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[Costin_Razvan]

Very damned true there Knight.

You should watch those GT award videos, they are quite respectul of the Witcher when it gets nominated in six sections, though it only won best story.

That and I strongly feel all those games deserve GOTY ( and I barely played Batman and haven't touched Dark Souls or Uncharted but damn if I am not impressed ).

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I did watch them. I am glad TW2 is shown respect that I firmly believe it rightfully deserves for the things it does right.

For me, its story is unchallenged and the least cliched one (in a good way) I played. Deus Ex, while great, was very cliched. So is Alpha Protocol in many ways, with the exception of the potential brilliance of its protagonist. Even the TW1 was cliched in a lot of ways, though in a more twisted and dark sense.

I have to emphasize however that for me, cliched does not equal bad. Hence why I really like DA:O even if it's oozing with cliche. Just like not cliched does not equal good for me.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:50 .

[Zjarcal]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So after months of release it came down to the Witcher winning a number of awards ( best story, best RPG, best PC game, best graphics ) even from major sites while DA2 won ****ing squat.

Take that Bioware I say, they can either get their act together or ME3 will be the last RPG they sell well.

Lol, it's kind of pathetic how much you care about DA2 winning nothing.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am kind of happy that it received nothing, if only because it *might* make Bioware realize that it now has competition (especially in storytelling) and better step up its game, which from my perspective is a good thing.

I kind of doubt it will challenge its competitors in terms of how much interest it can get from me, but who knows.

[Costin_Razvan]

Lol, it's kind of pathetic how much you care about DA2 winning nothing.

I don't care about DA2, what I do care is for ME3 to not become like DA2, what I care is for other games Bioware makes to not become like DA2.

So far I've not seen good signs about ME3.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 05:57 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So after months of release it came down to the Witcher winning a number of awards ( best story, best RPG, best PC game, best graphics ) even from major sites while DA2 won ****ing squat.

Take that Bioware I say, they can either get their act together or ME3 will be the last RPG they sell well.

Tell me, Costin, why on earth should that matter to me?

(Bioware will draw its own conclusions, I am sure)

And ME is a lot but not much of an RPG, it never was. IMHO TW2 is even less of an RPG. (Set protagonist kills the R part....in my case, anyway)

I am aware that the game that has given me the most enjoyment out of all Bioware titles will remain a one way ticket, given that those who enjoyed it are in a (vocal) minority and that we'll likely get more DAO-ish yadda dadda mixed with Skyrim-esque landscapes....

It'll be the day when I'll go all "Meh, I don't caaaaaaaaaaaaaare but I'll trash it for months to show how Bioware's games have lost my interest...."

Wait...no, when games lose my interest, I act on it.

Seriously, it is that kind of behavior that killed my enthusiasm for the Witcher series. (Which was bloody HUGE....I loved that series when the original bugged as hell first game came out and when it wasn't cool to support it)

[KnightofPhoenix]

If you are alluding to me Perse, then I "trashed" the game when my interest, while declining, was still there.

I stopped posting in the DA2 threads for months when my interest has been almost completely wiped out thanks to the DLCs and then the ME3 leaked script. I rarely mention DA2 and certainly stopped comparing it to the games I like (in large part because I find it insulting to the latter).

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If you are alluding to me Perse, then I "trashed" the game when my interest, while declining, was still there.

I stopped posting in the DA2 threads for months when my interest has been almost completely wiped out thanks to the DLCs and then the ME3 leaked script. I rarely mention DA2 and certainly stopped comparing it to the games I like (in large part because I find it insulting to the latter).

I hate to say it, love, but not everything I say is about you. (Most of it is....)

As for the leaked script, I'll wait and see....finished products speak louder than leaks. If I like it, I'll like it. If not...etc. And whether I enjoy ME3 has no influence on me liking or disliking the DA series.

Anyway, I'll go back to studying an ACTUAL disaster.... the Titanic. Kinda dwarfs the whole DAII /Bioware melodrama and then some.

[Costin_Razvan]

Perse: Just like you don't care, neither do I care about you pretending DA2 was more then a pile of ******.

Unlike others I still expect ME3 to be a good game...though we'll see if it's just going to be the kind where you ignore the massive plot issues due to the epic action filled cinematics or not.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:27 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Perse: Just like you don't care, neither do I care about you pretending DA2 was more then a pile of ******.

Does it GET more condescending?

You are by NO means obliged to be civil, understanding or polite, I am aware of that. But that's a new low.

Like the "TW2 is nothing but a pile of misogyny and boobies for dorks and wannabe machos." idea I have encountered on several feminist blogs. (It happened....made me facepalm...A LOT.) Yeah, that's right. It's both untrue and insulting.

