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[Sarah1281]

It's not like I don't think that Alistair is capable of cracking and maybe trying but why would Anora let him? They're joint ruling and she's the one with all the political power so I just can't see how he could manage it.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:17 .

[DragonRacer13]

Monica21 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
For ze lulz: A "The Stolen Throne - In 15 minutes" version:

lilith-morgana.livejournal.com/302507.html#cutid1

Spot on, funny and utterly BRILLIANT!

OH MY GOD!!! That was freaking hilarious!

DEEP ROADS: We bring the sexytimes like nothing else in the DAO canon!

Brilliant! I love "breadbox editions" of books and movies. Someone did the LotR trilogy once and I about wet my pants laughing so hard.

My favorite part (of many)...

ORLESIANS: *are Evil and Depraved even in their own POV-chapters*
LOGHAIN: See, this is what I keep saying!

Awesomesauce.

Oh, and  angsty, dark, brooding emo-puppy Loghain.

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 14 septembre 2010 - 01:18 .

[Persephone]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
For ze lulz: A "The Stolen Throne - In 15 minutes" version:

lilith-morgana.livejournal.com/302507.html#cutid1

Spot on, funny and utterly BRILLIANT!

OH MY GOD!!! That was freaking hilarious!

DEEP ROADS: We bring the sexytimes like nothing else in the DAO canon!

Brilliant! I love "breadbox editions" of books and movies. Someone did the LotR trilogy once and I about wet my pants laughing so hard.

My favorite part (of many)...

ORLESIANS: *are Evil and Depraved even in their own POV-chapters*
LOGHAIN: See, this is what I keep saying!

Awesomesauce.

Oh, and  angsty, dark, brooding emo-puppy Loghain.

This is my fave part:

MARIC: I NEED A HUG!
ROWAN: I will hug you. I will also assume the role of your loving, forgiving and much-stronger queen. Such is my duty.
MARIC: Sexy.
ROWAN: Not particularly. Sexy just broke up with me.
MARIC: I killed sexy. I NEED A HUG!
ROWAN: This will get old very quickly.

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, if I had any desire to read Stolen Throne before, it's firmly gone now.

[Giggles_Manically]

Its worth it if you like Loghain.

[Sarah1281]

Is there one for The Calling?

[CalJones]

It's not as bad as that 15 min version makes it seem. I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to books of films/games/tv shows etc and wouldn't normally touch them with a bargepole but I did quite enjoy TST. Mostly for Loggy, though. Still, I think it's effectively spoiled, now. Heh.

That other fanfic was a bit creepy, yes. I'm assuming the warden was supposedly another daughter of Loghain's. Interesting.

[CalJones]

Page 2? It must be an Orlesian plot!

[DragonRacer13]

CalJones wrote...

Page 2? It must be an Orlesian plot!

(Aww, smizing pic...  )

Modifié par DragonRacer13, 14 septembre 2010 - 08:55 .

[phaonica]

I know this is only just vaguely Loghain-related, but I was just reading the evil Alistair fic...



One of the main problems I've had with 'hardening' Alistair, is that the dialog choices it affects seem to be less about being a 'mature' king, and more about being more self-indulgent. (He'll demand the crown in order to have the power to execute Loghain, he'll agree to the threesome with Isabella, he'll agree that as king he should not worry so much about his duties as king and do what he wants (ie take a mistress, not worry about an heir)). I realize that he's been put down and put aside his whole life, but he can become a better person by rising to his duty as a king or as a warden in a mature way. It's okay for him to go from "I do not matter" to "I do value myself" but not "Sometimes what I want is more important than what the kingdom needs".

[phaonica]

CalJones wrote...

 

I think I was reading a fic that made me unhappy a few minutes ago... but I'm feeling pretty good now.

[KnightofPhoenix]

A Loghain quote that literally made me lol (never heard it before, saved and loaded just to see his response).

PC: "You cost me Alistair, you know."
Loghain: "Yes well you can thank me for that later"

[KnightofPhoenix]

phaonica wrote...
One of the main problems I've had with 'hardening' Alistair, is that the dialog choices it affects seem to be less about being a 'mature' king, and more about being more self-indulgent. (He'll demand the crown in order to have the power to execute Loghain, he'll agree to the threesome with Isabella, he'll agree that as king he should not worry so much about his duties as king and do what he wants (ie take a mistress, not worry about an heir)). I realize that he's been put down and put aside his whole life, but he can become a better person by rising to his duty as a king or as a warden in a mature way. It's okay for him to go from "I do not matter" to "I do value myself" but not "Sometimes what I want is more important than what the kingdom needs".

To be fair, he makes the effort of studying governance and becomes more involved and willing, which I think is essential for being a good king (not the only important thing of course). He does become more self-centered than he already was (except he has "more spine" to act on that now), but that *can* make him more efficient as king (could also make him worse, seeing how he is not the most rational person around). Even though yes, his threesome thing is meeh, I share Morrigan's opinion on the whole concept.

