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The old Bioware is dead.


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Gandalf-the-Fabulous

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So I finally got a copy of game informer today (yes I know it is a bit late as everyone has read it already) and the first thing I see is this

Game Informer wrote...

After its (Dragon Age: Origins) release in November last year, the game enjoyed strong sales and critical acclaim. In light of these triumphs, one could easily forget that Origins was a considerable risk for Bioware's Edmonton studio. Presented as the spiratual successor to Baldur's Gate, Origins was charged with carrying on the legacy of a PC game released in 1998. In the intervening years, the role-playing genre has grown and evolved in many directions across multiple platforms. How players would react to elements like a silent hero and highly tactical combat was difficult to predict, especially with titles like Mass Effect setting new standards for conversation systems and cinematic presentation.

Any reservations about the design were put to rest with Origins release. Due to Bioware's skilful implementation, gamers accepted and embraced the old school aesthetic in Origins. But nostalgia can only carry a series so far. Where does one draw the line between homage and aging design?


Ok first of all the writer of that article gives Bioware too much credit but secondly did anyone else read from that "shallow action adventure titles like Mass Effect are the future of RPGs"?

[Begin Rant]

Also the article seemed to make out that the only reason Origins did so well is because of nostalgia and it reminded people of Baldur's Gate? I enjoyed Origins but I really diddnt feel that the game was homage to Baldur's Gate, if anything it gave off more of a NWN vibe but even that is a stretch. Origins was good, it was a hell of a lot better than Mass Effect however it wasnt great and it certainly wasnt anywhere near as good as the Baldur's Gate series.

But seriously how is Mass Effect a huge step forward for RPGs? If anything it takes a few steps back and forces you to play someone elses character instead of playing your own, also how is a voiced protagonist a huge step forward? I mean was it impossible to make a game with a voiced protagonist before Mass Effect came along? Was the only reason that games like Baldur's Gate and KOTOR diddnt have a voiced protagonist because it was impossible to do with the technology at the time? NO, it was because by not giving the protagonist a voice it allowed the player to give his own voice to the character and thus have more control over the creation of his character. Hell we had voiced protagonist back in the 90s but that only worked for predefined characters like Guybrush Threepwood.

The Dialgue wheel is a load of **** as well, sure it is good for games where you are playing a pre defined character like Alpha Protocol but it isnt good for games where you should be able to define your characters personality. The dialogue wheel should only be used for displaying different approaches and moods of the same personality instead of trying to display the different approaches of different personalies, if you are going to define your own characters personality you really need to know exactly what your character is going to say and do when you click an option instead of finding out when you click the "sure I will have some cookies" option when speaking to the girl scout your character actually delivers a swift roundhouse kick to the head of the girl scout and steals the cookies.

[End Rant]

But seriously is this the death of the Bioware who made the great Baldur's Gate series? Over the years since the release of Baldur's Gate 2 I have watched as the games Bioware released got worse and worse until they hit rock bottom with Mass Effect, Origins was a step in the right direction and gave me hope that one day Bioware would return to the great company they were but then that hope was shot down with the announcement of Dragon Age 2 and its so called "Improvements". I had foolishly hoped that Dragon Age 2 was going to be a small hiccup and that Bioware would return to trying to make a game as brilliant and immersive as the Baldur's Gate series however now that I have read the game informer article I know that it is now wishful thinking. Bioware no longer cares about making immersive RPGs and instead are focusing on shallow sub-par interactive movies with predefined characters. The old Bioware is dead, I would have added "long live Bioware" to the thread title but that would imply I actually cared about the company which I dont anymore. Bioware has just become just another game developer churning out cheap mediocre titles for maximum profit and no longer cares about the art.

But please tell me if you enjoyed Origins have you actually played the Baldur's Gate series, and if you have please tell me if Origins actually reminded you of Baldur's Gate and whether you felt it was a fitting tribute.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 16 août 2010 - 04:49 .


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Dave of Canada

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I remember hearing this years ago.



And years before that.



And years before that.

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tl;dr and honestly I don't care about your opinion.

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I think you want this thread.

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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

But seriously is this the death of the Bioware who made the great Baldur's Gate series?


Money says no. You, however, are allowed to go on thinking whatever you want. Buy the game or not, nobody here cares; but you may want to put that part where you say Mass Effect was the first RPG to stick you in a pre-determined role a little further down your rant.

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Slidell505 wrote...

and honestly I don't care about your opinion.


