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[Costin_Razvan]

Anyway. Costin, I only sort of skimmed your reply because I'm avoiding too many spoilers. I just guessed Iorveth was a Scoia'tel rep, and since I'm roleplaying Geralt as pro-squirrel, I figured I'd end up supporting him. But of course I'll do whatever I feel appropriate to this game. The writing is really good in the game, but I never doubted that

He's not Yaevinn. I'll just say that and leave it there.

Knight: I like Yaevinn, but I like him in the way I like a certain rapist in TW2 ( and no I don't mean the bear ). Brilliantly written but despicable.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 septembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[billy the squid]

Aeowyn wrote...

Edit: And the US is eventually almost collapsing before Deus Ex plays out. The Illuminati decides not to help the country because they want it to collapse so they can have a better chance of proposing the New World Order. But then the US does get back on its feet and basically the result of that is why Bob Page started the Majestic 12. 

Interesting, I have noticed that Deus Ex HR makes quite a few refrences to, Deus Ex 1 via E books and conversations regarding nanotechnology, economic migrants and other points. Its quite well done, without jarring the player by making such refrences.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Knight: I like Yaevinn, but I like him in the way I like a certain rapist in TW2 ( and no I don't mean the bear ). Brilliantly written but despicable.

If we want to go there, most Witcher characters are in one way or the other despicable. One of the few exceptions would be Siegfried.

I didn't find Yaevinn that despicable. It wouldn't be the reason for my opposition to him in any case.

[Costin_Razvan]

I didn't find Yaevinn that despicable. It wouldn't be the reason for my opposition to him in any case.

Wasn't saying he is as vile as that other character, but suffice to say I don't think much of his plans of committing genocide on the human race for his petty revenge.

Of course I also opposed him since I favor stability in countries I have a stake in and his plands would lead to chaos, elven terrorist attacks on a large scale etc., not that I care that much about Temeria mind you. I may like Foltest, Roche and Thaler but I wouldn't mind it that much if the country falls apart.

P.S. Did it work out with the conscription exemption?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 septembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am still working on it.

[Costin_Razvan]

Eh I hope for the best for you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Thanks. It will work, it will just take time. And a few 500 Syrian pounds being shoved in some people's drawers and pockets.

[testing123]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Imo no. The story was the worst part of it in my eyes. The supposedly main plot of the game, the conflict between mages and Templars, was an utter debacle.
And in part due to this, my interest in the DA franchise in its entirey and Bioware in general is at an all time low and getting very close to complete indifference. So no, I personally am not optimistic.

Addai67 wrote...
jvee, I kind of wish I had never played DA2. It's affecting my view of the franchise and not in a good way. Take that for what it's worth. I don't think it's worth finishing, but there are people who like it. I just... can't comprehend that.

That's unfortunate.  Perhaps I made the right decision.  I was hoping that the story might at least make the experience salvageable but it sounds like the short development cycle may have harmed it as well.  There was some mildly interesting qunari stuff right before I quit, which is why I wondered if it might improve into something worth experiencing despite all the flaws around it.  Oh well.  I suppose if DA3 actually ends up looking more like a return to form I can always pick it up again as a lead into the new game.  Thanks for the input.

Zjarcal wrote...
Heh, you say that as if loving DAO automatically means that you must hate DA2.

Anyway, I love DA2 (despite this being hard to comprehend for some people apparently) but I'm sure you won't, just by the fact that you're actually asking others if it's worth finishing when you already tried it yourself. So eh, it's probably best you don't bother.

Yeah, I know how it sounds, and I'm not sure how else you were supposed to interpret that... but I didn't really mean it that way.  I'm not really sure how to explain myself, so it's probably easier to just say I misspoke and move on. =P

You are the lone positive response, so would you mind expanding on what you liked most about it?  It's worth noting that I only played most of Act 1.  Do you think it improves after that point or did you think it was pretty solid all the way through?  I feel like I've played so many Bioware games that I sort of owe it a complete play through to judge it in its entirety for myself, but if no one thinks the story is worth it I can't see myself putting in the time with mechanics I know won't change. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

jvee wrote...


