Witcher players... what do you have to do to meditate?? I'm having difficulty getting the menu to work. I know to use Ctl but when I get the meditation menu and click on Dusk, it starts the animation like time is passing but then even if I don't do anything it switches out and goes back to the original menu and no time has passed at all. I have to do a nighttime quest and I'm tearing my hair out. Is there some trick to it?
Also- going back to the earlier discussion on science- I want to apologize for getting overzealous. Looking back I think I was quite rude to Skadi and Pro_Consul in particular and I'm sorry about that. WTH do I know anyway. lol
Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 03:32
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Mediate, move the turner to dusk wait for the animation to pass then it should be night right?
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 04:34
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I've only played Witcher 1. Gotta click the hourglass to initiate actual meditation.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 04:36
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Speaking of which . . . does the Witcher 2 have the "mouse intensive" control option like Witcher 1. My friend says it's all keyboard but he's notorious for plowing through initial settings without paying attention.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 04:37
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And why are you guys/gals still arguing about Lohgain? Everyone I see here has posted so extensively on this topic I'd have figured you'd all be done discussing it.
Not a criticism . . . just wondering.
Not a criticism . . . just wondering.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:07
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Ok I got it, never mind.
Why are we still talking about Loghain... on the past few pages, because I wrote a story about him and we were discussing interpretations.
Why are we still talking about Loghain... on the past few pages, because I wrote a story about him and we were discussing interpretations.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:11
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And because he is that awesome. A rare jewel when it comes to Bioware characters imo.
@ Hanz. I doubt TW2 can be played mouse intensive, but I am not sure so don't take my word on it. I don't have it installed on my laptop so I can't say, but I am sure someone here can.
@ Hanz. I doubt TW2 can be played mouse intensive, but I am not sure so don't take my word on it. I don't have it installed on my laptop so I can't say, but I am sure someone here can.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:12
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Hanz54321 wrote...
And why are you guys/gals still arguing about Lohgain? Everyone I see here has posted so extensively on this topic I'd have figured you'd all be done discussing it.
Not a criticism . . . just wondering.
I enjoy the camaraderie.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:14
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phaonica wrote...
I enjoy the camaraderie.
We make discussions and debates fun. A last vestige of the good old days. Brings a tear to the eye.
I wish people here play Alpha Protocol so we can discuss it. I'd be curious to see how much contempt and scorn my magnificent bastard Mike Thorton would get here
On a serious note, it does have some interesting themes. Global politics, accountability, the military-industrial complex, terrorism, patriotism (and to what degree)...etc.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:23
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Loghain is awesome.
And it does appear this thread is one of the few where old-school intellectuals can gather.
Sadness about Witcher 2. While I thought W1 got The Matrix treatment (great initial concept, crappy follow through), it was good enough to get me interested.
Ah well. Guess I'll keep waiting on Blizzard.
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And it does appear this thread is one of the few where old-school intellectuals can gather.
Sadness about Witcher 2. While I thought W1 got The Matrix treatment (great initial concept, crappy follow through), it was good enough to get me interested.
Ah well. Guess I'll keep waiting on Blizzard.
(edit for spelling)
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:33
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I thought TW1 had a great and powerful ending, so I disagree with that assessment.
I hope that Blizzard will get "darker" and more mature in Starcraft like they used to be. With more quality dialogue, man the dialogue in Wings of Liberty is so painfully cliche I can't see how it passed editing.
I hope that Blizzard will get "darker" and more mature in Starcraft like they used to be. With more quality dialogue, man the dialogue in Wings of Liberty is so painfully cliche I can't see how it passed editing.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 10:05
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Woke up this morning, Alpha protocol is now at 93% download. Three cheers for a crappy internet connection! 
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 02:55
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Holy crap, Skadi. I won't complain about my router anymore. (yes I will)
I liked Witcher 1's ending as well. All about dark and ambiguous. Their writing is super. I was hanging around in Lobelinden last night and heard the guy at the fire telling the story of the village. That is the kind of thing that makes these games so great- there is a sense of romance in small details, even if it's the melancholic sort of romance.
I liked Witcher 1's ending as well. All about dark and ambiguous. Their writing is super. I was hanging around in Lobelinden last night and heard the guy at the fire telling the story of the village. That is the kind of thing that makes these games so great- there is a sense of romance in small details, even if it's the melancholic sort of romance.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 03:06
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Woke up this morning, Alpha protocol is now at 93% download. Three cheers for a crappy internet connection!
