same kind of conflict orlais and ferelden had.