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[Costin_Razvan]

I admit I didn't have time to watch the movie you linked Knight, until now.

But that first scene where Augustus goes through crowds of people...almost like he is a peasant, and then when someone tries to kill Augustus the crowd beats the living **** out of the assassin...well that's just brilliant.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Watched all of it? If so, I'd be interested in reading your opinion.

Yea I like that first scene, and how Julia like an idiot says that Augustus is king in front of everyone. Sigh

[Costin_Razvan]

 Was finishing my Skyrim LP with a special clip: Skyrim Walkthrough Ending

Great game. Better then TW2? Never, but's it's above the puddle of bile that Bioware makes.

P.S. Sorry I didn't reply on Skype. Was sleeping with my PC on.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 décembre 2011 - 06:57 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Have some Loghain art:



As always, this is by Bitenomnom, who has once again provided a stellar illustration for my latest fic!chapter. Click on the pic link if you wish to see the pic in its full size on deviantArt and/or leave feedback and cookies and stuff.

In case you're wondering why he's not wearing the River Dane armor, well. . .that was damaged a couple of chapters ago, and he was forced to borrow this dwarven heavy armor from Bodahn while Wade makes repairs. The Mage has had a rather unfortunate encounter with the Keening Blade, is why she's looking a little the worse for wear here.

[tklivory]

Ooo, me likey! I've always loved the look of your Warden. Of course, she looks a little... tired there. I've started on your story, so I haven't read this chapter yet, but I will get there!

Mmmm... cookies...

The world needs more Loghain art. This is great, the one a few pages back with Loghain and Anora was wonderful... I guess I need to spend more time on DeviantArt.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

tklivory wrote...

Ooo, me likey! I've always loved the look of your Warden. Of course, she looks a little... tired there. I've started on your story, so I haven't read this chapter yet, but I will get there!

Yay! Yeah, this is a rarity for her. She usually doesn't get the snot kicked out of her quite this bad --or at all, really --she's quite embarrassed.

The world needs more Loghain art. This is great, the one a few pages back with Loghain and Anora was wonderful... I guess I need to spend more time on DeviantArt.

Pretty much all Loghain art eventually ends up here. Cookies, indeed. . .

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:31 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Argh, double post. That's it, I'm going to bed.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:30 .

[Persephone]

HAD to share this. :O:O

[tklivory]

Persephone wrote...

HAD to share this. :O:O

*giggle*  I know that's the dialogue is taken directly from the game, but the expressions!  Verrah nice, thanks! 


WAIT, is giggling allowed here?

Modifié par tklivory, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai would disagree haha
For me there is no doubt who reshaped history more, but they were both brilliant.

I just personally find the Romans dull.  Whether they influenced this or that is irrelevant to me.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 décembre 2011 - 04:53 .

[Costin_Razvan]

So you would rather live among the barbarians then?

[Addai]

I don't know to whom you refer. The Romans were pretty barbaric at times.

[tklivory]

Well, shoot, how is that different than right now? (I keed, I keed)

Although, when you think about it, the history of civilization is pretty much every culture pointing at the last one and saying "Barbarians!" (except in the time prior to the Berbers, of course. Then they probably just called them "Primitives!" or something).

[Costin_Razvan]

Addai67 wrote...

I don't know to whom you refer. The Romans were pretty barbaric at times.

The Germans, the Gauls, The Goths or the Iceni for instance.

[Addai]

You mean where I would prefer to have lived? Not Rome. Though I only said I found the Romans dull and didn't care whether they were influential, in terms of what interests me to study/ read about. That term is highly prejudiced and I don't really care about the priorities and outlook of modernity on past cultures.

The Romans called anyone who was not Roman "barbarian." It's a meaningless term and perjorative. The fact that you and KoP keep using it is irritating, but I've come to expect that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I say "primitive", not "barbaric" (it's not a word I use and I have received ire from my friends because I refuse to call Imazighen "berbers"). And no, I do not believe that Romans were the only ones who were civilized, even in their zenith.