Hip hip hourray.
The funny thing is that the download will be longer than the game.
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I addressed Witcher 1 in Off-Topic. But apparently my Steam copy left a few things out. My biggest beef was it had "The Matrix" Syndrome. Great ambience, great setting, great character, great story premise. But then Chapter 4 became filler. A bunch of random stuff while Geralt is hiding outside Vizima. By Chapter 5 we have mutants! Ooooh, mutants! Very unique. And a third mystery villian who we have to grind our way to through some warped vision of the future only to 2-shot the guy. All the while everyone is talking nonsense.
I just hated it. EDIT: Hate is a strong word - it was annoying. All this gobbilty ******. Then I've just saved a Kingdom that quite frankly I could care less about, and a Witcher tries to assassinate the king. Thus there is zero break in the action. It would be like if Origins ended with an attack on the new King/Queen . . . that's not an ending. It's TnA (Total Non-stop Action). Good stories need down time.
Ironically I loved StarCraft 2. But I judge it on a different scale from RPGs. I don't expect too much flushing out of the characters or a ton of dialogue in a RTS. But what they did do was exceptional. Yes, it had a happy ending . . . but that was after Kerrigan was betrayed and slaughtered billions in the first series.
And for your conflicted character, look no further than Tychus Findlay. By the 75% mark in the game it was obvious to me that he wanted so badly to follow Jim Raynor and become a force of good, but he had his own life to save. Sure, Tychus was no Loghain. But again - it's a RTS story, not a RPG.
I just hated it. EDIT: Hate is a strong word - it was annoying. All this gobbilty ******. Then I've just saved a Kingdom that quite frankly I could care less about, and a Witcher tries to assassinate the king. Thus there is zero break in the action. It would be like if Origins ended with an attack on the new King/Queen . . . that's not an ending. It's TnA (Total Non-stop Action). Good stories need down time.
Ironically I loved StarCraft 2. But I judge it on a different scale from RPGs. I don't expect too much flushing out of the characters or a ton of dialogue in a RTS. But what they did do was exceptional. Yes, it had a happy ending . . . but that was after Kerrigan was betrayed and slaughtered billions in the first series.
And for your conflicted character, look no further than Tychus Findlay. By the 75% mark in the game it was obvious to me that he wanted so badly to follow Jim Raynor and become a force of good, but he had his own life to save. Sure, Tychus was no Loghain. But again - it's a RTS story, not a RPG.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 03:23
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Mutants certainly did not annoy me more than a bunch of orcs that want to destroy the world, some ancient machine race that wants to destroy the galaxy or some idiotic idol with no motives at all. The mutants are not the point, Jacque de Aldesberg is, he makes the ending and I thought he was better than all Bioware antagonists put together (exception is Loghain). Which is why chapter 4 is NOT a filler, but is crucial to his development.
Starcraft 1's story was much better than Wings of Liberty in my eyes. Tychus could have been interesting to me if they didn't make him an obvious typical macho cliche saying machine.
Starcraft 1's story was much better than Wings of Liberty in my eyes. Tychus could have been interesting to me if they didn't make him an obvious typical macho cliche saying machine.
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That's what I'm talking about - Tychus was more than a cliche just as Loghain was more than just some power hungry traitor to the crown. It's just presented in a different format.
Jaque was the guy who the game hints at being Alvin, yes? Yeah - I'm SHOCKED that you would rank him better than ANY of BioWare's antagonists. I feel about him the way you feel about Tychus - cardboard cut-out megalomaniac seemingly stupidly powerful psychotic villian. Guy bored the shyt out of me.
That's not an attack, mind you. I'm just suprised we are so polar on these characters.
But back to SC2 - bear in mind I would not feel nearly as positive about the story if SC1 had never been.
It all comes back to the Darth Vader principle. People want to see redemption. Loghain is redeemed. Tychus and Kerrigan are redeemed. But there can be no redemption without first a fall from grace and a period of villiany.
Jaque was the guy who the game hints at being Alvin, yes? Yeah - I'm SHOCKED that you would rank him better than ANY of BioWare's antagonists. I feel about him the way you feel about Tychus - cardboard cut-out megalomaniac seemingly stupidly powerful psychotic villian. Guy bored the shyt out of me.
That's not an attack, mind you. I'm just suprised we are so polar on these characters.
But back to SC2 - bear in mind I would not feel nearly as positive about the story if SC1 had never been.
