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[KnightofPhoenix]

Gaider did say they had to cut a lot of things. Wouldn't surprise me if one of them had you being able to convince Alistair of stayin onboard even when sparing Loghain.

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And how is that treason in the least?

The queen is above the jurisdiction of her husband's vassals. Said vassals OWE her respect and loyalty, in most medieval countries they swore oaths to uphold her honor after her coronation. Since Anora committed no crime and Eamon is not her equal (That would be the king and NO ONE else) , Eamon is plotting against an innocent woman. Whose only crime is not having been a royal baby machine yet. I don't know how the chantry views such a callous suggestion. I only know that I despise Eamon for it. As for "Bros Before Hos" , Anora is his wife, a loyal, efficient, respected wife who did all of Cailan's work so he could play king. It drives me mad to see women treated like this.

So, one has to have equal loyalty to king AND his wife?  What if one says to go here, and the other says, go there . . . who do you obey?

Anyway, you may not like it - I don't either - but part of the job of a consort - man or woman - is to help the sovereign get an heir . . for a woman, that means having a baby.  Part of a monarch's job is to ensure a smooth succession, meaning, have a kid.  So, in that light, Anora was not performing her role as consort, and Eamon is within his rights to mention that to Caillan.

Yes, it could equally be Caillan's fault.  But, again, in this kind of society, one looks first at the woman, especially if she is the consort, not the title holder.

1) Yes. As long as she doesn't commit a crime/act against her husband.

2) She isn't even 30 yet. Even Henry VIII ditched Katherine of Aragon when she was 40. Not in her late twenties.

[TJPags]

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Ummm, I'm not so sure that's real.

As I watch that, I see that Alistair and Loghain don't seem to be in the same place . . .the backdrop behind Alistair doesn't look like Ostagar, to me.

Also, who's dialogue was being chosen there?  Alistair's?  Loghain's?  The PC's?  Obviously, I don't speak - or read - whatever language that was.  But why would the wrriten words be in one language, the actual audio in english?

FInally, the last scene, that's not Loghain standing there with Alistair - unless Loghain went blond.

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Ummm, I'm not so sure that's real.

As I watch that, I see that Alistair and Loghain don't seem to be in the same place . . .the backdrop behind Alistair doesn't look like Ostagar, to me.

Also, who's dialogue was being chosen there?  Alistair's?  Loghain's?  The PC's?  Obviously, I don't speak - or read - whatever language that was.  But why would the wrriten words be in one language, the actual audio in english?

FInally, the last scene, that's not Loghain standing there with Alistair - unless Loghain went blond.

I meant the sound files. I know the vid is cut together.

[TJPags]

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And how is that treason in the least?

The queen is above the jurisdiction of her husband's vassals. Said vassals OWE her respect and loyalty, in most medieval countries they swore oaths to uphold her honor after her coronation. Since Anora committed no crime and Eamon is not her equal (That would be the king and NO ONE else) , Eamon is plotting against an innocent woman. Whose only crime is not having been a royal baby machine yet. I don't know how the chantry views such a callous suggestion. I only know that I despise Eamon for it. As for "Bros Before Hos" , Anora is his wife, a loyal, efficient, respected wife who did all of Cailan's work so he could play king. It drives me mad to see women treated like this.

So, one has to have equal loyalty to king AND his wife?  What if one says to go here, and the other says, go there . . . who do you obey?

Anyway, you may not like it - I don't either - but part of the job of a consort - man or woman - is to help the sovereign get an heir . . for a woman, that means having a baby.  Part of a monarch's job is to ensure a smooth succession, meaning, have a kid.  So, in that light, Anora was not performing her role as consort, and Eamon is within his rights to mention that to Caillan.

Yes, it could equally be Caillan's fault.  But, again, in this kind of society, one looks first at the woman, especially if she is the consort, not the title holder.

1) Yes. As long as she doesn't commit a crime/act against her husband.

2) She isn't even 30 yet. Even Henry VIII ditched Katherine of Aragon when she was 40. Not in her late twenties.

1)  You said "yes", but didn't answer the question - who do you obey?  One says go west, the other says go east  - where do you go?

2) I have no idea how old she is, so I'll agree she's under 30 . . .by medieval standards, that's well into middle age, you know.  Most women back then got married at about 15, had been pegnant several times by 25.

However, as I said, I don't necesarily agree with it either, but I see nothing wrong with advising the King to put aside the wife who, in 5 years, hasn't given him a child.

[TJPags]

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Ummm, I'm not so sure that's real.

