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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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DragonRacer13

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Well, unfortunately I guess it's canon that a surviving Loghain would go to Orlais. I just hope he returns to Fereldan before he dies. I'm sure he'd be allowed to visit his daughter in any case.
I still think the best ending for him is to slay the archdemon. At least that way he can go out in a blaze of glory instead of fading away.


I would generally agree with that... other than the whole "is your soul actually destroyed or do you simply die?" question regarding the whole Archdemon killing thing. Soul obliteration sounds truly terrifying to me... no going to the Fade/returning to the Maker/whatever and reuniting with Maric and Rowan and his wife and his parents, etc. Posted Image I mean, not that the one whose soul is getting obliterated would know, since you suddenly cease to exist. But the thought still freaks me the heck out.

So... yeah... you go sleep with Morrigan now, thankyouverymuch. Posted Image

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Yes, I suppose I'm looking at it from my own viewpoint, since I tend to think that's what happens to us anyway. (I would like to believe there's some sort of nice afterlife, but I honestly don't think there is).

Of course, in Thedas, there are souls and magic and all sorts of supernatural shenanigans but even the spirits of the Fade don't know what happens to the dead (according to Justice anyway) - most of what people there believe is what the Chantry says. Rather like our idea of heaven, I suppose.

And then there's the whole soul obliteration thing - it's really only a theory. The only people who would know for certain are the four wardens who ended the previous blights, and it's not exactly possible to ask them.

Either way, Loghain's there when Riordan explains what happens, and he still wants to do it. Who am I to stand in the way of his redemption?

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CalJones wrote...
Yes, I suppose I'm looking at it from my own viewpoint, since I tend to think that's what happens to us anyway. (I would like to believe there's some sort of nice afterlife, but I honestly don't think there is).

 
Understood. I view differently, but I by no means feel I have the right answers. Nobody does and everyone who has died before can’t exactly come back and tell us what happens, so it’s one final journey, for sure… the destination remains forever a mystery. Comes down to what each of us, as an individual, believes. And what one can cope with. Even with my faith, I’ve had terrifying thoughts lying in bed at night thinking, ‘What if it really just ends? You’re just suddenly gone?’ And I’ve determined that I just can’t go through life dwelling on the ‘what ifs’ because I’ll just lose my mind and be useless to everyone. So, I push forward with my glass half-full and hope for the best, eh?


And then there's the whole soul obliteration thing - it's really only a theory. The only people who would know for certain are the four wardens who ended the previous blights, and it's not exactly possible to ask them.

 
Very good point.

Either way, Loghain's there when Riordan explains what happens, and he still wants to do it. Who am I to stand in the way of his redemption?

 
Also understood. I’ll totally admit that I usually go the DR route for incredibly selfish reasons – I don’t necessarily want to die (but will if necessary), but more importantly, I don’t want to tell anyone else to go off and die in my place (or in this case, let someone willingly go off and die in my place). Being a commander, for all intents and purposes, if I’m given an option to win the war without 100% having to sacrifice one of my men, I’ll take the “Get Out of Jail Free” card. Because I’d much prefer to either do the deed myself and spare them or take the DR and spare us all. It also depends on how much one trusts Morrigan, too, obviously. If you fear she’s being totally selfish and is going to raise demon seed that will haunt the future world, I totally understand telling her to buzz off. However, most of my Wardens end up trusting her over the course of the game and, therefore, trust that what she offers isn’t going to doom humanity or sell your soul to the devil, so to speak.
 
But that’s all entirely personal and subjective. And based on my “canon” Warden simply being tired of death by the end of the game and always having to decide who gets to live and who gets to die in some scenarios. If she can finally choose an option where she doesn’t have to condemn someone to death (yes, still a risk of that happening in battle anyway, but no DR = 100% guarantee someone’s gonna die), she’s taking it, for better or worse.
 
I have a male Cousland I’m RPing right now and he’s going to let Loghain redeem himself in that manner. But that’ll probably be my only Warden to do so, honestly.
 
What would’ve been interesting is a scenario where Riordan doesn’t go all Leeroy Jenkins on the Archdemon and end up getting himself killed. I would’ve LOVED to have seen the fallout/his reaction had he, my Warden, and Alistair/Loghain all survived the Archdemon’s death despite one of us obviously killing it. Hmmm…

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Heh, I'm more likely to do the DR on a male Cousland as having Loghain's father in law chat is just special.

Loghain has yet to survive any of my games as a female character. He really, really doesn't want to sleep with Morrigan and I just don't feel right making him do that. Of course, once Phaonica finishes her mod, I will just have to grit my teeth and persuade him.

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CalJones wrote...

Heh, I'm more likely to do the DR on a male Cousland as having Loghain's father in law chat is just special. 


Ah, yes, that will be my other male Cousland playthrough. The one I'm doing right now has zero desire to be king and has a total bromance with Alistair, so he'll be happily putting a hardened Alistair on the throne with Anora. He's also incredibly merciful, for the most part, so Loghain's getting spared. Aedan doesn't trust Morrigan anymore than Alistair does, so she'll be sent off when she comes a-knocking on battle's eve. Meaning Loghain's going to want to ride the dragon. And Aedan's good with letting him have that redemption... then he'll go wander off with Leliana somewhere when it's all over. That's the plan, anyway... I've got to finish slogging through Orzammar on the last treaty.

