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[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...

I thought (or hoped) she was a little older than that - I guessed around mid-30s. She had been with Eamon since before Alistair was sent to the Chantry, at least. Alistair is probably in his mid-20s, and he was supposedly sent off when he was still a child.

So Isolde must have been in her 20s when she got together with Eamon - or so I would hope, because the alternative is considerably more creepy...

Creepy, yeah, but pretty common in that particular era/setting, when girls were married off to men, sometimes old enough to be the grandpas, as soon as they hit puberty. Isolde was older than that, but probably "barely legal" when she hooked up with Eamon. And Eamon was probably well in his 30's by then.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...



True. I believe Howe even says something about that if you mention Delilah being considerably younger than your HN when he brings her up.

Old guy or no, my Wardens would totally not be creeped out if offered the chance to rock Loggy's socks off. Even if he is more than twice their age. Just means he's already well trained and broken in. :wub::wub:

[phaonica]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Old guy or no, my Wardens would totally not be creeped out if offered the chance to rock Loggy's socks off. Even if he is more than twice their age. Just means he's already well trained and broken in. :wub::wub:

Agreed. The age difference between my Warden and Loghain doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't know if it should, but it doesn't. Between the social context within the game and the confidence that the Warden is at least "legal" in current and local-to-me social terms, I'm fine with it. <3

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think Morrigan is slightly older than the Warden as well (she is mid 20s or so). Eh, always preferred older women anyways.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

phaonica wrote...


Agreed. The age difference between my Warden and Loghain doesn't bother me in the slightest. I don't know if it should, but it doesn't. Between the social context within the game and the confidence that the Warden is at least "legal" in current and local-to-me social terms, I'm fine with it. <3

My husband is 31 years my senior, (I met him when I was 29) so yeah, age differences have never been an issue for me. Before him I dated younger men, and my mom, once she hit her 30's, started going into full cougar mode, and every guy she dated or married afterwards was at least 10 years younger. So I'm pretty cool with the idea of May-December relationships.

@KoP: Yeah, Arcturus seems like the type who would prefer a woman a little more experienced and mature than he. He doesn't strike me as the type who would have much interest in giggling, immature girls his age or younger.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's not unheard of for young people to be that strong and command that much respect. Abd al-Rahman al-Dakhil almost single handedly founded the Emirate of Cordoba at 24-25. His descendant Abd al-Rahman III saved the Emirate from civil war and founded the Caliphate at 21. Octavian started his career at 19.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...

I had always thought my Warden to be early-to-mid-20s, myself - close to the same age as Morrigan and Alistair, but not quite. I doubt I could realistically play the strong and wise Warden I usually aspire to be if he were any younger than that.

Kind of ironic that everyone falls back on a fairly young man to lead them, and even more ironic that he's stronger and wiser than even his elders. Then again, Ser Gilmore did say I was easily the equal of men twice my age.

My canon Warden was about 18 at the start of Origins (the mage origin, given that the apprentice dorms seem like a high school/early college sort of set up, seemed the one that would be the youngest). My human noble was about 19-20ish at the start. My dwarf commoner was about 23-25 range, as it seemed appropriate. My dwarf noble was the oldest, I put her at about 29-30 at the start. Havn't played the elf origins, but both seem about early to mid-20's.

But I suppose I played my canons as very young, because I left home the moment I was 18 and graduated high school, so I generally like to play characters who leave their nests as early as possible.

It's not terribly difficult, though, to imagine a younger person taking charge of a situation and surpassing their elders. In fact, history is full of young, eager, ambitious men and women who were eager and capable of replacing their elders, who sometimes were stagnant, backwards, and too conservative to create and instill the needed changes.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
@KoP: Yeah, Arcturus seems like the type who would prefer a woman a little more experienced and mature than he. He doesn't strike me as the type who would have much interest in giggling, immature girls his age or younger.

Yea, he is older than his age. So prefers people that possess the same level of maturity as him, which more often then not happens to be peopler older than him.

Anora is also older than him (10 years), and they can get along well.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...

I suppose I'm more used to seeing people around that age being reckless and immature - the total opposite of being a strong and ambitious leader.