But obviously I'm still a pretty big fan of the world and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of that story by abandoning DA2. My question is, do you guys think the story is strong enough in DA2 for me to trudge through a bunch of mechanics I don't enjoy? Are you optimistic for a DA3 or do you think the series is trending down? If this series is only going to continue to drift away from what I enjoyed so much about the first one I feel it would be best to just let it go now. But if you guys think that there is hope for salvaging an interesting property and DA2 was just a small misstep in the grand scheme of things, I don't mind slogging through if only to try to enjoy the story and finally give the game a more complete and fair critique.

Hard to say. I was pretty disappointed with DA2, but I found if I played it with a very humorous state of mind, it made playing it more enjoyable. Thinking of it as a giant parody helped me get through it. I found when I stopped trying to take the game seriously, it became more playable. Overall, the story had tons of potential and grabbed my interest for it, but the execution of the plot, if there was one, was an absolute mess.

As for the direction of the franchise, I still have interest in it. However, this becomes harder to maintain with the direction it seems to be going, with developer comments and interviews suggesting they are going in a direction that might cause me to lose interest eventually. Only time will tell.

But I do suggest at least finishing the game, if nothing else, to have a ready import for the (hopefully) improved sequel.

[Addai]

Okay, at last... chapter 34 of The Arrangement.  I made up for it being late by making it long!

[Joy Divison]

jvee wrote...

Glad to see this thread is still going strong with most of the regulars from way back. I thought I would pop back in out of curiosity to see what this board looked like so long after release. Anyway, I suppose I should add something to the conversation.

I never finished DA2. DAO is probably my favorite game of all time, so naturally DA2 was a huge let down for me. I didn't like the enemies appearing out of thin air. I didn't like the 'quests' that involved dumping a piece of junk on a random npc for a bit of copper. I didn't like the reused environments. So I quit.

But obviously I'm still a pretty big fan of the world and I feel like I'm missing out on a lot of that story by abandoning DA2. My question is, do you guys think the story is strong enough in DA2 for me to trudge through a bunch of mechanics I don't enjoy? Are you optimistic for a DA3 or do you think the series is trending down? If this series is only going to continue to drift away from what I enjoyed so much about the first one I feel it would be best to just let it go now. But if you guys think that there is hope for salvaging an interesting property and DA2 was just a small misstep in the grand scheme of things, I don't mind slogging through if only to try to enjoy the story and finally give the game a more complete and fair critique.

For what's it's worth.

I loved Origins.  Probably the most enjoyable game I ever played.  I don't think DA2 was bad, but it clearly was a disappointment.

I think you mentioned you stopped after Act 1.  Act 2 was the most enjoyable part of the game.  I do think if you are considering replaying DA2, Act 2 is worth it.  If you still aren't impressed - and that is a possibility bc/ DA2 still plays the same - then I'd say drop it there because Act 3 isn't going to endear you to the game if you feel that way.

On another note, I found my second playthrough more enjoyable once I became more familiar with the gameplay/mechanics with DA2.  So it is possible giving DA2 another shot might change your opinion.

Then again, I tried getting into the Legacy DLC about a month ago by starting a new campaign, but quit soon after I got to Kirkwall. 

Modifié par Joy Divison, 19 septembre 2011 - 03:19 .

[CalJones]

Addai - great chapter. I like how you resolved the Howe problem.

Joy Division - I had the same experience in so far as I enjoyed DA2 much more on the second play. Legacy is also worth the play but I'd think it too hard to tackle in Chapter 1. Fortunately I had chapter 3 saves for all my Hawkes.

Regarding TW2 - I absolutely couldn't bring myself to side with Yaevinn in TW1, but I found it quite easy to side with Iorveth in TW2. I found him quite likeable. I played through both paths and had expected to prefer the Blue Stripes, but actually ended up finding the Iorveth path more fun in the end. I would have played it through a third time to catch any stuff I'd missed but the mechanics pissed me off to the extent that I couldn't be bothered, which is a pity.

[Addai]

@ CalJones- thank you! Glad you're still reading and enjoying it.

TW2's mechanics are a mess. The vendor menus... egad, I don't know if I'm buying, selling, or what. Good thing you usually don't need vendors much. At least, you didn't in TW1. Hopefully CDPR learns that simple is better with anything but the story. Good story, though. As for DA2, I enjoyed it less the more I played and thought about the story. Not being able to find a Hawke I could like was a big letdown.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

As for DA2, I enjoyed it less the more I played and thought about the story. Not being able to find a Hawke I could like was a big letdown.

Yeah, that was my biggest problem too. I just couldn't get into Hawke as a character. Even the name seemed a bit cheesy. I'm waiting on some better character creation mods to be released before I can play a Hawke that i can actually look at.