Modifié par Persephone, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:37 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Deal with it, or not, I really don't give ****. I am blunt and I am ****ing tired of dancing on my toes around you on the issue of DA2. It's a bad game and it remains a bad game from every single objective view, and I don't ****ing care that you like it or not. Others do but at least they don't pretend its a better game then others ( and no I don't talk about TW2 here ) from an OBJECTIVE view.

I like Alpha Protocol for instance, I like it a lot. I think it was one of the best damned stories I've ever seen in a video game and I would rank it in my top 10 games that I ever played, that does not mean that it's not a crappy game on a lot of levels, because it sure as hell is.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:51 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
It's a bad game and it remains a bad game from every single objective view, and I don't ****ing care that you like it or not. Others do but at least they don't pretend its a better game then others ( and no I don't talk about TW2 here ) from an OBJECTIVE view.

Objective view........*Snorts* In ENTERTAINMENT? 

How about not pretending that your opinion is more valid than anyone else's? 

I don't care that you dislike the game, believe me.

What makes a good game? The answers to that are limitless.

To use the Titanic, a factual disaster as an example:

Objective fact: It struck an iceberg and sank in less than three hours.

Theories: Discussed, disputed and argued about in hundreds of books, documentaries and movies. Even the survivors ARGUED about what happened. (I.E. Did she break in half or go down whole? Took finding the wreck decades later to settle that one)

My point being: If factual events are argued about and disputed, fictional entertainment allows for little objectivity. In games....only bugs, glitches etc. count as such.

[Costin_Razvan]

There are movies that are indisputably good and those that are bad ( or perhaps I should say Avatar is amazing compared to Cassablanca just because some idiots liked Avatar and never heard of Cassablanca? ), same goes for books and for music, it doesn't matter that one or two fangirls like you feels different. Suck it up to Bioware all you want it won't change cold hard facts, NOR have you provided good arguments in favor of DA2 while I and others have.

Hawke is a tool. the combat system sucks, there are plot holes the sizes of mars in the game. The story makes no sense, they made almost everyone crazy in it. Cartoonish graphics that are poorly done. no understanding of family or politics, no understanding of human nature presented in it.

Hell, even bloody ****ing Battlefield 3 had a better plot then DA2, at least people weren't insane in it!

As for bugs and glitches, perhaps you would like to explain the ****** poor import system, the DX 11 crappy perfomance, the ****** poor balanced combat system. What you forget is that I never wanted to hate DA2, I defended it on these very forums when some of the changes they were making came out, I played it the first time around and did not came out on the forum to say it sucked, nor did I play it just once or for a few hours, that I came to conclusion that it is **** should tell you how badly I feel about the game months later.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:11 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

There are movies that are indisputably good and those that are bad, same goes for books and for music, it doesn't matter that one or two fangirls like you feels different. Suck it up to Bioware all you want it won't change cold hard facts, NOR have you provided good arguments in favor of DA2.

Nor have you provided good arguments against it. Cold hard facts according to which dogma?

Fangirls....yay, misogyny.... How innovative. I am a fangirl, sure. And you are a fanboy. Soooooo what? Was that supposed to be an insult?

I don't need to "suck up" to Bioware, dear, because if I dislike what they produce, I'll say so. (Witch Hunt, Tallis, Darkspawn Chronicles, Golems of Amgarrak.... certain elements in DAO, BG1 and DAII) I do not work in B&W, hatred and love aren't absolute in my case. I love DAO, DAII, TW1&2, bits of Skyrim.....yet I am aware that none of these games are flawless.

[Costin_Razvan]

I have that you choose to ignore them is your own problem, don't care at any came seeing as the only thing you can do when it comes to DA2 is be a drama queen against anyone who dares criticize the "beauty of the game"

Funny thing about TW2, as I've argued countless times on TW boards about it's flaws ( Geralt with no choice on Iorveth's path, the limited world, and other stuff ) yet I can at bloody least play it without feeling the urge to puke whenever a character opens their goddamn mouth as in DA2, As I can play Deus EX and Skyrim just as well.

The Witcher wins not because of it's plot, but because for once in a very damned long time in a industry that seems to only care about the crowd playing on normal I was given an extremly challenging and satisfying game on Insane.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:21 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Hawke is a tool. the combat system sucks, there are plot holes the sizes of mars in the game. The story makes no sense, they made almost everyone crazy in it. Cartoonish graphics that are poorly done. no understanding of family or politics, no understanding of human nature presented in it.

Hell, even bloody ****ing Battlefield 3 had a better plot then DA2, at least people weren't insane in it!

As for bugs and glitches, perhaps you would like to explain the ****** poor import system, the DX 11 crappy perfomance, the ****** poor balanced combat system. What you forget is that I never wanted to hate DA2, I defended it on these very forums when some of the changes they were making came out, I played it the first time around and did not came out on the forum to say it sucked, nor did I play it just once or for a few hours, that I came to conclusion that it is **** should tell you how badly I feel about the game months later.