As I watch that, I see that Alistair and Loghain don't seem to be in the same place . . .the backdrop behind Alistair doesn't look like Ostagar, to me.

Also, who's dialogue was being chosen there?  Alistair's?  Loghain's?  The PC's?  Obviously, I don't speak - or read - whatever language that was.  But why would the wrriten words be in one language, the actual audio in english?

FInally, the last scene, that's not Loghain standing there with Alistair - unless Loghain went blond.

I meant the sound files. I know the vid is cut together.

Well, if the vid is cut together, why couldn't the audio be, as well?

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Ummm, I'm not so sure that's real.

As I watch that, I see that Alistair and Loghain don't seem to be in the same place . . .the backdrop behind Alistair doesn't look like Ostagar, to me.

Also, who's dialogue was being chosen there?  Alistair's?  Loghain's?  The PC's?  Obviously, I don't speak - or read - whatever language that was.  But why would the wrriten words be in one language, the actual audio in english?

FInally, the last scene, that's not Loghain standing there with Alistair - unless Loghain went blond.

I meant the sound files. I know the vid is cut together.

Well, if the vid is cut together, why couldn't the audio be, as well?

Because it's dialogue not used anywhere else. I know Loghain's dialogue very well. And Alistair never says those lines anywhere either. Unless I missed A LOT.

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And how is that treason in the least?

The queen is above the jurisdiction of her husband's vassals. Said vassals OWE her respect and loyalty, in most medieval countries they swore oaths to uphold her honor after her coronation. Since Anora committed no crime and Eamon is not her equal (That would be the king and NO ONE else) , Eamon is plotting against an innocent woman. Whose only crime is not having been a royal baby machine yet. I don't know how the chantry views such a callous suggestion. I only know that I despise Eamon for it. As for "Bros Before Hos" , Anora is his wife, a loyal, efficient, respected wife who did all of Cailan's work so he could play king. It drives me mad to see women treated like this.

So, one has to have equal loyalty to king AND his wife?  What if one says to go here, and the other says, go there . . . who do you obey?

Anyway, you may not like it - I don't either - but part of the job of a consort - man or woman - is to help the sovereign get an heir . . for a woman, that means having a baby.  Part of a monarch's job is to ensure a smooth succession, meaning, have a kid.  So, in that light, Anora was not performing her role as consort, and Eamon is within his rights to mention that to Caillan.

Yes, it could equally be Caillan's fault.  But, again, in this kind of society, one looks first at the woman, especially if she is the consort, not the title holder.

1) Yes. As long as she doesn't commit a crime/act against her husband.

2) She isn't even 30 yet. Even Henry VIII ditched Katherine of Aragon when she was 40. Not in her late twenties.

1)  You said "yes", but didn't answer the question - who do you obey?  One says go west, the other says go east  - where do you go?.

If the queen is acting in such a way, the king must be obeyed. But Anora isn't acting against Cailan. At all.

[TJPags]

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And how is that treason in the least?

The queen is above the jurisdiction of her husband's vassals. Said vassals OWE her respect and loyalty, in most medieval countries they swore oaths to uphold her honor after her coronation. Since Anora committed no crime and Eamon is not her equal (That would be the king and NO ONE else) , Eamon is plotting against an innocent woman. Whose only crime is not having been a royal baby machine yet. I don't know how the chantry views such a callous suggestion. I only know that I despise Eamon for it. As for "Bros Before Hos" , Anora is his wife, a loyal, efficient, respected wife who did all of Cailan's work so he could play king. It drives me mad to see women treated like this.

So, one has to have equal loyalty to king AND his wife?  What if one says to go here, and the other says, go there . . . who do you obey?

Anyway, you may not like it - I don't either - but part of the job of a consort - man or woman - is to help the sovereign get an heir . . for a woman, that means having a baby.  Part of a monarch's job is to ensure a smooth succession, meaning, have a kid.  So, in that light, Anora was not performing her role as consort, and Eamon is within his rights to mention that to Caillan.

Yes, it could equally be Caillan's fault.  But, again, in this kind of society, one looks first at the woman, especially if she is the consort, not the title holder.

1) Yes. As long as she doesn't commit a crime/act against her husband.

2) She isn't even 30 yet. Even Henry VIII ditched Katherine of Aragon when she was 40. Not in her late twenties.

1)  You said "yes", but didn't answer the question - who do you obey?  One says go west, the other says go east  - where do you go?.

If the queen is acting in such a way, the king must be obeyed. But Anora isn't acting against Cailan. At all.

The queen saying go east need not be going against the king - what if she's sending you for his birthday present?

