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[Water Dumple]

The problem with this variety of troll is that we already know exactly what their opinions are, and that they're quite present in many threads. However, whenever the subject is even peripherally mentioned (sometimes not at all), the trolls show up again crying about the exact same thing. We've heard it before. We comprehend and understand their insightful, elaborate standpoint: They don't like Tali. We get it. And we don't need to be reminded of it every several minutes, as if we can't remember or are supposed to start caring if it's repeated enough. Trolling by definition is an attempt at inciting flames, and I don't see many reasons to repeat the same contested point of view continuously--Other than to incite flames. They may not want to admit it, but they pretty much fit the definition of group-based trolls.

In another thread referring to Jack and only Jack, I listed several reasons on why my Paragon character wouldn't want to recruit her. Somebody still managed to drag Tali into the conversation, complaining that I shouldn't recruit Tali for the same reasons (and they didn't even make sense). In another thread about general character popularity, I noted that the four leading characters by vote appeared to be Legion, Garrus, Tali, and Mordin. Not mentioning Miranda was apparently an atrocity to someone. The reason? Because I listed Tali. I've got no idea what the hell happened to the character's image and how it came to this point, but it's genuinely bizarre. Other favorites like Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, and Thane don't have this sort of opposition.

The TC asked why Tali died; the question is relatively easy to answer becasue of Ecael's guide and doesn't need any extra flak. If you read an interrogative thread and the question is unresolved, provide an answer. If it has already been answered, contribute to any ongoing discussion with something insightful or leave. Trolls stimulate forum activity, yes, but in the wrong way.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 16 août 2010 - 07:20 .

[DarthCaine]

What I don't understand is, what trolls are you talking about? He only said he hated Tali. Having a different opinion isn't trolling. It's ok to hate Jacob, but not Tali? People bash Jacob all the time, but the moment someone says anything negative about Tali people call him a troll.

I don't hate Tali (though I don't like her either), but I do hate the Tali cultists 'cos they're hypocrites and get mad and make false accusations if someone disagrees with them

Modifié par DarthCaine, 16 août 2010 - 07:27 .

[Water Dumple]

DarthCaine wrote...

What I don't understand is, what trolls are you talking about? He only said he hated Tali. Having a different opinion isn't trolling. It's ok to hate Jacob, but not Tali? I don't hate Tali, but I do hate the Tali cultists 'cos they're fraking hypocrites

Having a different opinion isn't trolling, of course; but "stating an opinion" is just the common name they like to use to cover up their simple attempts at inciting flames. They've yet to prove that they get much else out of repeating their tired old opinions in thread after thread. Perhaps it's just a matter of what threads I have/haven't read, but I see Tali show up all the time even when the thread has absolutely no relation to the character. Other characters are similarly unpopular such as Jacob, as you mentioned; but I don't see Jacob popping up everywhere with people complaining about his very existence. If trolls were doing it to him too, I would certainly have a thing or two to say about that as well.

Perhaps it's more common than I think, and it's just a matter of what threads one has or hasn't read. It's just that based on what I've seen, Tali seems to be the lone exception and not Jacob (although he's certainly close behind).

Bringing this up could incite them to go after me, so I'll just step out quietly now...

Modifié par Water Dumple, 16 août 2010 - 07:37 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I've played the "suicide" mission three times, and with all the Normandy upgrades and the whole squad loyal, I have yet to have a single death.

I choose Kasumi as the techie for the ventilation shaft, Samara as the biotic to hold the shield, Jacob to lead the rescued crew back to the pickup, Garrus to lead the other team both stages, and Grunt and Thane to go with me both stages.


(Making sure everyone knows how much you hate a certain character whenever that character comes up certainly seems like a waste of one's time.)

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 16 août 2010 - 08:03 .

[Shadow_broker]

Water Dumple wrote...

The problem with this variety of troll is that we already know exactly what their opinions are, and that they're quite present in many threads. However, whenever the subject is even peripherally mentioned (sometimes not at all), the trolls show up again crying about the exact same thing. We've heard it before. We comprehend and understand their insightful, elaborate standpoint: They don't like Tali. We get it. And we don't need to be reminded of it every several minutes, as if we can't remember or are supposed to start caring if it's repeated enough. Trolling by definition is an attempt at inciting flames, and I don't see many reasons to repeat the same contested point of view continuously--Other than to incite flames. They may not want to admit it, but they pretty much fit the definition of group-based trolls.

In another thread referring to Jack and only Jack, I listed several reasons on why my Paragon character wouldn't want to recruit her. Somebody still managed to drag Tali into the conversation, complaining that I shouldn't recruit Tali for the same reasons (and they didn't even make sense). In another thread about general character popularity, I noted that the four leading characters by vote appeared to be Legion, Garrus, Tali, and Mordin. Not mentioning Miranda was apparently an atrocity to someone. The reason? Because I listed Tali. I've got no idea what the hell happened to the character's image and how it came to this point, but it's genuinely bizarre. Other favorites like Garrus, Legion, Mordin, Wrex, and Thane don't have this sort of opposition.

The TC asked why Tali died; the question is relatively easy to answer becasue of Ecael's guide and doesn't need any extra flak. If you read an interrogative thread and the question is unresolved, provide an answer. If it has already been answered, contribute to any ongoing discussion with something insightful or leave. Trolls stimulate forum activity, yes, but in the wrong way.