I do believe however that some polities were more primitive than others in certain periods. My people included.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 décembre 2011 - 03:26 .

[Addai]

"Primitive" is also prejudicial. I don't consider the Viking culture primitive, for instance, though I would guess you and Costin do.

At any rate, those considerations are not a priority for me in what I prefer to study or in what I personally hold dear.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's not prejudiced in that I say that without studying them. I did not study them that much in depth, but I know the basics and from what I know, I do say they are primitive compared to the rest in that same period.

[tklivory]

Hmmm... That depends on the definition of primitive, and whether you're talking sociological, technological, or another element of society that ends with -ogical. For example, I think it can safely be said that, technologically, the Vikings had some pretty darn sophisticated boat making techniques that we still haven't been able to fully re-create using modern tools. And, in certain areas, the Aztecs had raised certain elements of, say, architecture to a higher standard than other cultures around them or even several cultures that followed. Certainly ancient Egypt (however they did it) is known for several advanced technological wonders that are *still* debated about.

That being said, each of those societies had elements in their culture (raiding, human sacrifice, and familial incest within the ruling family, as examples) that by modern standards would be called 'barbaric' or 'primitive'. I personally think it comes down to modern values and aesthetics. I mean, in the Byzantine Empire, the rulers that were overthrown weren't killed because that would be 'barbaric' - instead, their eyes just got gouged out.

Not really sure what point I had, just wanted to say some thoughts I had on barbarism/primitive/different viewpoints of culture, &c. By modern standards, polygyny is seen as primitive by Western societies (outside of some outlying sections of Mormonism), and yet it is a common practice in many advanced contemporary societies, so obviously it isn't 'really' primitive, but merely a cultural contrast.

/Random musings are random.

Modifié par tklivory, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

My definition is purely relative. Of course the vikings had sophisticated boat making techniques. But their political / economic system and structure, their cultural / intellectual output and their technology in fields other than boat making, was relatively primitive.

I do not believe anything is primitive in absolute. But some things are more sophisticated than others, and some societies / polities *on the whole* are more sophisticated than others, notwithstanding certain fields.

Not talking about issues related to ethics and morality, I am not interested in that.

If by "advanced contemporary societies" that accept polygyny, you mean the Islamic world, I'll be the first to say that now it's relatively primitive compared to others. Not because of polygamy.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 décembre 2011 - 07:49 .

[blothulfur]

There were a lot of strangely contemporary ideas in viking culture: A woman could divorce her husband and had equal right in terms of goods and such brought into the marriage, a mans religion was his own business and not to be questioned, any man could seek justice at the thing or if needs be in a holmgang.

Of course the fact that they were an illiterate people held them back, then again most of the warrior class gone a viking over vast distances could usually speak a little greek (the english of its time) or a little latin. Their skalds relied on mnemonic tricks to learn the eddas and sagas that would be passed down from master to student and these were also often learned by members of the aristocracy because the scandinavians seemed to have an insatiable appetite for learning (Strangely enough this is still the case, Iceland for instance has a hundred percent literacy rate).

They had dynamism and savage ambition, but that independant go getting attitude also seemed to have limited their ability to build something greater despite their victories.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Indeed, I do not want to make it sound like I think these societies are worthless and did not provide something worth learning from or adopting.

Like I said earlier, on the topic of Rome, I reject a lot of aspects of Roman culture and I would identify more with certain ideas and norms of relatively primitive societies. That doesn't change the fact that Rome was the more advanced, more powerful civilization and the more influential.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 décembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[Persephone]

A question for the historians and the politically inclined:

What is your opinion in the Peron Regime and the Evita myth?

She sure as hell kept her hubby in power... But I'm interested in what you guys think.

[blothulfur]

True. Rome was its own worst enemy at times, but no one can deny its accomplishments.

[tklivory]

By Evita myth, do you mean the legend that was deliberately crafted by them, or what came up after her death among the populace?