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[UBER GEEKZILLA]

ok i have seen comments from people saying how "they have yet to find someone who thinks ME is better then ME1" and i am here to say hey i like ME2 way more..after seeing the numerous gripes from ME1 purists im here to explain to them that ME2 is indeed superior to the first in everway

gameplay- first off ME1 had pretty mediocer combat..targeting was annoying, sniping sucked, and the ally ai was usless.ME2 has much much better targeting, and the game dosent lag when like 5 people are on screen, the allies in ME2 while not without their mistakes dont just shoot at walls in front of them, your allies in ME2 are much more helpful. the game is also balanced with action. the battles in ME2 are much longer(escpasially on insanity) if you think they are too short then you must be playing on casual or normal, they also improved enemy ai. instead of just putting sheilds on nonstop the enemies will work together to attack and flank you..camping in a spot for too long eventually will get you killed.

graphics- ME1 still looks good to this day but ME2 looks much better, we never see those dang graphic hiccups and there arent as many glitches(there are plenty but not as much).

dialouge scenes- ok i hear many people complain about the 2nd one being TOO action packed..first off there is plenty of balance between dialouge scens and action. you will usually have about a 10 minutes dialouge scene followed by about a 20 minutes battle, then after that about more 10 minutes of dialuge..there isnt too much dialouge or too much combat or too little. one big plus is emotion..in the fisrt shepard looked very calm the whole time, in this game he smiles, frowns, cringes, he is much more alive, so much that now people are constantly complaining about the toggle helmet feature..which i think no one complained about in the fisrt scince they always wore helmets. the fact that you can interupt during dialouge scenes is also a plus making the game feel more alive

inventory- ok i know everyone complains about no custumizing weapons n crap..but let me put it this way..in ME1..you are in a battle and want to upgrade weapon with cryo for a bit..you must go through a menu, select the weapon to customize, scroll through all of your inventory, then select cryo..you then use cryo and then want incinerary rounds , so you must do the same thing again...in ME2 you want to switch to cryo..you tap a button BAM your using cryo, now you want to use incinerary, ya tap a button BAM incinierary rounds.and yes the sensation of no new armor is gone..but theres plenty of upgrading, and color patterns you can use, plus thants to bioware we have TONS of new dlc armor.

characters- first off to have a romance in ME1 with ashely..you had to simply say..i love you and your a good soilder..BAM she loves you. in ME2 you have to THINK about what you will say unlike in ME1 where ya pretty much would get romance with all paragon choices..characters in ME2 feel more alive this way..and another thing if you actully think none of the characters in ME2 are interesting your drunk or something..ME2 has lots of uniqe characters..the tormented sycopath, the depressed and dying assassin, the tank born warrior, the geneticly enhanced strong willed woman,ect. plus the GOOD characters from ME1(besides wrex) return

exploring- this one really ticks me off. everyone says how ME2 has linear places to explore and the mako is gone so you dont explore planets..fisrt off in ME1 the planets were boring barren wastelands..in ME2 the worlds while shorter and more linear..are much more interesting..you visit volcanic planets, lush jungles, a bar in an asteriod, the collector ship, a better new normandy, a space prison, the asari planet, a krogan planet, a planet taken over by an ai..tons of cool places and if you miss the mako get the free hammerhead dlc..the hammerhead is faster..it glides.its targeting is better, how can you not enjoy it.

story- last but definatly not least is the story..now i can see why some people wouldnt like the story as much..it is more simple.ME1 was a game about exploration, discovery, adventure, while ME2 is the simple story of..we are under attack build a crew and stop the enemy.
BUT its the characters, the character developmet and their roll in the game that make the story better. ME1 had great characters but its not like they were as developed as other characters in games like KOTOR..in ME1 each character had like 1 new dialuge moment after each main story mission..so about 3 or 4. ME2 you constantly are bonding to the crew..you learn more about joker, cerberus, garrus, and espaccialy tali. plus the new characters are very well done, in ME1 the characters pretty much liked you from the start..but in ME2 your crew will constanlty evolve..where as mordin will think your inferior to his inteligence..he will come to respect you. grunt might think your not a bad leader at first, but he will come to see you as a leader, miranda( my fav character) may seem like a **** at first, but overtime she will open up and reveal that she is a very kind, peacful woman who just wants to be loved. on the other hand tali may become mad at you cuz you told the council of her father..or jack might just plain hate you throught the entire game.
in the end as you bond to your crew the game leads to an epic climax that decides the fate of you and your crew..the suicide misiion definatly had me on the edge of my seat. so in the end while ME2 might have a more simple story, its the characters, their history, and the way their loyalty mission turns out that ultimatly decides your bond with the your crew, and how you feel about them and how they feel about you..this is what makes ME2s story much much better.