The feeling is mutual, however if you dont care why did you feel the need to post?

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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

and honestly I don't care about your opinion.


The feeling is mutual, however if you dont care why did you feel the need to post?


Why did you? Surely you realize this board exists for fans, and not exactly for developers to read and comment--although they do? And that we have the reply option?

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Seriously, take it to that thread I posted. That's all of us who think the same are gathered, weathering the storm of forumites defending Bioware's decision.

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Why dead? Because they don't make games you enjoy any longer? Your opinion doesn't equal the death of a company. They've shifted philosophies, if you're not willing to go with that shift then that's fine, you're certainly not alone on that boat. But dead? No, if anything they're more alive then ever.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 16 août 2010 - 04:57 .


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Great, its everyone's favorite ranting TROLL!!!

Modifié par thesuperdarkone, 16 août 2010 - 05:05 .


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Saibh wrote...
Surely you realize this board exists for fans,

Surely you realise that those of us complaining are also fans, and don't want to see the radical changes happening to this franchise.  You would deny us our voice?

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slikster wrote...

Saibh wrote...
Surely you realize this board exists for fans,

Surely you realise that those of us complaining are also fans, and don't want to see the radical changes happening to this franchise.  You would deny us our voice?


You can keep your voice, I'll just be taking your keyboard.

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Saibh wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

and honestly I don't care about your opinion.


The feeling is mutual, however if you dont care why did you feel the need to post?


Why did you? Surely you realize this board exists for fans, and not exactly for developers to read and comment--although they do? And that we have the reply option?


Mostly to ask this question

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

But please tell me if you enjoyed Origins have you actually played the Baldur's Gate series, and if you have please tell me if Origins actually reminded you of Baldur's Gate and whether you felt it was a fitting tribute.


Bioware seems to think that the biggest selling point for Origins was nostalgia and Mass Effect is better in every way, what I want to know is if the fans share this opinion or whether Bioware has its head up its arse.

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Bioware is dead! Long live Bioware! I'll wait for the game to be released before I deliver my verdict.

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TheMadCat wrote...

Why dead? Because they don't make games you enjoy? Your opinion doesn't equal the death of a company. They've shifted philosophies, if you're not willing to go with that shift then that's fine, you're certainly not alone on that boat. But dead? No, if anything they're more alive then ever.



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Reason Dragon Age not Mass Effect because like pc CRPG. That entire point of game marketed. So stupid article very mad make. Very much glad no published here.

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Hey guys what's going on in this thread? I brought margaritas.

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Anarya wrote...

Hey guys what's going on in this thread? I brought margaritas.


Give me them all. I swear to god, I need them.

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Anarya wrote...

Hey guys what's going on in this thread? I brought margaritas.

Ooh, I'll take one. 

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slikster wrote...

Surely you realise that those of us complaining are also fans, and don't want to see the radical changes happening to this franchise. 


You can complain as much as you want, but it seems unlikely that BW will turn back from the "path" they are taking as a result.

Modifié par Riona45, 16 août 2010 - 05:05 .


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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

and honestly I don't care about your opinion.


The feeling is mutual, however if you dont care why did you feel the need to post?


To socialize. And inform.

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No it's not dead imo, they're just advancing and going in a different direction then Baldurs Gate, because thats what Game Companys do. I wouldn't want to play the same game that's exactly like Baldurs gate with a different name.

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TheMadCat wrote...

Why dead? Because they don't make games you enjoy any longer? Your opinion doesn't equal the death of a company. They've shifted philosophies, if you're not willing to go with that shift then that's fine, you're certainly not alone on that boat. But dead? No, if anything they're more alive then ever.


Yes Bioware is still alive and making money but the point I was trying to make is that they arent the company they were when they made the Baldur's Gate series, the old company died and the new one rose from its ashes. Perhaps I and those that share my point of view are in the minority and the majority of todays gamers prefer shallow action adventure titles, that is what I want to find out from this thread.

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In b4 the lock.

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The "old" Bioware isn't dead.



You're referring to the "young" Bioware, who has since very simply, gotten older. Times change, but RPGs are still RPGs.

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Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Yes Bioware is still alive and making money but the point I was trying to make is that they arent the company they were when they made the Baldur's Gate series, the old company died and the new one rose from its ashes.


The BG series is at least a decade old.  Of course BioWare isn't the same as it was 10-12 years ago.  And of course BioWare isn't going to make games the same way they did 10-12 years ago.