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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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Kryyptehk wrote...

None of the dialogue bothered me until Alistair's came up. I didn't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne but not with the Warden, who fought beside him at Ostagar and who he oversaw getting Joined (and who potentially was in love with him). After I was done, the whole DLC left a bad taste in my mouth and now I don't even play it. The last time I played it was so I could have Cailan's armor for Awakening.

I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .

And have you played Awakening? The First Warden couldn't be more thrilled that the GWs have an Arling.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

None of the dialogue bothered me until Alistair's came up. I didn't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne but not with the Warden, who fought beside him at Ostagar and who he oversaw getting Joined (and who potentially was in love with him). After I was done, the whole DLC left a bad taste in my mouth and now I don't even play it. The last time I played it was so I could have Cailan's armor for Awakening.

I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .

And have you played Awakening? The First Warden couldn't be more thrilled that the GWs have an Arling.


I'll admit, I've only played Awakening once. I didn't like it and it felt like a chore further in.

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I guess this revelation doesn't come as a surprise to some, but I'm sure it's a helluva shock to most everyone else. I always thought it was kind of odd that Loghain would jump to such a conclusion given the lack of hard evidence that Cailan was going to dump Anora. I think this is what makes the game so intriguing and polarizing - people interpret the same things differently.


Loghain is no politician, it's true, but he has spent most of his life in political circles. I'm sure he knew that Cailan was in contact with Orlais, even if he didn't realize fully what Cailan was planning. There is rarely "hard evidence" when it comes to political conspiring. It's all about connecting the dots.

I also think this is why things were muddled in my head about Eamon urging Cailan to dump Anora, my mind just made the leap to Celene even though he didn't suggest it. It seems that was all Cailan's brilliance.

Yeah, I don't think Eamon realized that if Cailan was unmarried that he would seriously consider a marriage to Celene.

I also wondered why Cailan would have asked (his name escapes me at the moment) the member of his vanguard to give the key to Duncan or the Grey Wardens. Why get it to Anora? My mind now makes a leap to the GWs possibly knowing about the burgeoning relationship between Celene and Cailan... Would it benefit the GWs for this union to happen? Yes, I know - my mind is a runaway train.

I imagine that few outside of Celene's closest circle, and Cailan knew about this. If Celene was successful in marrying Cailan, there would be no need for an invasion, and no reason for the Wardens to be involved. Edit: Though now that I've looked ahead and seen KoP's post, I agree that there is a potential that the Wardens were attempting to expand their political power.... so really, on a different subject, I think when I mentioned that Loghain may have thought that the Wardens wanted glory as much as Cailan did, that's really not that far-fetched...

I've once again realized that Loghain's so-called paranoia once again has a good foundation. His instincts are pretty damn good. I'm not saying he's perfect by any means but the man did not raise to his rank by luck.


Exactly. I think it was Monica who was saying (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that it was a shame that so often in the books, his instincts were usually correct, but then in the game his instincts can't keep things together. It's frustrating.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

 I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .


Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image

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phaonica wrote...
Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


But men age better than women *runs off and hides* Posted Image

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I don't think Cailan marrying Celene would benefit the Wardens, given the fact that the Wardens are readily accepted ever since Maric.


Consider that an absorbed Ferelden means a larger portion of Thedas working under one agency in the case of a Blight.  More resources, working in unison, without the need for tricky political alliances and mistrust.  I don't mean to encourage the idea, but there is a certain practicality to it that doesn't involve strictly personal gain.

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phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .


Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image

Yeah, but Wynne is pretty OOC in RtO. At least in my opinion. I actually felt uncomfortable for the voice actress. Loghain, well, we can always get to know better. ;)

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Kryyptehk wrote...
I don't think Cailan marrying Celene would benefit the Wardens, given the fact that the Wardens are readily accepted ever since Maric.


Consider that an absorbed Ferelden means a larger portion of Thedas working under one agency in the case of a Blight.  More resources, working in unison, without the need for tricky political alliances and mistrust.  I don't mean to encourage the idea, but there is a certain practicality to it that doesn't involve strictly personal gain.


Indeed. If I was a devoted Warden (my character isn't), I would definately at least consider it.
 
If you find the concept interesting, I definately recomend LadyDamodred's FF "Sundered Order". It talks about this really well.
Here's the link: http://social.biowar...7/index/1886354

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jvee wrote...

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I don't think Cailan marrying Celene would benefit the Wardens, given the fact that the Wardens are readily accepted ever since Maric.


Consider that an absorbed Ferelden means a larger portion of Thedas working under one agency in the case of a Blight.  More resources, working in unison, without the need for tricky political alliances and mistrust.  I don't mean to encourage the idea, but there is a certain practicality to it that doesn't involve strictly personal gain.


That is assuming that Celene would be willing to unite Orlais and Ferelden under the Ferelden banner. If not, and Cailan just let Celene annex Ferelden, then it would be like what Maric did didn't matter. Not to mention Loghain would kill Cailan :P

I now realize what you are talking about and agree that it would help the Wardens, especially given how ingrained in Orlesian politics they are. However, I don't think the common Fereldens would be happy about being under Orlesian rule after fighting against them.

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phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .


Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


-hides internet history with HN/Loghain fics-

Darlin, don't even worry about it;) I personally like older men myself, but as Monica said, Wynne was just OOC. And dammit, she started hitting on him right after telling me to break up with him! :pinched:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image

But men age better than women *runs off and hides* Posted Image

I'm so happy that I still get carded, and on a regular enough basis to make me believe they aren't just being nice to me.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


But men age better than women *runs off and hides* Posted Image


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There are beautiful older women, too! Posted Image

Modifié par phaonica, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:53 .