[redplague]

gameplay - agree



graphics - agree



dialogue - agree



inventory - agree



characters - agree/disagree - I liked the wider array of different characters in ME2 but I prefered the romances in ME1 as the ones in ME2 felt a bit rushed ?(Hey Thane, do you ever feel guilt about killing people? No Sheperd. OK, by the way Thane, I want you)



exploring - disagree - I liked travelling the wastelands with the Mako more than the ME2 ones, plus the planet scanning was a negative.



story - agree/disagree - I liked the story better in ME1 but ME2 was less linear in terms of where you have to go to get to the end.

[epoch_]

ME2 had no inventory, so ME1 gets the nod from me for that category, but other than that, i agree with what redplague said.

[Barquiel]

gameplay and graphics
I prefer ME2

exploration, inventory
both systems are flawed
too many redundant items vs no inventory system
very little exploration in both games

dialogue
no difference imo

But story and character-wise, I think ME2 is worse than ME1.

[Giggles_Manically]

gameplay and graphics

ME2 is way better, and much more impressive.



Exploration:

None, its all laid out and linear, and planet scanning is a grind, before the new patch.

Inventory:

Dont miss the clunker of ME1, but having no armour choices, and three weapons choices is shallow.



dialouge:

Well done again, interupts are cooler and all, but not that much better than ME1.



Story:

Weak, plot holed up the kazoo, rail roaded, and boring.

ME2 could have done some amazing things, but it felt rushed, shallow, and didnt develop shep in any meaningful way.

[smudboy]

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[yummysoap]

It's hard for me to agree with someone who uses an elipsis as an alternate full stop, but I do, for the most part.

I certainly think that storywise ME2 fell on its ass but was redeemed somewhat by its characterization of your crew and your squad. I think the ME2 team was more interesting than the original by an order of magnitude, and I think that was the purpose of ME2 as a whole - to set up and understand our buddies now so we can focus on a proper plot in ME3. Or at least that's what I tell myself at night through the tears.

Explorationwise the games both sucked. Mass Effect 1's exploration was a joke, and Mass Effect 2 doesn't really have any exploration whatsoever considering every N7 planet is linear and the best you can hope to find is a few credits and a crate of element zero. If I were to make a choice I would say ME1 because at least some of the missions you did on those horrible, horrible worlds had actual dialogue. If ME2 had fashioned a few of its sidequests in the same way the DLC Overlord was then I would have died with happiness.

Modifié par yummysoap, 15 août 2010 - 10:37 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

smudboy wrote...

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[UBER GEEKZILLA]

i dunno.for me i think mass effect 2 is about as flawless as games get.i had no problems with the game whatsoever

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

virmire was indeed a great mision. but the suicide mission is not the only good mission.



the loyalty missions are amazing. i really loved grunt, kasumi,thane, and samaras loyalty missions. but saying the suicide missions the only good one is crap the loyalty missions are awsome

[Soverign 666]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

smudboy wrote...

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I was just thinking on whether I should IB4Smudboy, ... I eventually dropped the idea. Wrong move I guess.

Ontopic:
ME2 is superiour in many ways, thanks for its better graphics and the overhauled gameplay.
Missionwise, ME2 trumps ME1 at the side missions, though I still do think the main missions ME1 has are not inferiour to those ME2 utilizes, which directly links to the most important part for me, the story.

I bought Mass Effect 1 on a whim, spontanous because I felt bored and wanted a new game and saw a couple of titles for 10-20 bucks in my store. Along those was Jade Empire and I heartily monologued on what of those two to pick. I eventually took the, what I expected to be some kind of shooter, and after playing it for like thirty minutes I realized I got my hands on gold! And it got even better!
Mass Effect 2 lacks the virtuosity, the thrill Mass Effect 1's story inherits. It is too straight forward for my taste, but I know it is the middle part of a trilogy, and those rarely feature big answers, just big questions. And those are plenty available. I say ME2 did a great job at making me mad for wanting to play ME3 and it gives a lot great possibilities for the latter to get truly epic. But in the end, the only really thrilling mission was the "Suicide Run", which firstly wasn't a suicide run as it was way too easy to get your Squad through and secondly can't compete for example with Virmire, not dreaming of comparing it with Ilos and the Siege of the Citadel.

You have to remeber mass effect 1 had a huge advantage over mass effect 2, namely it was number one. When you did virmire and ilos and the siege of the citadel you were doing them for the first time and it was a great feeling of because they were very well done, but also because they had no expectation going for them. Now after this ME2 roles around your bar has been raised very much because of what you saw in the first game. Mass effect 2's sucide mission instead of just having to be amazing also has to compete against what you already saw giving it a disadvantage because it has to beat what they already did. Hope that makes sense .

[Khirzask]

*than

[Sailears]

As an overall package, 2 is much more fun (yes I know I am contradicting what I said ~6 months ago ).

However 1 had a much more (dare I say) 'realistic' atmoshpere, plus a stronger, more thrilling and believable plot. The second game lacks in this department - it has gone more towards the realm of science fantasy.

[Freakaz0idx]

I'm sorry but I just can't take you seriously at all if you think ME2's storyline is superior to ME1.

