Ah **** them really, let CDPR grow in power and let us end this travesty.
Edit: Now that I think about it, the Witcher might have inspired them to use a kid....seriously though, FFS Bioware.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 03:23
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Bioware is marketing to retarded children it seems. I liked the nightmares personally, what I didn't like is for the game to assume everyone would give a damn about the kid.
Ah **** them really, let CDPR grow in power and let us end this travesty.
Edit: Now that I think about it, the Witcher might have inspired them to use a kid....seriously though, FFS Bioware.
Ah **** them really, let CDPR grow in power and let us end this travesty.
Edit: Now that I think about it, the Witcher might have inspired them to use a kid....seriously though, FFS Bioware.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 03:28
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Edit: Now that I think about it, the Witcher might have inspired them to use a kid....seriously though, FFS Bioware.
Lol if that's the case, they completely missed the mark.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 03:29
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Deus Ex in ending choices, Alvin from the Witcher...yeah Bioware very funny. Can you be more obvious?
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:01
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You've seen Angry Joe's review, right? He has a great opener that shows his emotions playing the game.
Definitely also watch his video on the endings. I think he's one of the best reviewers, very fair and sort of an every player rather than the commercialized sites. He buys his own games, for one thing.
Definitely also watch his video on the endings. I think he's one of the best reviewers, very fair and sort of an every player rather than the commercialized sites. He buys his own games, for one thing.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:39
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I've pretty much resigned myself to BW being nothing more than a brand name at this point. I missed out on the DA2 s***storm and gave ME3 far more of a chance than it was due - the writing on the wall pointed to the game being a turkey just like its older cousin, DA2, and a lot of people knew it.
Too bad I didn't finally catch on until I was a day late and $70 short - but it's a lesson learned.
I am curious to know how much cheap (in quality, not price) merchandise and promo garbage EA plans to saturate players with when DA3 nears release. DA2 set a new precedent for gimmickry, as did DA:O before it - so they've got their work cut out if they want to outdo themselves a third time.
/cynic
Too bad I didn't finally catch on until I was a day late and $70 short - but it's a lesson learned.
I am curious to know how much cheap (in quality, not price) merchandise and promo garbage EA plans to saturate players with when DA3 nears release. DA2 set a new precedent for gimmickry, as did DA:O before it - so they've got their work cut out if they want to outdo themselves a third time.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:45
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You've seen Angry Joe's review, right? He has a great opener that shows his emotions playing the game.
This is why a good friend of mine still considers KOTOR the best game ever. We were younger then and more idealistic. Never saw the plot twist coming, and it shines in his mind. Just like this reviewer, but in reverse, I'll bet my buddy can't even recount the plot to KOTOR. But because he loved the Revan angle, the game is the GOAT for him.
I'm similar. If a game is really fun with a lousy ending . . . then I hate it.
Everyone here has already heard thisfrom me before but that is what killed The Witcher 1 for me. I'll never play it again because I could not stand how they introduced a never-seen-before-arch villian-behind-the arch-villian and then proceeded to make me fight my way up some stupid mountain just to confront him. I vaguely remember my conversation with Time-Warp-Alvin because it was nonsensical to me.
Anyway - point is - yeah - this string of games with crappy plots and worse endings really is killing my gaming. Right now StarCraft 2 Expansions are the only thing I plan to buy. And even then . . . I'm scared.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:57
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The problem here I think is that the editors and publishers are enforcing simpleton rules on the writers so they can make McRPGs that play like casual action games. Can't strain the readers/ players of these games with too much nuance, it would get in the way of the bewbz. Gaider will occasionally joke that his editors or someone in the office tells him he can't use big words. Sadly that's no joke and the results are plain to see- more reliance on cheap gags, marketing the games on being socially progressive rather than on being quality storytelling, and melodrama instead of subtle, complex tales.
The real sad part is that the Witcher franchise and Fallout New Vegas show that none of this is necessary in order to sell lots of games. Maybe not mega-bucks, but what Bioware is doing to its reputation can't be helping sales, either.
The real sad part is it's a McWorld at this point. I'm not really even sure there are good guys and bad guys anymore. I think at one time there were "bad guys" cutting stafff, pressuring staff, overmarketing, and under-delivering on quality but at the same or price as the "good guys". And people bought it because of the strong marketing and maybe because the "bad guys" promised "quality at a lower price.
So at some point the "good guys" had to start cutting corners just to compete. The "good guys" didn't want to put the screws to their staff and their customers, but the choice was screws or put everyone out of a job.
Once this occured, prices started climbing again. Everyone was selling the same garbage so shopping around became pointless unless a consumer wanted to spend double. Folks just accepted it.
Now . . . the system runs itself.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 06:59
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Oh, and as for there not being anymore Loghains in DA- the fact that the real Loghain is reduced to a footnote should tell you something. In DA2 he was just the "traitor," in the Silent Grove comic he's not even named, just called "a usurper." So there you have it.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:04
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I've pretty much resigned myself to BW being nothing more than a brand name at this point. I missed out on the DA2 s***storm . . .
Nods. I couldn't play ME2, but after DA2's "newness wore off (I admit I loved it initially but quickly changed my mind) I realized I was done.
I am going to purchase the Ultimate Edition of DAO just so I have hardcopy of the DLCs in the event BioWare stops supporting the DLCs I purchased. But nothing else. No DA3 for me. DAO is all that exists in my mind.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 12:52
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Addai67 wrote...
You've seen Angry Joe's review, right? He has a great opener that shows his emotions playing the game.
Definitely also watch his video on the endings. I think he's one of the best reviewers, very fair and sort of an every player rather than the commercialized sites. He buys his own games, for one thing.