All I'm saying is, there has to be ONE person who gets your obedience above ALL others.

[Giggles_Manically]

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Ummm, I'm not so sure that's real.

As I watch that, I see that Alistair and Loghain don't seem to be in the same place . . .the backdrop behind Alistair doesn't look like Ostagar, to me.

Also, who's dialogue was being chosen there?  Alistair's?  Loghain's?  The PC's?  Obviously, I don't speak - or read - whatever language that was.  But why would the wrriten words be in one language, the actual audio in english?

FInally, the last scene, that's not Loghain standing there with Alistair - unless Loghain went blond.

I meant the sound files. I know the vid is cut together.

Well, if the vid is cut together, why couldn't the audio be, as well?

Because it's dialogue not used anywhere else. I know Loghain's dialogue very well. And Alistair never says those lines anywhere either. Unless I missed A LOT.

Also no matter how good you cut audio, its obvious where they stiched things toghther.
Especially with video games or films. Tone dosent flow nor does emotion either. 

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And how is that treason in the least?

The queen is above the jurisdiction of her husband's vassals. Said vassals OWE her respect and loyalty, in most medieval countries they swore oaths to uphold her honor after her coronation. Since Anora committed no crime and Eamon is not her equal (That would be the king and NO ONE else) , Eamon is plotting against an innocent woman. Whose only crime is not having been a royal baby machine yet. I don't know how the chantry views such a callous suggestion. I only know that I despise Eamon for it. As for "Bros Before Hos" , Anora is his wife, a loyal, efficient, respected wife who did all of Cailan's work so he could play king. It drives me mad to see women treated like this.

So, one has to have equal loyalty to king AND his wife?  What if one says to go here, and the other says, go there . . . who do you obey?

Anyway, you may not like it - I don't either - but part of the job of a consort - man or woman - is to help the sovereign get an heir . . for a woman, that means having a baby.  Part of a monarch's job is to ensure a smooth succession, meaning, have a kid.  So, in that light, Anora was not performing her role as consort, and Eamon is within his rights to mention that to Caillan.

Yes, it could equally be Caillan's fault.  But, again, in this kind of society, one looks first at the woman, especially if she is the consort, not the title holder.

1) Yes. As long as she doesn't commit a crime/act against her husband.

2) She isn't even 30 yet. Even Henry VIII ditched Katherine of Aragon when she was 40. Not in her late twenties.

1)  You said "yes", but didn't answer the question - who do you obey?  One says go west, the other says go east  - where do you go?.

If the queen is acting in such a way, the king must be obeyed. But Anora isn't acting against Cailan. At all.

The queen saying go east need not be going against the king - what if she's sending you for his birthday present?

All I'm saying is, there has to be ONE person who gets your obedience above ALL others.

You said "If he says "Go east" and she says "Go west"...." We are going in circles here.

[TJPags]

well, pick one so we can stop getting dizzy!! 

Modifié par TJPags, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:14 .

[phaonica]

I went on google and found this on a Russian website:

L: I did not want to see this happen to Cailan, but it seemed necessary at the time. Like many things do, I suppose.
A: No, you see, this isn't something you can explain away. The man you killed, the son of Maric, is right here, in this field of dead.
L: I am aware, Alistair, thank you.
PC: No plea for forgiveness?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
*
PC: That response hardly seems like enough.
L: And what would be enough? What form of penance matters to a dead man?
A: I'm sure we could come up with something entertaining for the rest of us.
*
PC: Pity for him or you?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.
*
PC: Cailan was a fool.
L: I thought so at the time. Inexperienced, rash, naive. But as I have come to know, my supposed wisdom served me no better.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.

It's prefaced with this (translated by Google Translator):

"Dialogue Logeyna and Alistair from the "Return to Ostagar", not included in the final version for obvious reasons."

[Persephone]

phaonica wrote...

I went on google and found this on a Russian website:

L: I did not want to see this happen to Cailan, but it seemed necessary at the time. Like many things do, I suppose.
A: No, you see, this isn't something you can explain away. The man you killed, the son of Maric, is right here, in this field of dead.
L: I am aware, Alistair, thank you.
PC: No plea for forgiveness?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
*
PC: That response hardly seems like enough.
L: And what would be enough? What form of penance matters to a dead man?
A: I'm sure we could come up with something entertaining for the rest of us.
*
PC: Pity for him or you?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.
*
PC: Cailan was a fool.
L: I thought so at the time. Inexperienced, rash, naive. But as I have come to know, my supposed wisdom served me no better.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.

