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[KnightofPhoenix]

Iorveth is more grounded and reasonable than Yaevinn. And I am pretty sure you will find Saskia to your liking, Addai.

I like her and Iorveth too, though I prefer Roche's path.

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I watched that stupid cutscene before the kayran battle so many times I ended up going to get a book to read while it played. I really wish they'd put the autosave after the intro cutscene. *grrr*

Uhm...there is a skip function for you know. Ain't surprised you picked Iorveth though.

alschemid: Origin only.

What's the skip function?  I tried every button I could think to try.

@ Knight:  I just met Saskia, but I'm going to be looking for a way to mod her outfit.  Cannot take a woman soldier in that get-up seriously.

[Costin_Razvan]

Mouse button for skip. left mouse button if I recall.

Oh btw here's the person who runed Anders in DA2. dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Jennifer_Hepler

There's a lot of hate directed at her on twitter atm

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Addai]

Hm. Maybe that was the one button I didn't try. lol

The hate for Jennifer Hepler is completely uncalled for and juvenile. Criticism is one thing, bottom feeding harassment another. Apparently they even called her home.

[Costin_Razvan]

When you create something that people enjoy and pour hundreds if not thousands of hours of their lives into and then you ****** on EVERYTHING they loved about that thing then I hardly call it juvenile and uncalled for people to get very ****ing pissed about it.

This scene is the only good thing about DA 2 www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Addai]

<_<  That's ridiculous.  It's just a game.  I get the impression from Gaider's interviews that their hands were tied on a lot.  He as much as said he had an entirely different picture of game 2 and was then told to make the framed narrative in one location, and then was given no time to do it.  Hepler's characters were not my favorites but these are creative differences and in the end they're just doing their jobs.  Maybe you didn't read the actual tweets, I read some of them and they're not the sort of thing you want to defend.  That sort of crap just puts legitimate criticism of the game on the same level as the junior high schoolground.  Don't stoop to that.

P.S. So I'm in Vergen now, just passed the part where you infiltrate the Nilfgaardian camp.  I was wondering, KoP, why you say you're nervous about the Wild Hunt stuff?  If you can tell me without spoilers.  The Witcher has always had a mythical/ supernatural element.  I think they're building it quite well.

Modifié par Addai67, 20 février 2012 - 10:08 .

[Costin_Razvan]

 

That sort of crap just puts legitimate criticism of the game on the same level as the junior high schoolground.  Don't stoop to that.

Mary Kirby should become lead writter of DA, the person who knows how to their damned job there ( She wrote Loghain, Sten and the Qunari after all ).

As for Hepler? She took one of the most reasonable, level headed mages in DA:A and made him a ****ing insane terrorist who can't listen to reason.

As for it just being a game. Football, Tennis, Rugby are JUST games and by your mentality perhaps people should stop giving a damn when their favorite team losses because of some idiot. Call it childish but those well constructed posts on DA2 that I've seen, you think those mean jack **** to Bioware? They don't. Hundreds if not thousands of fans getting pissed as hell about it does.

I don't like the mob, I won't go on twitter to flame Gaider and Hepler.

 
P.S. So I'm in Vergen now, just passed the part where you infiltrate the Nilfgaardian camp.  I was wondering, KoP, why you say you're nervous about the Wild Hunt stuff?  If you can tell me without spoilers.  The Witcher has always had a mythical/ supernatural element.  I think they're building it quite well. 

He is afraid of it becoming another big bad evil.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 29 février 2012 - 07:14 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'm not too pleased with Hepler's work on Anders, especially given her opinions on female gamers and what they want. She'd be better suited to writing angsty emo romance novels, and leave writing game characters to people who understand the market and the genre. Dunno about Gaider. And I don't tweet, so I don't know about fan hate, either. But DA2 really needs a shakeup on their team. Especially if Laidlaw's still running the show there.

[Costin_Razvan]

Besides Kirkwall being a small piece of **** city I wouldn't blame him for much else, especially not the writing. Laidlaw just probably had a hand in the idea of making the Templar vs Mage conflict but not the execution of it.

[Joy Divison]

I think Laidlaw as "lead designer" had more to do with DA2's mediocrity than just that.