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phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


But men age better than women *runs off and hides* Posted Image


There are beautiful older women, too! Posted Image

No lie. Do I need to post pictures of Helen Mirren in a bikini?

Modifié par Monica21, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:59 .


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Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...
Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


But men age better than women *runs off and hides* Posted Image


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There are beautiful older women, too! [img]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/img]

No lie. Do I need to post pictures of Helen Mirren in a bikini?


Jane Seymore as well. I'd give my right arm to be with that woman. :wub:

(uhh...the actress, not the dead wife of King Henry VIII, who I imagine is not that good looking after a few centuries of death)

Modifié par Kryyptehk, 06 septembre 2010 - 05:54 .


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Kryyptehk wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .


Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


-hides internet history with HN/Loghain fics-

Darlin, don't even worry about it;) I personally like older men myself, but as Monica said, Wynne was just OOC. And dammit, she started hitting on him right after telling me to break up with him! :pinched:


I really don't remember the Wynne conversation to judge if it was OOC or not, but I could definitely see how it would ****** me off if she started it up with Alistair after advising me to break up with him.

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There is also DA2 Flemeth, whom I believe Kryy has a crush on.

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Kryyptehk wrote...
Jane Seymore as well. I'd give my right arm to be with that woman. :wub:

(uhh...the actress, not the dead wife of King Henry VIII, who I imagine is not that good looking after a few centuries of death)

First, lol at your edit, and second, but then you'd only have one hand. :whistle:

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I went back and edited that crazy pic I posted because I have no idea what it links too. oops

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phaonica wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

 I don't like that Alistair had lines with Wynne where he freaks out as she turns cougar and not any with you .


Yeah, I like bringing Wynne and Loghain, but Wynne and Alistair is a little weird...

however...

My character is like 20-something , and Loghain is 50-something, so who am I to judge. Posted ImagePosted Image


-hides internet history with HN/Loghain fics-

Darlin, don't even worry about it;) I personally like older men myself, but as Monica said, Wynne was just OOC. And dammit, she started hitting on him right after telling me to break up with him! :pinched:


I really don't remember the Wynne conversation to judge if it was OOC or not, but I could definitely see how it would ****** me off if she started it up with Alistair after advising me to break up with him.


'Tis especially disturbing when she later goes on about how she imagines her son is like him :blink:

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Monica21 wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
Jane Seymore as well. I'd give my right arm to be with that woman. :wub:

(uhh...the actress, not the dead wife of King Henry VIII, who I imagine is not that good looking after a few centuries of death)

First, lol at your edit, and second, but then you'd only have one hand. :whistle:


Ha, one hand is enough, darling, one is enough. Though two is always better, 'tis true. Ummmm....moving on:lol:

@KoP, I have a crush on the thought of DA2 Flemeth. While I believe women age like fine wine, Flemeth...is a little worse for wear. However, Flemeth in a new body...

You know whose awesome? Loghain? I mean, he's manly enough to be able to braid his hair and not look girly. Not many men can pull that off:P

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@KoP, I have a crush on the thought of DA2 Flemeth. While I believe women age like fine wine, Flemeth...is a little worse for wear. However, Flemeth in a new body...

You know whose awesome? Loghain? I mean, he's manly enough to be able to braid his hair and not look girly. Not many men can pull that off:P


Yea, who would have thought that his hair wouldn't leasen his badassery lol

Which reminds me. Who do you people think does Loghain's hair? You think he does it himself? Or has some help?

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Kryyptehk wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I really don't remember the Wynne conversation to judge if it was OOC or not, but I could definitely see how it would ****** me off if she started it up with Alistair after advising me to break up with him.


'Tis especially disturbing when she later goes on about how she imagines her son is like him :blink:


Well... so long as she doesn't mention those two things in the same conversation... I might attribute that to writer fail, but I'm not convinced of OOCness yet. She's not exactly known for her good judgment, after all.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
@KoP, I have a crush on the thought of DA2 Flemeth. While I believe women age like fine wine, Flemeth...is a little worse for wear. However, Flemeth in a new body...

You know whose awesome? Loghain? I mean, he's manly enough to be able to braid his hair and not look girly. Not many men can pull that off:P


Yea, who would have thought that his hair wouldn't leasen his badassery lol

Which reminds me. Who do you people think does Loghain's hair? You think he does it himself? Or has some help?


I think he has Anora do his hair. I imagine she is a pro at braids.

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Yea, who would have thought that his hair wouldn't leasen his badassery lol

Which reminds me. Who do you people think does Loghain's hair? You think he does it himself? Or has some help?

I'm starting to think that Loghain is Ferelden's version of Chuck Norris. He tells his hair to braid itself, and it does.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Kryyptehk wrote...
@KoP, I have a crush on the thought of DA2 Flemeth. While I believe women age like fine wine, Flemeth...is a little worse for wear. However, Flemeth in a new body...

You know whose awesome? Loghain? I mean, he's manly enough to be able to braid his hair and not look girly. Not many men can pull that off:P


Yea, who would have thought that his hair wouldn't leasen his badassery lol

Which reminds me. Who do you people think does Loghain's hair? You think he does it himself? Or has some help?


I like to picture him tying those braids himself. 'Sensible Creatures' has a few awesome scenes that involve those braids. Posted Image