Then again, I'm only 22 myself - and most people I meet consider me to be far more mature and intelligent than my peers (not that I mean to brag or anything).

Most people that age are pretty reckless and immature, but it also helps to remember our modern day society allows childhood to last far longer than it did, say, in medieval times. An typical 18/19 year old, in our day and age, would still be child like in many respects. But in the medieval times, people were often married with kids by the time they were 16. And even today, in underdeveloped countries where life is alot harder, and shorter, teenagers tend to be more mature and worldly than they are in the west.

That said, I've known a number of young people, even when I was young, who were not only mature, but had their heads screwed on tighter than the majority of adults I've known.

[Haradmir]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

I suppose I'm more used to seeing people around that age being reckless and immature - the total opposite of being a strong and ambitious leader.

Then again, I'm only 22 myself - and most people I meet consider me to be far more mature and intelligent than my peers (not that I mean to brag or anything).

Most people that age are pretty reckless and immature, but it also helps to remember our modern day society allows childhood to last far longer than it did, say, in medieval times. An typical 18/19 year old, in our day and age, would still be child like in many respects. But in the medieval times, people were often married with kids by the time they were 16. And even today, in underdeveloped countries where life is alot harder, and shorter, teenagers tend to be more mature and worldly than they are in the west.

That said, I've known a number of young people, even when I was young, who were not only mature, but had their heads screwed on tighter than the majority of adults I've known.

The events of DAO also seem like things that would force one to mature in order to best contend with them, especially for the human noble and dalish origins...(haven't played them all yet.) I'd think that anyone with the sort of task given to them that the Warden has would be forced to deal with it with some degree of care and responsibility, if they wanted to be successful. You didn't just pull together four groups and get them to honor your treaties by accident.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...

That's a very pertinent point, indeed. I hadn't thought about it that way.

And the world of Dragon Age would certainly lend itself to a youth being far wiser and more levelheaded than someone of equal age from our time and society.

Thanks for pointing that out.

A good example where a much younger person outshines and pwns the older, "wiser" generation is Bhelen vs Harrowmont. Bhelen's age is never mentioned, but he is the youngest child of the Aeducan family, so I'd guess he's likely to be about early to mid 20's. Yet he is the one who changes Orzammar for the better, when compared to Harrowmont, a much older (I'd say late 50's, early 60's) and supposedly "wiser" elder of the society is still clinging to old, destructive ways.

Celene, the Empress orlais, was still a teenager when she ascended to the imperial throne, and she got there by plotting her way to the top. I also think she had her uncle murdered as well. All before she reached her second decade of life.

So certainly, there is plenty of precendece, even in game lore, for young people to be exceptionally intelligent, clever, ambitous, and successful.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Haradmir wrote...
 You didn't just pull together four groups and get them to honor your treaties by accident.

Unfortunately the game does a poor job at conveying that and of allowing the Warden to display real leadership skills, barring very few and rare moments. Awakening did it better.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Haradmir wrote...
The events of DAO also seem like things that would force one to mature in order to best contend with them, especially for the human noble and dalish origins...(haven't played them all yet.) I'd think that anyone with the sort of task given to them that the Warden has would be forced to deal with it with some degree of care and responsibility, if they wanted to be successful. You didn't just pull together four groups and get them to honor your treaties by accident.

That too. Hell, all of the origins, even the mage one, tend to involve situations that either force a person to mature rapidly, or give a background that suggests the Warden might be above and beyond their peers, even within their age groups. Not to mention, as you said, the events of the game would certainly force growth, maturity, and wisdom on a person as well.

[Persephone]