I agree that Kirby is an excellent writer. Every character, even the DA2 ones (Varric and Merrill), I enjoyed. Every character that Hepler wrote I did not...

[Persephone]

Supporting misogyny, harassment, threats etc. because a sequel soured your opinion on a bloody game franchise?

Seriously, I mean.... I get passionate about DAII myself (The other direction....).... but this melodrama (This coming from ME, no less!) mixed with a complete lack of any sort of justification (I read the tweets. They were disgusting) is becoming both laughable and utterly demeaning to the entire fandom. Do we really wish to be represented this way? And no, the mob will not make Bioware care. It'll just kill the franchise entirely.

As for Anders.....well, missed the utterly not subtle foreshadowing in Awakening?

Modifié par Persephone, 20 février 2012 - 04:08 .

[Persephone]

Joy Divison wrote...

I think Laidlaw as "lead designer" had more to do with DA2's mediocrity than just that.

I agree that Kirby is an excellent writer. Every character, even the DA2 ones (Varric and Merrill), I enjoyed. Every character that Hepler wrote I did not...

Even in DAO? She wrote the entire Orzammar quest line....

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am in the minority here in that I did not mind what they did with Anders. In fact I liked it. The only thing I did not like is what they did to Justice and the lack of interaction with him. I did not know Hepler was being harassed, I am sorry for her and hope that this will end soon.

@ Addai
As Costin said, I don't want it to become another big bad evil.
The Witcher's supernatural elements were always in the background and did not take focus away from its human issues, which is at the heart of the franchise imo.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 février 2012 - 04:43 .

[Merilsell]

o.O

Look, I ,too, think that Hepler's ...err...talents would be better seized for angsty, teen romance books like Twilight, but I surely don't support a witch hunt of her person. (No pun intended xD) That is just low.

[Joy Divison]

Persephone wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

I think Laidlaw as "lead designer" had more to do with DA2's mediocrity than just that.

I agree that Kirby is an excellent writer. Every character, even the DA2 ones (Varric and Merrill), I enjoyed. Every character that Hepler wrote I did not...

Even in DAO? She wrote the entire Orzammar quest line....

The Orzammar quest line is not officially listed to her credit AFAIK.  But even so, yes.  The Behlen-Harrowmont choice was brilliant bc/ the "good" guy is an incompetant who ruins Orzammar long term. 

And I liked the Deep Roads.  A lot.  To all those who complained about it being too long, well, DA2 gave you your wish for short cookie-cutter done in 15 minute recycled dungeons.

[Persephone]

Joy Divison wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

I think Laidlaw as "lead designer" had more to do with DA2's mediocrity than just that.

I agree that Kirby is an excellent writer. Every character, even the DA2 ones (Varric and Merrill), I enjoyed. Every character that Hepler wrote I did not...

Even in DAO? She wrote the entire Orzammar quest line....

The Orzammar quest line is not officially listed to her credit AFAIK.  But even so, yes.  The Behlen-Harrowmont choice was brilliant bc/ the "good" guy is an incompetant who ruins Orzammar long term. 

And I liked the Deep Roads.  A lot.  To all those who complained about it being too long, well, DA2 gave you your wish for short cookie-cutter done in 15 minute recycled dungeons.

Except that in DAO the DR were as re-used as in DAII. And I haven't finished them in 15 minutes once.

She also wrote the DC Origin and I loved that one. Then again, criticizing her writing is perfectly acceptable. (As long as it's done in a professional, competent manner. Calling her at her home to make threats and diss her...that's actually a felony....never mind disgusting.

I'd rather have liked to see DAO's DR cut in half and the ditched plotline with Empress Celene be used instead.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I am in the minority here in that I did not mind what they did with Anders. In fact I liked it. The only thing I did not like is what they did to Justice and the lack of interaction with him. I did not know Hepler was being harassed, I am sorry for her and hope that this will end soon.

@ Addai
As Costin said, I don't want it to become another big bad evil.
The Witcher's supernatural elements were always in the background and did not take focus away from its human issues, which is at the heart of the franchise imo.

Well, according to Anders (Far as he knows, anyway), Justice ceased to exist as a seperate entity after they merged. I would have liked more...er..."Justice Mode" though... Lots of potential lost there.