It's prefaced with this (translated by Google Translator):

"Dialogue Logeyna and Alistair from the "Return to Ostagar", not included in the final version for obvious reasons."

WOW, damn. That's one of the best conversations ever. And very revealing, by Loghain standards.

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

I went on google and found this on a Russian website:

L: I did not want to see this happen to Cailan, but it seemed necessary at the time. Like many things do, I suppose.
A: No, you see, this isn't something you can explain away. The man you killed, the son of Maric, is right here, in this field of dead.
L: I am aware, Alistair, thank you.
PC: No plea for forgiveness?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
*
PC: That response hardly seems like enough.
L: And what would be enough? What form of penance matters to a dead man?
A: I'm sure we could come up with something entertaining for the rest of us.
*
PC: Pity for him or you?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.
*
PC: Cailan was a fool.
L: I thought so at the time. Inexperienced, rash, naive. But as I have come to know, my supposed wisdom served me no better.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.

It's prefaced with this (translated by Google Translator):

"Dialogue Logeyna and Alistair from the "Return to Ostagar", not included in the final version for obvious reasons."

Well, considering the Fade dream of Loghain's you found, it's likely something that was cut from back when you could get Loghain much earlier.

So, is that the Russian version? I'm wondering if the sound files were cut in the English version but accidentally left in in the foreign versions.

[Persephone]

Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I went on google and found this on a Russian website:

L: I did not want to see this happen to Cailan, but it seemed necessary at the time. Like many things do, I suppose.
A: No, you see, this isn't something you can explain away. The man you killed, the son of Maric, is right here, in this field of dead.
L: I am aware, Alistair, thank you.
PC: No plea for forgiveness?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
*
PC: That response hardly seems like enough.
L: And what would be enough? What form of penance matters to a dead man?
A: I'm sure we could come up with something entertaining for the rest of us.
*
PC: Pity for him or you?
L: I ask for none. I made my choices with the good of Ferelden in mind.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.
*
PC: Cailan was a fool.
L: I thought so at the time. Inexperienced, rash, naive. But as I have come to know, my supposed wisdom served me no better.
A: Good work, that.
L: I regret many things, but dwelling on what could have been serves no one, least of all Cailan. I will make peace in my own time.

It's prefaced with this (translated by Google Translator):

"Dialogue Logeyna and Alistair from the "Return to Ostagar", not included in the final version for obvious reasons."

Well, considering the Fade dream of Loghain's you found, it's likely something that was cut from back when you could get Loghain much earlier.

So, is that the Russian version? I'm wondering if the sound files were cut in the English version but accidentally left in in the foreign versions.

Good point. Phanoica, I downloaded the vids. Would it help your Loghain expansion if I sent them along? 

[TJPags]

Fade dream with Loghain?



I thought you couldn't do the Landsmeet until you'd done all main quests, including the Tower???

[phaonica]

I was just looking through the sound files packaged with RtO (to the best of my ability). I haven't found them tucked away anywhere yet, but I'm looking through the non-english folders to see what I can find.

[Addai]

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Interesting.  I wonder if that was meant to be a cutscene in RtO, i.e. either Loghain or Alistair were not actually in the party but showed up there or something.

[Persephone]

TJPags wrote...

Fade dream with Loghain?

I thought you couldn't do the Landsmeet until you'd done all main quests, including the Tower???

Originally the Landsmeet should have triggered much sooner until they axed the idea of getting Loghain sooner. (Dunno why) But some files (Like the dream and some dialogue) remained in the toolset.

[phaonica]

TJPags wrote...

Fade dream with Loghain?

I thought you couldn't do the Landsmeet until you'd done all main quests, including the Tower???

At some point it was planned and cut that the Landsmeet would trigger after the sacred ashes quest. If the Landsmeet had triggered that early, you would have been able to take Loghain to the circle tower.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Before I say anything else:

I found this on YOUTUBE, is this for REAL? An unused Alistair/Loghain conversation?

www.youtube.com/watch

Interesting.  I wonder if that was meant to be a cutscene in RtO, i.e. either Loghain or Alistair were not actually in the party but showed up there or something.

Possibly. The cutscene was either put together by the Youtube poster or it's a rough placeholder. The sound files are very interesting, however.

[TJPags]

Ahhh, interesting . . .

[Monica21]

edit: Ninja'd by seven people. 

Modifié par Monica21, 17 septembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[phaonica]

I can't find where those sound files or the dialog might have come from. I didn't find them packaged in the non-english sound folders, and I don't see any of the dialog in the talk tables, either.