It all comes back to the Darth Vader principle. People want to see redemption. Loghain is redeemed. Tychus and Kerrigan are redeemed. But there can be no redemption without first a fall from grace and a period of villiany.
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I rank him much higher than all their antagonists *put together*, if we are to remove Loghain from the equation, yes. What bored the shyt out of me is Malak, the blight, the reapers and Orsino / Meredith / Arishok / idol crap.
I am not that surprised however and you are of course entitled to your opinion.
Tychus' conflict is the only thing that makes him have a character, so he ends up being one dimensional for me. The presentation of SC2's story was phenomenal for an RTS. But the content? I couldn't care less about. And I am hoping heart of the swarm and legacy of the void get darker and less cliched than Wings.
I am not that surprised however and you are of course entitled to your opinion.
Tychus' conflict is the only thing that makes him have a character, so he ends up being one dimensional for me. The presentation of SC2's story was phenomenal for an RTS. But the content? I couldn't care less about. And I am hoping heart of the swarm and legacy of the void get darker and less cliched than Wings.
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Only other comment I have is darker is not always better. Since they have 2 games to go, something dark obviously has to happen as they need some kind of tension. But ending SC with "and they saved the Universe happily ever after," would not disqualify it as a good ending.
Oh . . . was Jaques supposed to be Alvin? The game made that insinuation, but never clarified it. Again, this seemed awfully cliche to me.
Oh . . . was Jaques supposed to be Alvin? The game made that insinuation, but never clarified it. Again, this seemed awfully cliche to me.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:01
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It would for me, if the costs are not emphasized. The Protoss won in SC1 but at huge costs. And if it ends up being an alliance against the Dark Voice that we saw a million times, I will not be enthusiastic about it. I'd rather have something like broodwar or Frozen Throne.
It's kept ambiguous but yes Jacques is Alvin. I am not sure how that is cliche, I've never played a game where the protagonist got to develop the antagonist. He is certainly much less cliche than orcs, machine exterminatus race, or one ring soul edge.
And even if it's cliche (certainly not more than Bioware ones), I thought it was very well done anyways. He was a great character imo and the fact that Geralt got to develop him makes it a powerful ending. So much so that I teared up.
It's kept ambiguous but yes Jacques is Alvin. I am not sure how that is cliche, I've never played a game where the protagonist got to develop the antagonist. He is certainly much less cliche than orcs, machine exterminatus race, or one ring soul edge.
And even if it's cliche (certainly not more than Bioware ones), I thought it was very well done anyways. He was a great character imo and the fact that Geralt got to develop him makes it a powerful ending. So much so that I teared up.
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Posté 28 septembre 2011 - 05:08
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The reason why Jaques is amazing is that you shape his world views while he is with you as Alvin, that's why Chapter 4 exists, to forge a bond between Geralt and Alvin, that is it's primary function. Jaques will talk different things depending on what you told him in Chapter 4 and before on how to view the world and how to use great power.
Well that and to bone a godess.
Neah seriously, it's to meet Berengar.
Well that and to bone a godess.
Neah seriously, it's to meet Berengar.
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I have a short break before going to my billionth meeting. Wanted to take the time and say that Michael Thorton of Alpha protocol is my favorite protagonist and that the game is great. But has major flaws as well.
What I realized is how pro-active he is, even when you are not playing him as a magnificent bastard (though naturally he would be more pro-active if you did). No one is telling him to do anything really. On several occasions, he can demonstrate intelligence and foresight. And all that, without giving the impression that he is ridiculously overpowered and doesn't need any help and without overshawoding the other characters and making them grossly incompetent. Some might argue that him being a magnificent bastard is far-fetched, but I think it was done reasonably well within the context of the game and setting (in the real world, it obviously doesn't work that way). It was consistent with the lore for the most part.
This is very rare from a video game protagonist. Especially bioware ones, they have very little room to be pro-active. Which is a big reason as to why the Warden is my favorite thus far. He does not come close to Michael, but Origins did have moments where I could excercize some pro-activity. Shepard vritually has nothing and I won't get into the most recent one, his role in the game is pretty clear.
What I realized is how pro-active he is, even when you are not playing him as a magnificent bastard (though naturally he would be more pro-active if you did). No one is telling him to do anything really. On several occasions, he can demonstrate intelligence and foresight. And all that, without giving the impression that he is ridiculously overpowered and doesn't need any help and without overshawoding the other characters and making them grossly incompetent. Some might argue that him being a magnificent bastard is far-fetched, but I think it was done reasonably well within the context of the game and setting (in the real world, it obviously doesn't work that way). It was consistent with the lore for the most part.