Agreed re: TW and human issues (As well as other racial issues. Loved that conflict in TW1). I hope they'll handle the Wild Hunt well. But CDPR hasn't let me down yet.

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'm not too pleased with Hepler's work on Anders, especially given her opinions on female gamers and what they want. She'd be better suited to writing angsty emo romance novels, and leave writing game characters to people who understand the market and the genre. Dunno about Gaider. And I don't tweet, so I don't know about fan hate, either. But DA2 really needs a shakeup on their team. Especially if Laidlaw's still running the show there.

Well, I agree on all counts, but that's enough about that.  Unfortunately the petitions, etc. in response to it all will just encourage the redditor- "Biodrone" war and it's nothing I want any part of.

@ KoP:  But what makes you think it will be more of a "big bad" than the spectral mist in TW2?  Personally I'm intrigued to see how they handle it, especially with things like the mystery of why the Wild Hunt doesn't appear in any of the songs.

[Joy Divison]

Persephone wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Joy Divison wrote...

I think Laidlaw as "lead designer" had more to do with DA2's mediocrity than just that.

I agree that Kirby is an excellent writer. Every character, even the DA2 ones (Varric and Merrill), I enjoyed. Every character that Hepler wrote I did not...

Even in DAO? She wrote the entire Orzammar quest line....

The Orzammar quest line is not officially listed to her credit AFAIK.  But even so, yes.  The Behlen-Harrowmont choice was brilliant bc/ the "good" guy is an incompetant who ruins Orzammar long term. 

And I liked the Deep Roads.  A lot.  To all those who complained about it being too long, well, DA2 gave you your wish for short cookie-cutter done in 15 minute recycled dungeons.

Except that in DAO the DR were as re-used as in DAII. And I haven't finished them in 15 minutes once.

She also wrote the DC Origin and I loved that one. Then again, criticizing her writing is perfectly acceptable. (As long as it's done in a professional, competent manner. Calling her at her home to make threats and diss her...that's actually a felony....never mind disgusting.

I'd rather have liked to see DAO's DR cut in half and the ditched plotline with Empress Celene be used instead.

The DR of Origins, where we seen numerous expositions of Lore, had a variety of combat scenarios where the enemies used different tactics, and had enough little detail put into it that made it genuinely interesting environment (the ruined bridges, the column of Darkspawn with torches, Spiders fighting darkspawn, etc) was *not* re-used or the same as that bland and banal thing in DA2 used THRICE.

You did not finish the Rock-Wraith venture in 15 minutes, but the other two times when you rescued the Dwarf and Howe, you did.

And I don't think your idea of cutting DR in half and including the plotline with Empress Celene would be a good idea because then neither of them would have been as fully developed as they should and we would have gotten two half-assed plotlines with neither of them being fully fleshed out.  It's the same mistake Lucas made with his Star Wars franchise when he tried to have dozens of story arcs compressed into a two hour movie.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Persephone wrote...


As for Anders.....well, missed the utterly not subtle foreshadowing in Awakening?

Ehhh, what? I'm not talking about Anders merging with Justice, that was pretty awesome. I'm talking about the character/personality of Anders. And of course, the lack of focus on the details of the merger.

These were not foreshadowed, unsubtly or otherwise. Anders extremism, nor his personality, were written in anyway that would have made him recognizable from Awakenings. So, no. I found the writing crap, especially in the areas of personality/romance. I still liked him better than the other characters, only one I liked as much was Varric.

Kirby wrote the Orzammar quest? Then I'd really like to see her take over more of the writing. Loghain, Orzammar, Sten.... yes, more please. Orzammar was my favorite subquest, the Fade close second.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

Well, according to Anders (Far as he knows, anyway), Justice ceased to exist as a seperate entity after they merged. I would have liked more...er..."Justice Mode" though... Lots of potential lost there.

Regardless of whether vengeance has become a second part of a schizophrenic personality or if it's a seperate entity, we did not get to interact with it. Justice was very interesting in Awakening and I did not like how he was sidelined.

Also, I think Hepler wrote NPCs in Orzammar and not the king quest line, but I am not sure.

