Gaider confirmed neither Anora or Alistair, regardless of what you do, will have children.
Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age
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#12752
Posté 07 mai 2012 - 03:32
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Eh well, I came to the point where I don't give a damn anymore.
There is one thing left in DA that I care about and that's Morrigan. I am waiting for them to ruin her so I can finally move on.
There is one thing left in DA that I care about and that's Morrigan. I am waiting for them to ruin her so I can finally move on.
#12753
Posté 07 mai 2012 - 05:05
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@ Costin: I never said that Alistair would be the father of the child with Alistair/F!stranger (thus the barest chance) *wink*
@KoP: Nooooo! Don't even hint that Morrigan can be ruined! We squeaked by with a gnat's wing in the comic! (the only good thing about Yavanna: Yavanna != Morrigan)
@KoP: Nooooo! Don't even hint that Morrigan can be ruined! We squeaked by with a gnat's wing in the comic! (the only good thing about Yavanna: Yavanna != Morrigan)
#12754
Posté 08 mai 2012 - 03:28
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Everything considered, I have no reason to expect anything good anymore. It's either she who will be ruined, or Flemeth, or (likely) both.
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Posté 08 mai 2012 - 05:37
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No KoP, you don't understand! Bioware won't be ruining Morrigan or Flemeth, they'll be fixing them! Can't you tell? There was so much wrong with Origins' stories and characters that they need to IMPROVE them for future games![/sarcasm]
So Fereldan is going to face another succession problem anyway? Somehow I'm not surprised. Origins treated the Landsmeet as a short-term solution to what was going on at the time (Blight, civil war and all), not the be-all, end-all to Fereldan's problems.
Forgive me for saying so, but quickly slapping on one or two rulers who are, let's face it, a little under-qualified during normal circumstances (common-born, illegitimate and non-royal) and have fertility problems anyway (suspected barren and Grey Warden) is bound to cause some long-term problems.
So Fereldan is going to face another succession problem anyway? Somehow I'm not surprised. Origins treated the Landsmeet as a short-term solution to what was going on at the time (Blight, civil war and all), not the be-all, end-all to Fereldan's problems.
Forgive me for saying so, but quickly slapping on one or two rulers who are, let's face it, a little under-qualified during normal circumstances (common-born, illegitimate and non-royal) and have fertility problems anyway (suspected barren and Grey Warden) is bound to cause some long-term problems.
#12756
Posté 11 mai 2012 - 10:03
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Costin_Razvan wrote...
Gaider confirmed neither Anora or Alistair, regardless of what you do, will have children.
Where? Why would he do such a vile thing?
#12759
Posté 24 mai 2012 - 06:27
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Bioware making a protagonist as complex as Loghain?! THE WORLD WILL END!
#12761
Posté 25 mai 2012 - 09:20
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Eh well, I came to the point where I don't give a damn anymore.
There is one thing left in DA that I care about and that's Morrigan. I am waiting for them to ruin her so I can finally move on.
She was never that amazing to begin with. *Hides from KOP's fury*
I care about Loghain way more than Morri (Who's a Viconia Lite to begin with) or ANY LI.
#12762
Posté 03 juin 2012 - 04:59
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[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I think Loghain would wear something like this<br />
[hey can i used this image to headline an article on greywardens .com ?? :D its awesome
I think Loghain would wear something like this<br />
[hey can i used this image to headline an article on greywardens .com ?? :D its awesome
#12764
Posté 09 juin 2012 - 01:02
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Pssssssst.........I want to show you something....
Tis...a NEW chapter, oh my!
www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/29/
Enjoy and please review!
Tis...a NEW chapter, oh my!
www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/29/
Enjoy and please review!
#12765
Posté 13 juin 2012 - 03:57
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I think Loghain would wear something like this<br />
I could see Loghain wearing something similar. Shame that the Human Noble can't get an armor set like this, nor can he look like the Noble depicted.
I love the little blurb off to the side, but I think I love the Dwarf Noble one more. No, I know I love the Dwarf Noble one more.
Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 juin 2012 - 04:11 .
#12766
Posté 22 juin 2012 - 12:41
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#12767
Posté 24 juin 2012 - 06:06
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You know who I think Loghain might get along well with? Avernus.
Discuss.
You know who Loghain kinda reminds me of, in terms of mindset and actions? On some level anyway? Sophia Dryden.
Also discuss.
*waits with popcorn and bated breath*
Discuss.
You know who Loghain kinda reminds me of, in terms of mindset and actions? On some level anyway? Sophia Dryden.
Also discuss.
*waits with popcorn and bated breath*
Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 juin 2012 - 06:12 .
#12768
Posté 03 juillet 2012 - 12:00
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You may find the newest update to my Loghain tale here:
www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/31/
Enjoy and please review!
www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/31/
Enjoy and please review!
#12769
Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 10:33
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I have always wondered something about Loghain, and since I didn't read the novels or played to DAII, maybe I missed something about him.
Would it be conceivable that he would have been under subtle magical influence during Ostagar? Such as by a blood magic control?