Opinions. No more, no less.

The Import System sure was better than that of TW2. (Not hard to achieve)

I love the combat system except for rogue combat.

So your opinion of the game changed overtime. Big deal. It's still just an individual opinion, no more, no less.

The DX11 works just fine on my rig.

Costin, I don't care how badly you feel about this game. What annoys me is the constant rain of insults, sneers and condescension those who do not fall in line with your "cold hard facts". I do not like everything about DAII, believe me. Or DAO. Or TW2. But none of these games were flawless or completely rotten. If DAII is the worst game you have ever played, you are God damn lucky. Because if that is so, you have never played a truly wrecked game.

[Costin_Razvan]

And I don't care what annoys you Persephone, lol. Then again I don't care about what I say that annoys most people.

As for DA2 being the worst game I played, I never said that. Hell hatred is a good feeling, because it means you give a ****, in my case it was me giving a **** about losing the tale of my Dwarf inside that pile of ******.

The worst thing you can have with a game is boredom, that is the mark of a truly terrible game. Thing is whenever I try replaying DA2 it's not my dislike that stops me, it's the sheer boredom of playing that stops me, yes boredom of having to deal with assassins with stealth that you can't stop from backstabing you. Or mages who one shot your entire party with a blood spell.

As for you loving the combat system, you don't play on Nightmare so what you say doesn't matter squat to me in that regard, as does the opinion of everyone else who plays on easy/normal/hard.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:30 .

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I have that you choose to ignore them is your own problem, don't care at any came seeing as the only thing you can do when it comes to DA2 is be a drama queen against anyone who dares criticize the "beauty of the game"

The Witcher wins not because of it's plot, but because for once in a very damned long time in a industry that seems to only care about the crowd playing on normal I was given an extremly challenging and satisfying game on Insane.

"Beauty of the game" what? Quote me accurately, will you?

I've criticized DAII myself, same as you have criticized TW2. Both games are dear to me but I have never denied DAII's rushed feel and other shortcomings nor TW2's forced character arc, "romance", misogyny and cliché stoic hero. (Geralt is the most cliché set character I have ever encountered in an RPG.....)

Well, I never play on Insane because I suck at combat but I see your point there.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

And I don't care what annoys you Persephone, lol.

As for DA2 being the worst game I played, I never said that. Hell hatred is a good feeling, because it means you give a ****, in my case it was me giving a **** about losing the tale of my Dwarf inside that pile of ******.

The worst thing you can have with a game is boredom, that is the mark of a truly terrible game. Thing is whenever I try replaying DA2 it's not my dislike that stops me, it's the sheer boredom of playing that stops me.

As for you loving the combat system, you don't play on Nightmare so what you say doesn't matter squat to me in that regard.

And you call me a drama queen?:happy:

Oh, I agree about boredom. That's why I hate Oblivion to pieces.

Well, Nightmare or not, I know I don't want DAO's combat system back.

[Costin_Razvan]

The only thing Origins had working for it was Loghain, he is the only memorable character for me almost two years since I played the game. Don't care much about Bhelen, Morrigan, Alistair, Wynne etc.

Everything else in terms of main stories sucked in DA:O, It's final battle was a broken mess and Awakening was cakewalk on a combat level, though I felt it had a very solid story and companions.

Yet Origins, for all it's flaws, for all it's bull**** and ****** poor combat system at least didn't bore me until the fifth playthrough.

As for TES games...I feel that people really really like em way too much, though I suspect a lot of people play one-two hours when they came from work or something and not a solid 4-6 hours. Skyrim didn't annoy me but it sure did bore me after about 50 hours. Still 50 hours is something I suppose.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:37 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

And I thought DA2 got on my nerves. But wow at what happened here.

Persephone wrote...
cliché stoic hero. (Geralt is the most cliché set character I have ever encountered in an RPG.....)

Let's assume for the sake of argument that this is true. I'd rather play as him over say Shepard, the brutish overglorified tool regardless of how you rp him/ her. I don't even need to mention Hawke.

Of course I'd rather have Thorton over all of them.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Let's just say I strongly despise everything DA2 stands for with it's political correct, non-swearing unrealistic characters.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 03 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

And I thought DA2 got on my nerves. But wow at what happened here.

Well, you CAN avoid DAII. I'd have to avoid the BSN altogether to keep my nerves from being trod upon. (Which I have done as of late anyway. Can't even visit my fave character's thread anymore without being condescended to. )

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Let's just say I strongly despise everything DA2 stands for with it's political correct, non-swearing unrealistic characters.

For a Bioware game, there sure is a lot of swearing in it.

And swearing & misogyny don not mean reali.... wait, they do. Sadly.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Let's just say I strongly despise everything DA2 stands for with it's political correct, non-swearing unrealistic characters.

A tiny bit excessive, no?

Sorry Perse