Addai67 wrote...
@ KoP:  But what makes you think it will
be more of a "big bad" than the spectral mist in TW2?  Personally I'm
intrigued to see how they handle it, especially with things like the
mystery of why the Wild Hunt doesn't appear in any of the songs.

The spectral mist was minor and certainly not the point or focus of Act 2. It was created by Sabrina for a purpose and through it, we got to see how Aedirnian soldiers felt, how Vandergrift was, the secret Lodge meeting and Henselt's reaction. Aka, a supernatural element, created by a human, was used to explore humans. It was not a big bad evil that took center stage in the plot. Rather a plot device, used well.

I doubt the Wild Hunt, if it's going to show up, is not going to take center stage.

Regardless, the Wild Hunt is not that supernatural anyways, but I can't comment further because it would be spoilers. My fear is that it would be a "big bad evil", with no complexity or point other than to be an enemy.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 février 2012 - 10:05 .

[CostinRaz]

Persephone wrote...

Supporting misogyny, harassment, threats etc. because a sequel soured your opinion on a bloody game franchise?

Seriously, I mean.... I get passionate about DAII myself (The other direction....).... but this melodrama (This coming from ME, no less!) mixed with a complete lack of any sort of justification (I read the tweets. They were disgusting) is becoming both laughable and utterly demeaning to the entire fandom. Do we really wish to be represented this way? And no, the mob will not make Bioware care. It'll just kill the franchise entirely.

As for Anders.....well, missed the utterly not subtle foreshadowing in Awakening?

I don't take kindly to a developer pissing me off the way those two did. That's all I have to say about those two.

As for Anders...uhm....when was he completely unreasonable in Awakening? The whole merging with Justice I can buy Justice was not insane either!

Hepler also did not write the King storyline in Orzammar, she wrote the Anvil of the Void quest. Yeah Branka, Hepsith and all that. I don't get all the Deep Roads hate myself personally but I disliked having Branka insane. Hepler also did not write the DN quest line but only the DC ( which frankly wasn't the best either ).

As for the mob not doing anything...uhm the mob forced them to try and fix deception. It wasn't a reasonable argument that won the day, it was a 400 page ( in 1-2 days if I recall correctly ) by the mob who were saying all kinds of crap about the author, which I considered incorrect, that did that.

 
Regardless, the Wild Hunt is not that supernatural anyways, but I can't comment further because it would be spoilers. My fear is that it would be a "big bad evil", with no complexity or point other than to be an enemy.  

And I've said it time and time again that the WIld Hunt isn't like that. I think you could compare their leader to Emhyr really.

 
Kirby wrote the Orzammar quest? Then I'd really like to see her take over more of the writing. Loghain, Orzammar, Sten.... yes, more please. Orzammar was my favorite subquest, the Fade close second. 

I believe she did write the 'A Paragon of Her King' quest. Basically the king quest line, not the Avil. Yes the Anvil was Hepler. The one thing I'll give Hepler credit for is Bethany. That's it.

Modifié par CostinRaz, 20 février 2012 - 11:09 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

CostinRaz wrote...

 
Regardless, the Wild Hunt is not that supernatural anyways, but I can't comment further because it would be spoilers. My fear is that it would be a "big bad evil", with no complexity or point other than to be an enemy.  

And I've said it time and time again that the WIld Hunt isn't like that. I think you could compare their leader to Emhyr really.

And when I see in one of the dev vids that Nilfgaard is being called "the empire of evil", compared to the 3rd Reich and somehow being totalitarian (how could a high-medieval society be totalitarian? Anachronism right there) then I have reason to worry. 

It all depends on how CDPR puts them in the game.

I of course have enough trust in CDPR to look forward to TW3 and probably pre-order it. But I am not 100% optimistic.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 février 2012 - 11:11 .

[CostinRaz]

Yes, but that vid was done to show how they wanted to portray Nilfgaard in TW3...did they really come off as that? Not really, at least not to me.

[KnightofPhoenix]

We didn't see much of Nilfgaard to discern how they are going to portray them in TW3.

Shilard though was great (except one cutscene where he is shown as a freak) and I hope they follow and expand on this.