In the Landsmeet there is an interesting shot from the ceiling when Loghain let go his ire against the nobles and call them cowards. An ominous black bird is perched on a beam straight ahead of Loghain's head and seems to look at the scene. The first time I played through DA:O, I thought : This is Flemeth shapeshifted into a bird, SHE controlled him from the very beginning without him noticing, that's how she knew what would happen to the wardens and how she arranged their fate to make them meet Morrigan. That's why she said about Loghain, with her sarcastic sense of humor and her way to blend truths with lies to make them become indistinct, that "the heart of men holds shadows darker than any tainted creature." : She was speaking of herself, waiting for her revenge against the world, hidden in the dark shadows of Loghain's heart!
And there is Loghain, somewhat confused, who says that Ostagar seems an eternity before, as if it was another life...
Any opinion?
Would it be conceivable that he would have been under subtle magical influence during Ostagar? Such as by a blood magic control?
In the Landsmeet there is an interesting shot from the ceiling when Loghain let go his ire against the nobles and call them cowards. An ominous black bird is perched on a beam straight ahead of Loghain's head and seems to look at the scene. The first time I played through DA:O, I thought : This is Flemeth shapeshifted into a bird, SHE controlled him from the very beginning without him noticing, that's how she knew what would happen to the wardens and how she arranged their fate to make them meet Morrigan. That's why she said about Loghain, with her sarcastic sense of humor and her way to blend truths with lies to make them become indistinct, that "the heart of men holds shadows darker than any tainted creature." : She was speaking of herself, waiting for her revenge against the world, hidden in the dark shadows of Loghain's heart!
And there is Loghain, somewhat confused, who says that Ostagar seems an eternity before, as if it was another life...
Any opinion?
#12770
Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 11:05
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No, he wasn't being controlled. He made those actions of his own volition. David Gaider's made comments in the past regarding Loghain's mindset that signify Loghain was in control of his mind. The only one that manipulated Loghain was Arl Howe, and Howe was no mage.
I do think the bird you see in that scene is a nice bit of symbolism though.
I do think the bird you see in that scene is a nice bit of symbolism though.
Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 juillet 2012 - 11:09 .
#12771
Posté 04 juillet 2012 - 11:34
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Thank you, The Ethereal Writer Redux, I didn't knew that. I only recently began to play with Loghain and the more my warden learn about him, the more it seems to me that his actions were indeed logical (I would have probably thought the same of a blight alert issued by grey wardens coming from Orlais, in his shoes), if a bit extreme... But it would have been a nice link between Flemeth plans and him. And I found this bird shot striking, too...
#12772
Posté 11 juillet 2012 - 09:22
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The muse has been kind to me as of late.
A new, gloriously smutty chapter of "The Edge Of The Grey Enigma" may be read here:
http://www.fanfictio...t/s/6087280/33/
A new, gloriously smutty chapter of "The Edge Of The Grey Enigma" may be read here:
http://www.fanfictio...t/s/6087280/33/
Modifié par Persephone, 11 juillet 2012 - 09:26 .
#12773
Posté 13 juillet 2012 - 04:16
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Loghain is an interesting character in that he is not simply a 'black hat.' He is at once both Ferelden's greatest hero and it's greatest traitor, and his motivations in committing regicide were not just about a naked power grab. The tragedy is he thought he was saving Ferelden from the Orlesians when he was condemning it to descruction by the Blight. If Loghain sacrifices himself to slay the archdemon, that plotline is the most powerful in the game.
All that being said, I struck down Loghain with my 'canon' character. I think sparing Loghain only really works if the player is playing anyone but a Cousland. If the player is a Cousland, the grudge against Loghain is not just political, it is personal. He had a hand in your parents being butchered and your noble family stripped of it's titles and fuedal holdings.
Had circumstances been different my Aedan Cousland may have been inclined to treat Loghain with chivalry, if for no other reason than his past service to Ferelden. But because he had been a player in the murder of Teryn Cousland and his Lady wife, honor demanded Loghain's head.
All that being said, I struck down Loghain with my 'canon' character. I think sparing Loghain only really works if the player is playing anyone but a Cousland. If the player is a Cousland, the grudge against Loghain is not just political, it is personal. He had a hand in your parents being butchered and your noble family stripped of it's titles and fuedal holdings.
Had circumstances been different my Aedan Cousland may have been inclined to treat Loghain with chivalry, if for no other reason than his past service to Ferelden. But because he had been a player in the murder of Teryn Cousland and his Lady wife, honor demanded Loghain's head.
#12774
Posté 13 juillet 2012 - 04:37
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Maybe my Cousland doesn't give a damn about 'honor' and is rational enough to realize that his revenge is irrelevent compared to Ferelden's fate.
#12775
Posté 13 juillet 2012 - 04:44
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Maybe my Cousland doesn't give a damn about 'honor' and is rational enough to realize that his revenge is irrelevent compared to Ferelden's fate.
The nation gains absolutely nothing by you recruiting Loghain. Besides the fact that he had committed treason and regicide, he was also solely responsible for a civil war at a time when the nation could least afford it. Alistair also walks off if you recuit Loghain, so you don't even gain an extra Warden. That would be the only compelling argument for a Cousland recruiting him. Either way you go into the final battle with exactly three people who are capable of killing the archdemon.
With that in mind, sparing Loghain makes absolutely no sense as a Cousland. That is unless you are roleplaying a character that doesn't much care about the murder of his parents. But that seems a bit far-fetched to me, especially with how the Cousland family was portrayed as being fairly tight early in the game.
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