[Costin_Razvan]

Good chapter Addai. Who did Fergus side with anyway? and please let Eamon die ( am very happy Fergus did not follow that pile of stupidity in terms of main plot ).

Also you might wanna check this trailer for TW2: ( no spoilers I promise ...well not more then other trailers ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 19 septembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[Addai]

You mean in Orzammar? Bhelen. I actually had to cut a chunk out of this chapter that was there for nothing but my own sentimental reasons, because it was so long. Fergus rescued Sereda Aeducan from the Deep Roads, and she and Ellie had a discussion about Bhelen.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I really can't see Fergus siding with Bhelen, but I have not read the chapter so I wouldn't know.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I actually meant in-game. I am not sure if Ferelden pragmatism comes even remotely close to pragmatism as Bhelen would see it. But it's not impossible, like you said, we don't get to know him that well.

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

You mean in Orzammar? Bhelen. I actually had to cut a chunk out of this chapter that was there for nothing but my own sentimental reasons, because it was so long. Fergus rescued Sereda Aeducan from the Deep Roads, and she and Ellie had a discussion about Bhelen.

Alistair should be written for the story however. Whatever I may think of the fool I don't think he would let the Loghain matter slide.

[CalJones]

I admit I liked Hawke, but only male Hawke. I tried playing a female Hawke once and got as far as docking in Kirkwall before I wanted to punch her in the face. I found sarcastic male Hawke charming, but sarcastic LadyHawke just sounds like a smug b*tch. Ugh.

(And yes, Addai...please let Eamon die! Pretty please, with sugar on top!)

[Addai]

Alistair's already in the story, so he will get a resolution... *zips lips*

I liked my sarcastic female Hawke at first. There are some funny lines. But at some point I realized "honey, you're both useless AND annoying." That's when the game was done for me. Egad, I wanted to slap her in Legacy, esp with how snotty she is to Carver. I hated my diplo character even worse- a big bore. I've tried to play a male PC but can't get one past Lothering. I played about halfway through as aggressive and that had some good aspects, but I was trying to romance Anders with her and it was all sorts of wrong.

[GSSAGE7]

I tend to play Sarcastic, more often than not. It's all based on context.

[testing123]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
As for the direction of the franchise, I still have interest in it. However, this becomes harder to maintain with the direction it seems to be going, with developer comments and interviews suggesting they are going in a direction that might cause me to lose interest eventually. Only time will tell.

I haven't really been following since I quit DA2, have the developers spoken much about another sequel?  

From what I played, I felt like a lot of the problems with DA2 stemmed from efforts to 'consolize' the game and a short development cycle.  The companions in particular suffered in the little bit I played, they felt more like stereotypes that hadn't had the chance to flesh out into actual people.  But obviously that was only first impressions, characters grow as you have time with them so I could be completely wrong.  Nevertheless, the absurdly thin delivery 'quests' smacked of an alpha release in my opinion.

Joy Divison wrote...
For what's it's worth.

I loved Origins.  Probably the most enjoyable game I ever played.  I don't think DA2 was bad, but it clearly was a disappointment.

I think you mentioned you stopped after Act 1.  Act 2 was the most enjoyable part of the game.  I do think if you are considering replaying DA2, Act 2 is worth it.  If you still aren't impressed - and that is a possibility bc/ DA2 still plays the same - then I'd say drop it there because Act 3 isn't going to endear you to the game if you feel that way.

On another note, I found my second playthrough more enjoyable once I became more familiar with the gameplay/mechanics with DA2.  So it is possible giving DA2 another shot might change your opinion.

Then again, I tried getting into the Legacy DLC about a month ago by starting a new campaign, but quit soon after I got to Kirkwall.  

Appreciate the thoughts.  Given the rather lukewarm response I don't think I'm going to rush into playing it.  But I think I definitely will pick it up before a potential DA3.  I did the same thing with Mass Effect right before ME2 came out and I actually really enjoyed it; much more than my first play through.  I don't think that will happen with this game, but at least I will have given it a complete review.  I feel like I owe it that much just based on my attachment to DAO.

When I get around to playing it perhaps I'll share my more informed opinion here and we can discuss it in a little more detail.  Everyone's thoughts have made for an interesting read.

Modifié par jvee, 20 septembre 2011 - 01:56 .