Sarah1281 wrote...
Yes, yes it does.DragonRacer13 wrote...
So, like, this new revelation makes Loghain a national hero x2 now, right (x3 for those who let him ride the dragon for final redemption)?
Edit:by Sarah... lol
True, but if Cailan did have a child with Celene, that would essentially absorb Ferelden into Orlais. Either Cailan hadn't thought that far ahead, or he didn't care.Sarah1281 wrote...
I still maintain that there is a difference between marrying an Orlesian and giving your independent country back to Orlais.Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
He is probably putting up streamers and Ballons and baking a cake.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
Hence why Loghain's poisoning of Eamon to get rid of his negative influence prior to Ostagar makes infinately more sense.
Where is Costin, I assume he'll be happy about this.
He's probably sleeping. It is 3 AM there after all.Giggles_Manically wrote...
He is probably putting up streamers and Ballons and baking a cake.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
Hence why Loghain's poisoning of Eamon to get rid of his negative influence prior to Ostagar makes infinately more sense.
Where is Costin, I assume he'll be happy about this.
All for the Loghain is the best/Calian is the worst party.
I am bringing the punch!
Costin dosent sleep.Sarah1281 wrote...
He's probably sleeping. It is 3 AM there after all.Giggles_Manically wrote...
He is probably putting up streamers and Ballons and baking a cake.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
Hence why Loghain's poisoning of Eamon to get rid of his negative influence prior to Ostagar makes infinately more sense.
Where is Costin, I assume he'll be happy about this.
All for the Loghain is the best/Calian is the worst party.
I am bringing the punch!
Dude (Is it acceptable to call your liege lord "dude"? Anyway.) No lie. Eamon needs to stay as far away from the throne as possible. Even more reason to put Anora on the throne or let Alistair marry her, if necessary.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
Hence why Loghain's poisoning of Eamon to get rid of his negative influence prior to Ostagar makes infinately more sense.
Where is Costin, I assume he'll be happy about this.
Giggles_Manically wrote...
He is probably putting up streamers and Ballons and baking a cake.KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
The whole issue is Cailan basically jumping off a cliff because of Eamon's encouragement. I'm not sure how he'd feel about Cailan marrying Celene, but I don't doubt he'd figure out a way for it to benefit him, considering he's married to an Orlesian himself.Sarah1281 wrote...
Hey, I actually have more faith in Eamon than for him to want Cailan to marry CELENE. I mean, did you hear that line about poncy Orlesian noblemen? This stupidity was all Cailan's. And Celen's. But she, at least, was getting something out of it.
Hence why Loghain's poisoning of Eamon to get rid of his negative influence prior to Ostagar makes infinately more sense.
Where is Costin, I assume he'll be happy about this.
All for the Loghain is the best/Calian is the worst party.
I am bringing the punch!
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
http://social.biowar...199/137#4683680tuppence95 wrote...
Gaider Q&A - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9386107
Talk about the CE's mother - 09:35
Templars using phylactories - 09:55
Seeing DAO characters - 11:00
Cailain - Anora - Loghain - 13:25
Anders - Alistair - 20:49
Modifié par phaonica, 06 septembre 2010 - 02:13 .
I <3 Loghain.phaonica wrote...
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
Monica21 wrote...
I <3 Loghain.phaonica wrote...
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
Of course, because everyone in line to the throne ahead of her died of natural causes.phaonica wrote...
I'm sure Celene was simply sensitive to Cailan's plight and was just trying to help...
Monica21 wrote...
Of course, because everyone in line to the throne ahead of her died of natural causes.phaonica wrote...
I'm sure Celene was simply sensitive to Cailan's plight and was just trying to help...
"Need some help slicing that cabbage? Oh, I'm sorry, it appears I've accidentally slit your throat."KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Of course, because everyone in line to the throne ahead of her died of natural causes.phaonica wrote...
I'm sure Celene was simply sensitive to Cailan's plight and was just trying to help...
The died because of her overwhelming altruism.
Sarah1281 wrote...
I can't believe people are actually asking what would be so bad about Orlais and Ferelden merging...
DragonRacer13 wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
I <3 Loghain.phaonica wrote...
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
I second that emotion.