Darkrider296 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I was about to start my reply with a warning like: Expect a lot of Loghain bashing....<br />
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But that would be too late, I suppose.<br />
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There aren't many characters who inspire such division. To his detractors he is evil incarnate. They tear him to shreds, no matter what. To his supporters he is the misunderstood anti-hero who, scarred by traumata endured during the occupation, made wrong decisions, some of which were the decisions nobody "wants" to make but are sometimes necessary.<br />
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I myself prefer the anti-hero interpretation. I take no delight in butchering him in front of his daughter (Some do, it sickens me), I do not think that his hatred of Orlais is unwarranted or overly paranoid, after "The Calling", I also understand his contempt for the Wardens. Do I condone everything he did? No. Do I think his desire to sacrifice his life AND soul to destroy the AD were motivated by wanting to be a hero? No. He only has contempt for hero worship, he'll tell you that more than once. Of course him begging you to allow him to "do one last thing right" can only be a last grab at glory, right? Hello, have you met Loghain? Glory, tales, heroism...he despises all that short lived nonsense.<br />
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Playing RTO with him was as engaging as it was illuminating. Nobody shuts Wynne up like him, hah!<br />
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Anyway, back to the original poster: Yes, I agree. He has more depth than all the other DAO and DAA characters combined. Flaws and all. <br />
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As for those he "calls enemies": He has every right after what happened during the occupation.

Well to bad if I sicken you, I think Loghain is a bastard who deserves to die no matter what. In reality a man like that would have to be executed or put in prison for life. No other option is rational. He may have been a hero at one point but people sometimes change not for the better. He damn well knew what he was doing at Ostagar and he allied himself with some one as sickening as Arl Howe, you know murder of the Couslands and their entire estate. Theres no way Loghain didn't know about. And lets not forgot about all of the Elves he sold into slavery some of which were childern. Bastard thinks he knows whats best yeah right. Plus Anora is a cold calculating ****, look at how she jumps up so fast to be Queen even with her father's fresh blood on her Plus lets not forget how she sold u out when u were trying to save her. Better option is a hardened Alistair. He's a tough but fair ruler. 
So yeah I like butchering Loghain in front of Anora 

*Triple facepalm*

Well, at least you proved my point rather nicely, if nothing else. Because: Extremes, misogyny, sexism, inaccuracies, blood lust.....what an impressive list of virtues indeed!

But at least it was a break from the DAII bashing. I missed the old debates.

[KnightofPhoenix]

greengoron89 wrote...

That's one thing I really enjoyed about Awakening, as well - it allowed you to flex your political and tactical muscles much more, actually putting you in charge of managing and protecting an entire arling and its citizens, in addition to your duties as Commander of the Grey.

I hope Bioware will present another scenario like that in future Dragon Age titles.

Unfortunately, choices there while great, were inconsequential barring the epilogue.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Awakening was great on its own merits, the only real complaint I had were the persistant, irritating bugs that still remain, and are unlikely to be fixed. A shame, really. And like KoP siad, the real shame is that choices and actions in Awakening don't seem to carry over past the game itself. The biggest crime here is the Architect and the Awakening itself, something that holds increidible potential and impact for the future of Thedas, yet seems to have been brushed aside beyond the epilogue.

And by the way, does anyone know much about the blog format on here? I just copied and pasted something for a blog entry from open office (plain text document) yet when I posted the entry, the format is kinda funny, its in blocks that looks like a weird poetry format instead of a short story.

Any idea how to fix this?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

greengoron89 wrote...

That's a regret I have regarding my first playthrough of DA:O - siding with Harrowmont. All of the signs that he was a coward and unworthy of being king were right in front of me, but I wasn't paying enough attention to catch them. <_<

Celene seems like a cunning individual, indeed, just from what little I know about her. I certainly doubt she was interested in hooking up with Cailan because she thought he was a handsome and charming man. The fool was ripe for the picking, after all - except Loghain caught onto it first, fortunately.

I really ought to read the books and look more into the background behind the characters and lore of the games. I can only really go off of what I found in the actual game, and what I read here and on the Wiki sometimes.

Lol, no sweat, alot of people picked Harrowmont on their first run, for various reasons, but since then have redone their playthroughs and picked Bhelen. And of course, it's understandable, because you aren't given much to go on in Orzammar, only rumor and innuendo. And then there is the issue of their lackeys: Vartag Gavorn comes off as a really slimey, unlikeable person, which put alot of initial players off picking Bhelen.

Don't worry, you have seen the light. It's never too late to see the errors of ones ways, and correct them. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
And by the way, does anyone know much about the blog format on here? I just copied and pasted something for a blog entry from open office (plain text document) yet when I posted the entry, the format is kinda funny, its in blocks that looks like a weird poetry format instead of a short story.

Any idea how to fix this?

I manually fix it. Yea, every single line.