He's narrow minded sometimes. The whole all relays are destroyed in all endings, well how about you explain Control then.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 04:33
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That's not a bad idea, especially as it's on Steam. If it goes super cheap I'll probably get it there. I don't plan to re-play DAO anytime soon, too much work to reconstruct all my mods that I got accustomed to, but it would be good to have a playable copy for posterity.Hanz54321 wrote...
I am going to purchase the Ultimate Edition of DAO just so I have hardcopy of the DLCs in the event BioWare stops supporting the DLCs I purchased. But nothing else. No DA3 for me. DAO is all that exists in my mind.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:25
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I wonder what they'll reduce the Architect to, given that Loghain's being trashed.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:30
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I wonder what they'll reduce the Architect to, given that Loghain's being trashed.
He's already getting trashed. You had Nathaniel, the guy most receptive to sparing him and forging an alliance in Awakening, suddenly acting as if the Architect is an enemy.
Of all the bioware games I played, Loghain and the Architect were the best antagonists (if we can classify them as that) and the closest to get to The Witcher's level. The sad thing is that I don't think Bioware either realizes or appreciates this.
Of course the Architect in The Calling is crap really and awfully similar to the Synthesis endig in ME3. So I am not sure if the Architect of Awakening was deliberately done well or just an accident.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:37
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I wonder what they'll reduce the Architect to, given that Loghain's being trashed.
He's already getting trashed. You had Nathaniel, the guy most receptive to sparing him and forging an alliance in Awakening, suddenly acting as if the Architect is an enemy.
Of all the bioware games I played, Loghain and the Architect were the best antagonists (if we can classify them as that) and the closest to get to The Witcher's level. The sad thing is that I don't think Bioware either realizes or appreciates this.
Of course the Architect in The Calling is crap really and awfully similar to the Synthesis endig in ME3. So I am not sure if the Architect of Awakening was deliberately done well or just an accident.
Wait... he did imply it. Calling him "Very dangerous" seems like he's implying it was a bad move.
*Sigh* it just makes me hope that I can excel at my game design course and create my own video game company, so I can bring the world I've been carefully planning out piece-by-piece to fruition.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 05:38
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He says he's very dangerous and that's it. Not his opinion in Awakening.
EDIT: ninjaed, yep
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but honestly, why would I think Bioware will do his incarnation in Awakening justice?
EDIT: ninjaed, yep
Maybe I am reading too much into it, but honestly, why would I think Bioware will do his incarnation in Awakening justice?
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 07:57
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I didn't take the "Very Dangerous" thing as Nate insulting the Architect, just stating true facts. The Architect is very dangerous by nature, as he introduces a new unknown threat into the Darkspawn which the Grey Wardens are actively hunting down (least in the Awakening Epilogue).
Considering Nate Howe mentions he's in the Deep Roads with the intel from The Architect or his people, it very well could mean there's an alliance forged between both and they -might- do credit to The Architect despite how dangerous he is.
Though I'm probably being far too optimistic.
Considering Nate Howe mentions he's in the Deep Roads with the intel from The Architect or his people, it very well could mean there's an alliance forged between both and they -might- do credit to The Architect despite how dangerous he is.
Though I'm probably being far too optimistic.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 08:25
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Nate says he is there based on information from the Architect actually ( if you have him alive ). He actually refers to him as an ally.
It's actually Anders who refers to the choice to side with him in a negative manner.
It's actually Anders who refers to the choice to side with him in a negative manner.
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Posté 23 mars 2012 - 11:02
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I don't remember what Nathaniel said - but he was definitely pro-Architect as you lose influence with him if you kill The Architect.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 01:02
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I don't remember the words either but I definitely got the impression that DA2 Nate was scolding the Warden for having spared the Architect. It annoyed a lot of people especially because it was bugged that he would always say that even if you didn't.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 01:36
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That's his cameo. He mentions the Architect is very dangerous and that it's fortunate that his disciples are few in numbers. That's perfectly fine I think.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 02:50
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Addai67 wrote...
You've seen Angry Joe's review, right? He has a great opener that shows his emotions playing the game.
Definitely also watch his video on the endings. I think he's one of the best reviewers, very fair and sort of an every player rather than the commercialized sites. He buys his own games, for one thing.
He's actually very fair. His personality can be kind of annoying bc/ I don't believe he is as funny as he thinks he is, but I do find his reviews inisightful and trustworthy.
When ME3 gets into the bargain bin, I have this fantasy that I will play it without knowing what the end is. Without spoilers can someone tell me what the issue is over (as opposed to what transpires) and whether or not the storm of controversy is warranted?
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 02:52
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Why don't the dozen or so biggest contributors in this thread make a videogame 
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 03:29
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When ME3 gets into the bargain bin, I have this fantasy that I will play it without knowing what the end is. Without spoilers can someone tell me what the issue is over (as opposed to what transpires) and whether or not the storm of controversy is warranted?
Plotholes, stupidity with Regards to TIM and the Reapers.
One thing most are complaining about is that the endings are all virtually the same, that's not true at all.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 03:42
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Grr...I hate stupidity. I get my full of it in my job as a historian. OK, thanks for the heads up. When I finish the game, I will look forward to reading the analysis you have in your sig as I know you really liked the series...hopefully you don't change you sig until then!
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:15
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Joy Divison wrote...
Why don't the dozen or so biggest contributors in this thread make a videogame
Currently working on a ten to fifteen hour mod for Skyrim (don't like the game but the engine isn't bad and there's a lot more potential there) with a team of other developers, probably closest I'll get for a while.
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