Monica21 wrote...
"Need some help slicing that cabbage? Oh, I'm sorry, it appears I've accidentally slit your throat."KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Of course, because everyone in line to the throne ahead of her died of natural causes.phaonica wrote...
I'm sure Celene was simply sensitive to Cailan's plight and was just trying to help...
The died because of her overwhelming altruism.
Yes, yes there is. And all this time I've been thinking that this was the one time Loghain's paranoia didn't serve him. Turns out I was wrong about that too. He was not only right all along, but he wasn't even paranoid because he knew he was right. He knew exactly what the marriage would mean.DragonRacer13 wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
"Need some help slicing that cabbage? Oh, I'm sorry, it appears I've accidentally slit your throat."KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Of course, because everyone in line to the throne ahead of her died of natural causes.phaonica wrote...
I'm sure Celene was simply sensitive to Cailan's plight and was just trying to help...
The died because of her overwhelming altruism.
Mmm, yes, and some folks in the Alistair thread think the political country merge would be a good thing or that the marriage wouldn't absorb Ferelden?
Hoo boy.
Isn't there some sort of quote out there about "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't still out to get you"? Seems appropriate given the circumstances...
Bann Duncan wrote...
DragonRacer13 wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
I <3 Loghain.phaonica wrote...
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
I second that emotion.
Thirded. I wonder how the "Loghain is worsez than the darksponz" crowd will react to this, given that they've criticised all of us who called attention to that fact after RtO.
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phaonica wrote...
Question: Was Cailan really planning on leaving Anora for the Empress of Orlais, or was Loghain exaggerating?
DG: You know actually its funny, that was a plot that was originally in Origins, and we couldn't include it. The Empress of Orlais was supposed to have been visiting Denerim during the time of the Blight. We had a whole plot prepared for it, but that's the way development goes--things get cut all the time. So what you saw in Return to Ostagar was sort of a a callback to what was happening there. The plan was actually originally was, yes, that Cailan was planning to divorce Anora originally and Loghain discovered what was going on, (in an ominous/ironic/sarcastic kind of tone) but of course that's not why he did what he did--right?--Loghain being the completely reasonable man that he is.
editing for references:http://social.biowar...199/137#4683680tuppence95 wrote...
Gaider Q&A - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9386107
Talk about the CE's mother - 09:35
Templars using phylactories - 09:55
Seeing DAO characters - 11:00
Cailain - Anora - Loghain - 13:25
Anders - Alistair - 20:49
It won't matter if Ferelden has a King or not because it will be a puppet and the real ruler will be the half-Orlesian Emperor son of Cailan. And no, I don't think that Loghain knew this.You all also immediately assume Caillan was selling out Ferelden. While he may have been, there are many ways marriage contracts can be made - certainly it's not inconceivable that such a marriage between Caillan and Celene would include a clause that keeps Orlais out of Ferelden. And, since the Landsmeet must apparently approve every new monarch, clearly, Ferelden had a way to keep the half Orlesian son of Caillan off the throne.
Sarah1281 wrote...
It won't matter if Ferelden has a King or not because it will be a puppet and the real ruler will be the half-Orlesian Emperor son of Cailan. And no, I don't think that Loghain knew this.You all also immediately assume Caillan was selling out Ferelden. While he may have been, there are many ways marriage contracts can be made - certainly it's not inconceivable that such a marriage between Caillan and Celene would include a clause that keeps Orlais out of Ferelden. And, since the Landsmeet must apparently approve every new monarch, clearly, Ferelden had a way to keep the half Orlesian son of Caillan off the throne.
So, I thought I'd better come over here to eat crow.Sarah1281 wrote...
It won't matter if Ferelden has a King or not because it will be a puppet and the real ruler will be the half-Orlesian Emperor son of Cailan. And no, I don't think that Loghain knew this.You all also immediately assume Caillan was selling out Ferelden. While he may have been, there are many ways marriage contracts can be made - certainly it's not inconceivable that such a marriage between Caillan and Celene would include a clause that keeps Orlais out of Ferelden. And, since the Landsmeet must apparently approve every new monarch, clearly, Ferelden had a way to keep the half Orlesian son of Caillan off the throne.
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