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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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CalJones

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Ah I see. I always thought of Shaheed and Al Samad as being based on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda so he generally doesn't survive in my games. I notice the ending (news during the credits) is bugged if you spare him but he's killed by the missile because it thinks he's alive. No matter.

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Costin_Razvan

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I think Al Samad was part of Al Qaeda before Bin Laden pissed off the Saudi Royal family ( and then started his acts of terrorism against the US if I am correct ), then they split.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 novembre 2011 - 06:36 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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The dossier says it was created in late 1980s, same as Al-Qaeda. I think Al-Samad was supposed to stand for Al Qaeda because Obsidian would rather not have al-Qaeda be in there directly.

That being said, based on what Shaheed said, I would classify Al-Samad as more nationalist than Islamist. Shaheed continuously mentions how his country is being unjustly treated and shows respect to a patriotic Thorton. It could again though be due to Obsidian being unwilling to explore militant Islamic fundamentalism.

In terms of rethoric, Al-Samad seems to be closer to Hamas and Hezbollah.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 29 novembre 2011 - 07:00 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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I am watching HBO's Rome again. Never really noticed how stupid Atia is, not one thing she calculates right.

Anyways, it's a fun show, with well developed and complex characters. It manages to make even Marc Antony likeable to me.

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Morwen Eledhwen

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am watching HBO's Rome again. Never really noticed how stupid Atia is, not one thing she calculates right.

Anyways, it's a fun show, with well developed and complex characters. It manages to make even Marc Antony likeable to me.


Very few things in that show that are calculated turn out the way they were planned, if I recall --at least not until Octavian grows up. Most of the biggest things seem to happen by accident (i.e., Vorenus and Pullo), or unforeseen consequence, or something. Still a good show though.

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KnightofPhoenix

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Yes, but she thinks she is in control when she is absolutely not, that's what makes her stupid. But still an interesting character.

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Morwen Eledhwen

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes, but she thinks she is in control when she is absolutely not, that's what makes her stupid. But still an interesting character.


Well, but that's a classic [censored word, starts with "b"] character trait from soap operas or nighttime dramas or anything of that ilk. Totally selfish, always scheming, seems to have spider webs and tentacles in everybody's business --and then the audience gets to watch it all come crashing down on her while she screams like a harridan and rends her garments. And then starts plotting her revenge. I'm guessing it probably isn't historically accurate for this particular character, but it does make good entertainment.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:08 .


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Her schemes never go up to come crashing down in the first place. At least that's my impression.

The most lulzy thing she does is constantly push Octavian to become something and when he becomes the most powerful Roman in history, she hates it.

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Morwen Eledhwen

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Hahahaha. . .That is pretty funny. It never seemed to enter her head that her "upbringing" of Octavian might cause him to (a) decide that a good moral cleansing was in order for the noble families of Rome and (B) have no respect or affection for her. Oops. . .

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"As soon as I can legally put my mother under house arrest, I am so out of here."

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 03 décembre 2011 - 05:22 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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Posca: "It is the law"
Ptolemy XIII's adviser: "Roman Law"
Caesar: "Is there some other form of law? You wretched woman."

Typical Roman badass.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 décembre 2011 - 06:40 .


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Now there's an rpg idea if ever there was one, the game of houses as played by the roman patriarchs, with your protagonist set square in the midst of the morass. Alpha Protocol with togas.

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KnightofPhoenix

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I'd rather play a protagonist like Octavian. Failing that, like Agrippa.

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Morwen Eledhwen

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On another note, I finally upgraded my video card and am now able at long last to play the Enhanced Edition of TW1 that I downloaded months ago. It crashed just after the battle of the evil glowy hounds. . .I should have saved, I should have saved more often, dammit.

Question: if the game auto-saves, do those stick around for me to access next time, or do they disappear when I exit the game like the auto-saves in DA:O?

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I'd prefer an Arminius, years of subservience and lowered eyes while the shadows under the teutoburger wald beckoned.

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To put this topic back on track.

Loghain is a fool who cant let go of the past. Just like Zathrian.

A bastard of an Orlesian commander raped and killed his mother and he had to become an outlaw because his father hunted the man down and killed him. And he uses that grudge for decades as an excuse to let himself hold a prejudice against any and everything Orlesian(Plenty of Fereldans have committed crimes just as, if not more heinous. Look at Rendon Howe, Vaughn Kendalls, and even Loghain himself).