[Elyvern]

Honestly, if we compare character development with another recent Bioware game Dragonage Origins, Mass Effect characters just dwindle into the chasm of mediocrity.



Possibility of friendship and more conversation options after rejecting romantic overtures? Overwhelming Check.

Group interaction? Check.



And still, despite all the flaws, I love my fair share of ME characters. I suppose its the fact that the story carries through 3 games which allows for cameos and reapperances of what is otherwise sketchily drawn characters, but I did find the prevalence of character threads in ME forums and the relatively lack of them in the DAO ones rather puzzling.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

ME2 is superior to ME1 storyline..because the characers and their role in the game strengthen the somewhant basic plot

[smudboy]

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[Nightwriter]

I cannot agree that ME2 was better than ME1 in every way.

[TK Dude]

*Laughs* Sorry, but ME2 is no way better than ME1 when it comes to storyline.

And the characters development, yeah right. Some of the squadmates like Grunt, Thane, Jack doesn't make any sense to the plot.

I understand that some of you like Grunt, Jack or maybe Thane. But you have to understand that they are useless to advance the plot.

I can't help myself but admit that Mordin is the only character who's connected to the plot.

[Seth Burns]

It's all based upon opinions. By fact, techincally ME2 is no doubt better than ME1 in most areas. However, some people prefer others over others, and nobody is right or wrong. Most people here believe that ME2 is better than ME1, but the "haters" are just very vocal. They're small and vocal. The lovers are large but always keep it to themselves.



I love ME2 and ME1, but I like ME2 better.

[Dave of Canada]

I apologize for the jumbled mess but I'm writing this without any clear thoughts after been sleep deprived for almost five days.



Mass Effect 1 introduced us to a new universe that felt conflicted and you were a soldier that had risen up to save the universe. While sort-of cliche, it was a lot better tied together than the mess of Mass Effect 2 where the only areas where the main story has any involvement was the Horizon / Collector Ship / Suicide Mission.



Harbinger and the Collectors weren't anywhere near the awesome of Saren and the Geth in terms of villains, Saren was this one large imposing figure over the entire plot and where you went you were only following in his footsteps. The Collectors on the other hand are just the mindless evil that goes around and kidnaps people, woopie!



[Tali fans will hate me for this] The romances in the first game weren't thrown on you after a certain spot in the character's storyline [Immediately after the loyalty mission] and you could get involve directly with them at the very start after recruiting them. Ashley's interest in you starts on Eden Prime if you compliment / thank her, while the Mass Effect 2 ones have a dialogue that go "I don't know about my feelings about you.. [I love you / I don't know / I hate you.] that immediately complete the romance and don't give any other dialogue with the character. ((That isn't to same the system isn't flawed, ME had a lot of "SURPRISE!" romance moments))



Side-quests in ME2 consisted of going through creative areas to shut down a computer or something, companions had no dialogue and Shepard usually just said "Let's go." at the very end not creating a memorable experience. Mass Effect 1's side quests were repetitive but extremely memorable, Major Kyle / Toombs / Kahoku side quests for example are pretty much seared in my mind while I can name maybe two memorable ones from ME2.



Gameplay wise, I loved ME2.

Storywise? Not so much.

[Apollo Starflare]

Dave of Canada wrote...

[Tali fans will hate me for this] The romances in the first game weren't thrown on you after a certain spot in the character's storyline [Immediately after the loyalty mission] and you could get involve directly with them at the very start after recruiting them. Ashley's interest in you starts on Eden Prime if you compliment / thank her, while the Mass Effect 2 ones have a dialogue that go "I don't know about my feelings about you.. [I love you / I don't know / I hate you.] that immediately complete the romance and don't give any other dialogue with the character. ((That isn't to same the system isn't flawed, ME had a lot of "SURPRISE!" romance moments)).

I actually completely agree with this. I tend to prefer ME2 on the whole, but your point about Ashley's interest in you is well made. Offhand I remember Miranda's romance being a bit less immediate than Tali's though? At least it felt more like a natural progression. I would say the same for Garrus but I think most agree he suffered from a lack of scenes in between missions meaning the initial sparks don't have quite the same impact they could have (this is handled better in DAO with Zevran for example, similar flirting yet continued more consitantly).

[Nightwriter]

Well I really don't think you can criticize one game's romances over the other. ME1's romances were ridiculously forced, and their implementation wasn't that great. Plus you had characters like Liara becoming interested way too quickly. I liked that the ME2 LIs needed to get to know you through their loyalty missions before the romance started, but it felt very formulaic, and many of the LIs were romance-or-nothin' characters.

Exploration always got me. The uncharted worlds of ME1 were dull and tedious and boring to explore.

So in ME2, they solve this by making the world's rich and colorful and graphically amazing... then take away our ability to explore them (the mako) and the sidequests which made the worlds memorable (Tooms, Chairman Burns, Admiral Kahoku)?