And Alistair demands the crown to kill Loghain even as unhardened. Stupid thing to do either way.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 14 septembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

A Loghain quote that literally made me lol (never heard it before, saved and loaded just to see his response).

PC: "You cost me Alistair, you know."
Loghain: "Yes well you can thank me for that later"

That has to be the best Zinger I ever heard of in a game.

[KnightofPhoenix]

What's with the Cailan flashbacks in Return to Ostagar (my first time playing it)? Was that supposed to overwhelm us with sadness?

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What's with the Cailan flashbacks in Return to Ostagar (my first time playing it)? Was that supposed to overwhelm us with sadness?

I agee with that.

Duncan flashbacks would have been much better really.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I agee with that.

Duncan flashbacks would have been much better really.

Definately.
He's a man I respect.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I agee with that.

Duncan flashbacks would have been much better really.

Definately.
He's a man I respect.

I just like how NO ONE can fase him.

Armed Guards- meh
Templars- Please
A whole army of Howe's men- Not even a sweat.

Only as a DN do you really suprise him.
A DWARF!
THE PRINCE!
AN EXILE!
OMG YOU KILLED TRIAN!

Thats just one of the reasons I role a DN. Other than that though he is just really cool and I was a lot more hurt seeing him die than Calian.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

CalJones wrote...

Page 2? It must be an Orlesian plot!

You and your smiley Loghains. Better keep it on the DL or people will start to see a 3rd dimension. . .As Shale says, "Perish the thought!"

[Addai]

phaonica wrote...

I know this is only just vaguely Loghain-related, but I was just reading the evil Alistair fic...

One of the main problems I've had with 'hardening' Alistair, is that the dialog choices it affects seem to be less about being a 'mature' king, and more about being more self-indulgent. (He'll demand the crown in order to have the power to execute Loghain, he'll agree to the threesome with Isabella, he'll agree that as king he should not worry so much about his duties as king and do what he wants (ie take a mistress, not worry about an heir)). I realize that he's been put down and put aside his whole life, but he can become a better person by rising to his duty as a king or as a warden in a mature way. It's okay for him to go from "I do not matter" to "I do value myself" but not "Sometimes what I want is more important than what the kingdom needs".

He's also a) easier to persuade to marry Queen Icy Britches, harder to persuade to do the DR, etc.  So he's also hardened in relation to duty and "the greater good" and not only personally.

Of course, you're also presupposing that your idea of what the kingdom needs is the only one and that the only reason he wants to kill Loghain is personal.

[Persephone]

phaonica wrote...

I know this is only just vaguely Loghain-related, but I was just reading the evil Alistair fic...

One of the main problems I've had with 'hardening' Alistair, is that the dialog choices it affects seem to be less about being a 'mature' king, and more about being more self-indulgent. (He'll demand the crown in order to have the power to execute Loghain, he'll agree to the threesome with Isabella, he'll agree that as king he should not worry so much about his duties as king and do what he wants (ie take a mistress, not worry about an heir)). I realize that he's been put down and put aside his whole life, but he can become a better person by rising to his duty as a king or as a warden in a mature way. It's okay for him to go from "I do not matter" to "I do value myself" but not "Sometimes what I want is more important than what the kingdom needs".

I agree. Hardened Alistair confuses taking a stand with being selfish. I can understand him, really. But all the things you mentioned aren't improvements compared to unhardened Alistair, on the contrary. I

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What's with the Cailan flashbacks in Return to Ostagar (my first time playing it)? Was that supposed to overwhelm us with sadness?

I wasn't overwhelmed. But I did feel sad. Cailam may have been a fool.... but a well meaning, kind fool. He didn't deserve to die like that.

[Costin_Razvan]

The scene was rather well done in my opinion, but at the end of the day I still wanted for my character to ****** on his corpse. Sorta hard for me to feel sympathy for man willing to abandon his wife just to get another ( and I was certain from the moment I opened those letters that he was going to do that ).

The only reason I even took him down for the wolves to have was because of Loghain, if not I would have left him there without a tinge of regret, approval of the others be damned.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 15 septembre 2010 - 12:36 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I found leaving his corpse to be forgotten to be the most satisfactory personally. If there was an option to bury him, I might have done it. But I would not waste my time to conduct a ceremony for him.

[Persephone]

A song that makes me think of Loghain, Maric, Rowan and Cailan in many ways:

Would you mind if I hurt you?
Understand that I need to
Wish that I had other choices
than to harm the one I love

What have you done now!

I know I'd better stop trying
You know that there's no denying
I won't show mercy on you now
I know, should stop believing
I know, there's no retrieving
It's over now, what have you done?

What have you done now!

I , I've been waiting for someone like you
But now you are slipping away ...oh
Why, why does fate make us suffer?
There's a curse between us, between me and you

Would you mind if I killed you?
Would you mind if I tried to?
Cause you have turned into my worst enemy
You carry hate that I  feel
It's over now
What have you done!

I will not fall, won't let it go
We will be free when it ends

I, I've been waiting for someone like you
But now you are slipping away ...oh What have you done now!
Why, why does fate make us suffer
There's a curse between us, between me and you