To put it simply, you cant blame all for the actions of the few. It's true that the Orlesian court is dangerous and the Chevaliers are awarded with rights that aren't just. But that's no excuse to cast them all as monsters, especially when Ferelden can use their aid to battle real monsters.

Loghain should have thought about it that way. Four Legions of Chevaliers are better to die at the hands of Darkspawn than Fereldan troops.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 04 décembre 2011 - 02:07 .


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KnightofPhoenix

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
Question: if the game auto-saves, do those stick around for me to access next time, or do they disappear when I exit the game like the auto-saves in DA:O?


I think you can access them, but I am not sure.
But yea, I'd save often were I you.

And I am reminded of the gloomy ambience The Witcher had in the Outskirts. At first I found it tedious but now I kind of miss it.

On another note, I just watched the movie: Immortals. ****ing piece of ****. The only redeeming thing about these 2 hours of waste was meeting a close friend that I like who suffered the same predicament.

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Re: Immortals: I heard it was violent, empty of thought, and purty to look at. Have you seen Titus (the Anthony Hopkins movie of the Shakespeare Titus Andronicus play)? I've also heard it compared to that which (for some strange reason) I like.

Modifié par tklivory, 04 décembre 2011 - 03:33 .


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blothulfur wrote...

I'd prefer an Arminius, years of subservience and lowered eyes while the shadows under the teutoburger wald beckoned.

:wub:

I seriously may write an Armnius-Thusnelda novel someday.  If I can convince myself I wouldn't **** it up.

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I'd rather not be on the side of relative primitives for once. I want to be on the side of the ever so demonized empires.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And I am reminded of the gloomy ambience The Witcher had in the Outskirts. At first I found it tedious but now I kind of miss it.


I think it being tedious is kind of the point in a way. Hell, even the swamp was great like that. Twas annoying as hell when you were in there, but well, that was kind of the point.

Random, I'm listening to the tracks from the TW1 soundtrack right now... effin' epic soundtrack is effin' epic.

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KnightofPhoenix

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Yea it does have a unique soundtrack. I adore the main menu theme.

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blothulfur wrote...

I'd prefer an Arminius, years of subservience and lowered eyes while the shadows under the teutoburger wald beckoned.


He gets really too much credit for that.

 I'd rather not be on the side of relative primitives for once. I want to be on the side of the ever so demonized empires.


Personally I would like a story about Scipio Afrikanus. The guy who saved Rome and got screwed over by it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 04 décembre 2011 - 05:50 .


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Costin_Razvan wrote...

Personally I would like a story about Scipio Afrikanus. The guy who saved Rome and got screwed over by it.


Now there's a list of people with no end... Posted Image

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Finally caved and purchased the DLC item pack for Dragon Age 2 that contained Loghain's armor, though upon reading the codex entries related to him they certainly do rub in the negative aspects of the character far too hard.

Is it wrong of me to think they'll bring back Loghain later and make us regret sparing him, twisting a moustache and telling us that he wanted Cailan dead all along? The cynic in me is worried.

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Costin_Razvan wrote...

blothulfur wrote...

I'd prefer an Arminius, years of subservience and lowered eyes while the shadows under the teutoburger wald beckoned.


He gets really too much credit for that.

What are you talking about?  Not only was it a brilliantly executed plan preceded by the very difficult task of uniting the tribes in that area, his victory kept Rome from ever occupying east of the Rhine again.  They did get their revenge by slaughtering a lot of people and capturing his pregnant wife.  His son died a slave in the Roman arena.  Basically without Arminius, there probably wouldn't be anything such as a "German" culture.  Everyone would have been Latinized.  That might not mean much to you, but it's my heritage and it means a lot to me.  It is a shame that he and Maraboduus did not join forces.

I also just think it makes for a terrific story, especially if you add in that Thusnelda opposed her parents to marry him, and his FIL tried to rat his ambush plan out to the Romans.  Varus didn't believe the report because he knew about the conflict over Thusnelda.  Lots of drama.

Modifié par Addai67, 04 décembre 2011 - 08:43 .