This is very rare from a video game protagonist. Especially bioware ones, they have very little room to be pro-active. Which is a big reason as to why the Warden is my favorite thus far. He does not come close to Michael, but Origins did have moments where I could excercize some pro-activity. Shepard vritually has nothing and I won't get into the most recent one, his role in the game is pretty clear.
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It would for me, if the costs are not emphasized. The Protoss won in SC1 but at huge costs. And if it ends up being an alliance against the Dark Voice that we saw a million times, I will not be enthusiastic about it. I'd rather have something like broodwar or Frozen Throne.
It's kept ambiguous but yes Jacques is Alvin. I am not sure how that is cliche, I've never played a game where the protagonist got to develop the antagonist. He is certainly much less cliche than orcs, machine exterminatus race, or one ring soul edge.
And even if it's cliche (certainly not more than Bioware ones), I thought it was very well done anyways. He was a great character imo and the fact that Geralt got to develop him makes it a powerful ending. So much so that I teared up.
Mmmm. Well, Frozen Throne had it's happy ending - Wrath of the Lich King. I guess you could say Bolivar's choice foreshadows history repeating itself, but again I go to the all-popular redemption angle. Arthas was redeemed. Same thing is coming with StarCraft. Sure, Broodwar was dark . . . but it was not the ending. StarCraft 2 will (hopefully) be the ending.
As to Jacques - you keep comparing him to orcs, blights, etc. Not a good comparison. Drowners, Echinops, Ghouls . . . those are compareable to Darkspawn. Ironically, I liked the low level villians much better in Witcher.
Jacques is comparable to Sarevok, Irenicus, Malak, etc. That's the bar I hold him to. I won't say he's less interesting again because I already said it. But since StarCraft has entered in to the discussion: Mensk. Arcturus Mensk is a far more interesting antagonist than Jacques. And Mensk is a RTS character! So I guess I did repeat myself there - but it expands my point.
Naturally Loghain has left the building as no video game antagonist is as good as Loghain. No point in drawing comparisons there as it's a bar set too high.
I figure Jacques is Alvin. And I agree it's a neat plot device. But the implementation was just bad. To this day there is no official confirmation. But the implementation was so bad it's actually needed.
As to Geralt and AL bonding in Chapter 4 . . . couldn't that have been done during visits to Triss/Shani's house during Chapter 3? We really needed Gilligan's Island to do that? I enjoyed Chapter 4 but it was filler for me much like the Alienage investigation in Origins and, well, MOST of DA2.
Alrighty, I'm rambling. All things that came to mind. Glad your new game is going well KoP. I'd try it but it sounds like another game that requires both hands.
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I am comparing him to other main antagonists.
I actually like him more than Loghain (slightly more) but he is the only bioware antagonist that comes close to him in my eyes. The rest do not fit in the same category. My 3 favorite antagonists are Jacques, Letho (TW2) and Loghain.
Mengsk was interesting in SC1 not in 2 imo. I still think Jacques is better.
Of course that is just my opinion, it's not my intent to impose it. Just that I like him that I feel somewhat obligated to defend him.
I actually like him more than Loghain (slightly more) but he is the only bioware antagonist that comes close to him in my eyes. The rest do not fit in the same category. My 3 favorite antagonists are Jacques, Letho (TW2) and Loghain.
Mengsk was interesting in SC1 not in 2 imo. I still think Jacques is better.
Of course that is just my opinion, it's not my intent to impose it. Just that I like him that I feel somewhat obligated to defend him.
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Wow. I never would've guessed you liked ANYBODY better than Loghain.
I think Mengsk will be good once all three SC2 chapters have been released. He really hasn't been dealt with yet.
I've yet to find a satisfactory game since Origins and SC2. Maybe I've played enough that it's lost it's allure for me. I'm an old man and I've been gaming for 25 years. I've seen every story and plot twist out there. Maybe I'll hang up my spurs once StarCraft is done.
I think Mengsk will be good once all three SC2 chapters have been released. He really hasn't been dealt with yet.
I've yet to find a satisfactory game since Origins and SC2. Maybe I've played enough that it's lost it's allure for me. I'm an old man and I've been gaming for 25 years. I've seen every story and plot twist out there. Maybe I'll hang up my spurs once StarCraft is done.