Everyone trolls whether they know it or not, Including you dumple

There is also a complete guide on the forum telling you all you need to know on the suicide mission tht most forum members know of, Someone should have just posted that link then /thread

Some people don't like tali and because they state does not always make them a troll just as when some people state that they think tali is a good character or is a preferrable romance does not make them a fanboy

People can state they enjoyed watching tali die without being a troll and voice their opinion that it woul be in the OP's best intrest to leave her dead in his import save,
Granted they didn't say that and were trollin ofcourse

[Shadow_broker]

Water Dumple wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

What I don't understand is, what trolls are you talking about? He only said he hated Tali. Having a different opinion isn't trolling. It's ok to hate Jacob, but not Tali? I don't hate Tali, but I do hate the Tali cultists 'cos they're fraking hypocrites

Having a different opinion isn't trolling, of course; but "stating an opinion" is just the common name they like to use to cover up their simple attempts at inciting flames. They've yet to prove that they get much else out of repeating their tired old opinions in thread after thread. Perhaps it's just a matter of what threads I have/haven't read, but I see Tali show up all the time even when the thread has absolutely no relation to the character. Other characters are similarly unpopular such as Jacob, as you mentioned; but I don't see Jacob popping up everywhere with people complaining about his very existence. If trolls were doing it to him too, I would certainly have a thing or two to say about that as well.

Perhaps it's more common than I think, and it's just a matter of what threads one has or hasn't read. It's just that based on what I've seen, Tali seems to be the lone exception and not Jacob (although he's certainly close behind).

Bringing this up could incite them to go after me, so I'll just step out quietly now...

Every time the priiiize is refrenced jacob is, He is mentioned far more than tali.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Shadow_broker wrote...
Everyone trolls whether they know it or not,

Riiiiiiight...

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 16 août 2010 - 08:18 .

[Shadow_broker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Shadow_broker wrote...
Everyone trolls whether they know it or not,

Riiiiiiight...

You just did it! you sarcastically disagreed with me and therfore promted me to respond angerily defending my opinion! troll

[Killjoy Cutter]

You're bloating the definition of "troll" to the point of meaninglessness.

[Shadow_broker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You're bloating the definition of "troll" to the point of meaninglessness.

Stop trolling

[Renaikan]

MadCat221 wrote...

I see two trolls in this thread. One has already hidden behind "I was only stating my opinion". Since the OPer mentioned Talimance, the most likely reason you two have for mentioning your antipathy towards Tali is... trolling.

Your opinion is like your a-hole. OPer didn't ask about it, so we don't want to hear about it.

Anyhoo... to the OPer, here's my assignments for the suicide mission:

All 12 squaddies recruited, all loyal.

1st fire team leader: Garrus
Techie: Tali (Kasumi or Legion works too I hear)

Rescued Normandy Crew Escort: Mordin

2nd Fire Team Leader: Garrus again (if Tali's your gal, odds are Garrus is your homeboy)

Biotic Shield: Samara or Jack

Face The Baby Reaper: Tali and Miranda (Tali for crowning moment of awesome/heartwarming Saving Dive for Tali, and Miranda just in case her "I Quit" tell-off is a save transfer flag)

Good post.

[Throw_this_away]

DarthCaine wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Post an opinion and be called a troll. Oh internet.

this

[epoch_]

Because she's only freaking 12 years old.


12!

Modifié par epoch_, 16 août 2010 - 10:57 .

[ExtremeOne]

My name is Legion wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Post an opinion and be called a troll. Oh internet.

this

AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LOVED ALL THEIR SQUADMATES?!      

  


I liked them all expect for Tali and Jack 

[FlyinElk212]

Tali died because you touch yourself at night.

[Onyx Jaguar]

This is the only page I have read. But judging by these posts, should I venture into the first one?



Yay or nay?

[Fiannawolf]

First page was about why tali bit the big one. Turns out she died holding the line again. Basic gist anyways.

[Pacifien]

First page had the poster's answer within two posts. Everything since then has been people who like to push buttons, whether on a keyboard or on your nerves.

[KainrycKarr]

It's perfectly fine to dislike a character. But it's kinda obvious to tell when someone is simply using that "opinion" to troll, or just making a comment. It's pretty easy to tell who's trollin just by a quick glance at their post history.



Also, Tali died because you're a baddie.

[General Zombie444]

Because god hate quarians?

[KainrycKarr]

General Zombie444 wrote...

Because god hate quarians?

There is no god. Only Greybox.

[General Zombie444]

Haha.



Well now i Know!

[Nightwriter]

DarthCaine wrote...

What I don't understand is, what trolls are you talking about? He only said he hated Tali. Having a different opinion isn't trolling. It's ok to hate Jacob, but not Tali? People bash Jacob all the time, but the moment someone says anything negative about Tali people call him a troll.

I don't hate Tali (though I don't like her either), but I do hate the Tali cultists 'cos they're hypocrites and get mad and make false accusations if someone disagrees with them

And Miranda. Everyone's allowed to hate Miranda.

If only supposed Miranda "trolls" were ambushed on the level Tali trolls were... I would be such a happy fan...