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[phaonica]

To some extent, I like that some things are left for our characters to simply not ever know the truth. On the other hand, Origins is at the end of it's development and as a player, I don't mind if they want to fill in some of the blanks for us. This one happens to be something revealed in this team's favor, but even if it wasn't I'd be okay with it. After all, I've seen before where DG "revealed" something that wasn't spelled out in the game, and the fans attacked it and he expressed that maybe he shouldn't have said anything at all

I'd hate for him to think that it wasn't any fun to fill in blanks for us.

[phaonica]

To me, Word of God is something that is not shown in the game, but something extra that is revealed to be true outside of the game. To me, in this case, Word of God is saying that Loghain was originally supposed to find out about Cailan's plan earlier, but didn't. Instead he learns about it in RtO. I think it's still not "rock solid evidence" that Orlais intended to invade Ferelden. But it does add to the argument for it, imo.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think there was enough clues for us to reach the conclusion. If you talk to the men at Ostagar and Duncan, they say that the horde is getting bigger and bigger. The guard in RtO also says something like that, that it was bigger than expected.

About Eamon, consider this. Why didn't he die when the demon that supposedly was keeping him alive, died? One reason could be because he was never meant to die and thart elven spy was sent to observe.

So even in-game, I believe we *could* have reached those conclusions. That does not mean that those who do not reach that conclusion in game are idiots. The game itself leaves room for interpretattion and I think those of Loghain not wanting to kill Eemon, and that Ostagar was probably lost are supported in-game.

[Zjarcal]

I just wish so much important things hadn't been cut from the game. Leaving certain areas in the dark on purpose is one thing, but when you have to end up cutting things due to budget and time constraints it's another.

You can get enough hints that support the idea that Loghain was right but it's really easy for them to get lost in the mix. As stated earlier, I always execute Loghain in my games except for one. Lucky for Loggy, that game is my canon!

This revelation does make RtO a much more valuable addition to the game in my opinion.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 septembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Monica21]

Zjarcal wrote...
This revelation does make RtO a much more valuable addition to the game in my opinion.

Indeed. As if I wasn't already looking forward to RtO in my current playthrough.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I wasn't going to buy RtO. Until now.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wasn't going to buy RtO. Until now.

[Sarah1281]

Just don't take Alistair and Wynne. Wynne tries to hit on him the whole time and when Alistair finds the letters, he gets pissed at Loghain again because of how close Cailan was to finding peace.

[KnightofPhoenix]

And that makes even wynne look worse "Boo hoo Cailan looved Anora" Yea, stfu Wynne.

[Monica21]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Just don't take Alistair and Wynne. Wynne tries to hit on him the whole time and when Alistair finds the letters, he gets pissed at Loghain again because of how close Cailan was to finding peace.

Taking Alistair and Wynne was traumatizing. I did it once, and never again. That last line of hers before you head back into the tunnels... *shudder*

[phaonica]

RtO gets a lot of grief, but it was already one of my favorite DLCs. Going back to Ostagar, picking up some neato gear, new banter, Cailan's "funeral". I liked it.

Modifié par phaonica, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[Monica21]

I liked it, but I'll like it more with Loghain.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am so going to leave Cailan's body to rot.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am so going to leave Cailan's body to rot.

Aw, I'm not. Morons are still human beings (or dwarven-beings, elven-beings, whichever we happen to be referring to at the time). He might have been a screw-up, but once he's dead, I don't want to continue to wish harm upon him. It's needless, at that point.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

You do have the option of leaving him to the wolves, and Sarah says that what Loghain wants you to do, so that at least the darkspawn don't have a trophy. I can see how Loghain would think Cailan is entirely unworthy of a noble funeral.

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

You could throw him to the wolves...that could be considered a funeral, performed by barbarians maybe. Not a very "Cousland" type action though

[Monica21]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

You could throw him to the wolves...that could be considered a funeral, performed by barbarians maybe. Not a very "Cousland" type action though

Depends on what your Cousland thinks of the King marrying the Empress.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

It does force your character to look sad, but I think that happens no matter what conversation choices you pick, so you're out of luck in that area. I think you can still have a funeral for him without saying he was a great man or a great king or anything, if I remember right.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well I wish we had the option to burry him or burn him without making us look sad about him. Feeding him to wolves, while tempting, is a bit...I don't know. Pointless And I pity wolves. .

[Kryyptehk]

Monica21 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've seen the cutscene and giving him a funeral forces me to acknowledge him as a good king or something and be sad. Is there a way for me to make that funeral for him and still be disgusted by him?

You could throw him to the wolves...that could be considered a funeral, performed by barbarians maybe. Not a very "Cousland" type action though

Depends on what your Cousland thinks of the King marrying the Empress.

I'm hesistant to base my games on the original concept, given the fact that Alistair was originally a senior Warden and that is obviously not the case now. If they included a letter from Cailan or something that indicated he WAS going to marry the Empress, than maybe, but just be friendly with her doesn't really scream "infedility" to me. Especially since no one but Loghain brings it up.

I think there was a reason that they left that storyline out, and it is because it doesn't really make any sense. I don't really see a reason for Cailan to spit on his father's good name by marrying the Orlesian Empress unless that would mean he took over Orlais.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Except Gaider said that RtO was made based on that original concept, so it is canon.

Oh and welcome back Kryy

[Kryyptehk]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Except Gaider said that RtO was made based on that original concept, so it is canon.
Oh and welcome back Kryy

Based on, not a duplicate of. As I said, I'm hesitant to believe that, just because it makes no freaking sense. Cailan was all about glory and living up to his father, so why would he undo all his father's work by marrying Celene? Again, unless he was getting Orlais, then I see no good reason for him to marry Celene.

And thank you

[Monica21]

Kryyptehk wrote...
I'm hesistant to base my games on the original concept, given the fact that Alistair was originally a senior Warden and that is obviously not the case now. If they included a letter from Cailan or something that indicated he WAS going to marry the Empress, than maybe, but just be friendly with her doesn't really scream "infedility" to me. Especially since no one but Loghain brings it up.

I think there was a reason that they left that storyline out, and it is because it doesn't really make any sense. I don't really see a reason for Cailan to spit on his father's good name by marrying the Orlesian Empress unless that would mean he took over Orlais.

When RtO was first released there was quite a bit of speculation about what the letters meant. There was Eamon's plea for Cailan to put Anora aside (I swear I need a macro for typing that), Cailan's formal letter to the Empress, and then the notation about a very informal letter from the Empress mentioning a "permanent alliance." The conclusion by most was "well, that's odd but we can't know what it means." Gaider just confirmed that it did mean what we thought it meant.

And it doesn't make sense, but Cailan didn't do much of anything that made sense during the short time we knew him.

Modifié par Monica21, 06 septembre 2010 - 04:46 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Kryyptehk wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Except Gaider said that RtO was made based on that original concept, so it is canon.
Oh and welcome back Kryy

Based on, not a duplicate of. As I said, I'm hesitant to believe that, just because it makes no freaking sense. Cailan was all about glory and living up to his father, so why would he undo all his father's work by marrying Celene? Again, unless he was getting Orlais, then I see no good reason for him to marry Celene.

And thank you

Of course it makes no sense. Hence why people like me have been arguing that Cailan is an idiot.