But the next go-round with a male Cousland, I definitely want to go the king angle and have a cool frickin' father-in-law. Posted Image

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What would’ve been interesting is a scenario where Riordan doesn’t go all Leeroy Jenkins on the Archdemon and end up getting himself killed. I would’ve LOVED to have seen the fallout/his reaction had he, my Warden, and Alistair/Loghain all survived the Archdemon’s death despite one of us obviously killing it. Hmmm…

Really? Posted Image

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Sarah1281 wrote...


What would’ve been interesting is a scenario where Riordan doesn’t go all Leeroy Jenkins on the Archdemon and end up getting himself killed. I would’ve LOVED to have seen the fallout/his reaction had he, my Warden, and Alistair/Loghain all survived the Archdemon’s death despite one of us obviously killing it. Hmmm…

Really? Posted Image


Oh, my, you are fabulous! Loved it... great title... and...

"Well, what do you want us to say?" Lady Aeducan demanded. "We survived because we used sex magic to make the untainted Archdemon an apostate's baby?"

Best line in the whole thing! Posted Image

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"Why is my thread on Page 2?!?"

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Way too many WH threads are bumping him down.



There's also his daughter to blame.

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LOL. Awesome pic!

Well, I will try to contribute in my own selfish way... finally posted the first chapter of my Tabris/Loghain fanfic... wee!

www.fanfiction.net/s/6314394/1/The_Hand_Were_Dealt

Phaonica seems to think it doesn't totally suck, so I'm excited. Posted Image

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This is perfect. I said a while ago that Loghain very much reminds me of a wolf. Lo and behold, I find this:

http://ca.wrs.yahoo.....png?1242968052

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Isint there a meme generator for making those posters?

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Isint there a meme generator for making those posters?


Only if you consider elbow grease and an imagination to be meme generators. ;)  (And you may notice that I haven't posted anything, so I probably lack both. :()

Modifié par Monica21, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:54 .


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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Isint there a meme generator for making those posters?


Idk, I didn't use it. If I had, I would have spelt "Mac Tir" right,

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DragonRacer13 wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...


What would’ve been interesting is a scenario where Riordan doesn’t go all Leeroy Jenkins on the Archdemon and end up getting himself killed. I would’ve LOVED to have seen the fallout/his reaction had he, my Warden, and Alistair/Loghain all survived the Archdemon’s death despite one of us obviously killing it. Hmmm…

Really? Posted Image


Oh, my, you are fabulous! Loved it... great title... and...

"Well, what do you want us to say?" Lady Aeducan demanded. "We survived because we used sex magic to make the untainted Archdemon an apostate's baby?"

Best line in the whole thing! Posted Image


That was great! For some reason, this line made me laugh:

"Maybe the Maker protected you," Alistair said sarcastically.

I could just see him saying that in that manner :lol:

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DragonRacer13 wrote...

LOL. Awesome pic!

Well, I will try to contribute in my own selfish way... finally posted the first chapter of my Tabris/Loghain fanfic... wee!

www.fanfiction.net/s/6314394/1/The_Hand_Were_Dealt

Phaonica seems to think it doesn't totally suck, so I'm excited. Posted Image


Exquisite. :wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub::wub:

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Mac Tire is gaelic for wolf. The name is likely not a coincidence.



Sarah - awesome stuff.

And Dragon - nice duel scene. I trust you'll be continuing with this one?

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Persephone - ah, thank you kindly, my friend! Posted Image

CalJones - yes, this story is only just beginning... (and honestly, the next three chapters are already written, I just need to tweak them; I'm trying to give myself buffer room so I can hopefully update regularly without being in frantic/rush-rush mode all the time) Posted Image

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CalJones wrote...

Mac Tire is gaelic for wolf. The name is likely not a coincidence.


Ah, didn't know that.
Perfect name for Loghain then. Just like Cailan is the perfect name (it means child).

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Because I heard the killshot music and wondered "where's Loghain?"

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Yeah, he's ridden the AD a few times in my games. People whine about his stats but he's always been pretty effective for me. He's a badass mofo.


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

CalJones wrote...

Mac Tire is gaelic for wolf. The name is likely not a coincidence.


Ah, didn't know that.
Perfect name for Loghain then. Just like Cailan is the perfect name (it means child).

Are you sure it doesent mean "Glorious Child who was dropped on head at birth?"

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CalJones wrote...

Yeah, he's ridden the AD a few times in my games. People whine about his stats but he's always been pretty effective for me. He's a badass mofo.

Same here. His strength isn't enough for massive armor, but I had no trouble with him holding his own.

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He has his own massive armour so no problem. (Plus he gets more strength via approval). More willpower = more special moves.

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CalJones wrote...

He has his own massive armour so no problem. (Plus he gets more strength via approval). More willpower = more special moves.

Yeah, poor wording. I meant the massive dragonbone. Which is "teh best!" but you can still play rather effectively without it.