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[Faust1979]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What are people supposed to think when they play Origins and then go into DA2 thinking it's going to be a sequel to that game and are then surprised to see that it's a totally different game that just happens to have the same name?

People have certain expectations for sequels, and sometimes they are set a bit too high. No doubt. But people are not wrong for expecting a sequel to be a sequel. If they do turn it into Dragon Effect, I will no doubt be very upset, but at least I will have seen it coming. But the other people who don't follow up on that kinda stuff, I feel a little bad for them.

it takes place in the same world, follows events from the first game, has the same history, so it is still a sequel

[Merced256]

The same way WoW was a sequel to warcraft 3 amirite? Same game universe, same lore, oh wait..

[thegreateski]

I've seen this opinion before. When Blizzard released an expansion for their online game. World of Warcraft.



Man . . . that company died quicker than . . .



Wait, no. They're still around.

[Tsuga C]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
So, what's it like, wanting BioWare to fail at every turn?

I certainly don't want them to fail as they're the only ones currently on the scene who've made games I'm interested in purchasing and playing.  The fact that their priorities are shifting and taking them into game and storytelling styles with which I'm uncomfortable is the crux of the matter.

I'm hoping for a return to protagonist choice ASAP because I want an experience that most closely resembles a 'pen & paper' (pnp) session.  I've never enjoyed being assigned a character in pnp and, unsurprisingly, have refused to use pre-made characters in the past.  If my PC isn't mine, I'm just not very enthusiastic about playing that character.  I might enjoy the storyline and companions, but my enjoyment of the gaming experience will be significantly diminished.  This is what I hope to avoid in the future with the DA2 expansion packs or DA3. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Firstly, AD&D is gone. Dead. Deceased. Obsolete. Gone. It's simply D&D now.

AD&D was the better system, though.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Merced256 wrote...

Saibh wrote...



You do realize you're in the minority with hating the directions DA2 is going, right? Like, the teeny minority.

Without reading a single thing past this i have say:

"You do realize how incredibly pretentious and arrogant you have to be to make this statement don't you?"

I guess Saibh subscribes to the "new ****" theme they were pusing when marketing DA:O.  IE: the dumbing down for the lowest common denominator and making everything into a glorfied action game is what actually makes a good rpg.

Modifié par CoS Sarah Jinstar, 16 août 2010 - 09:19 .

[Merced256]

thegreateski wrote...

I've seen this opinion before. When Blizzard released an expansion for their online game. World of Warcraft.

Man . . . that company died quicker than . . .

Wait, no. They're still around.

Yea i mean BC or even WotLK turned WoW in to a FPS.

[Solid N7]

MerinTB wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

MerinTB wrote...
Valve and Maxis are "digital gold" and allowed long development times, as compared to what?  You think everything Valve or Maxis did before (Half-Life 2, The Sims) were super-duper money-makers that guaranteed 5 years of development, especially in any way that BioWare is not comprable?

That doesn't matter NOW does it? Everything Vavle does now, people will buy it mainly because of the Half Life Series and the same with the Sims. It doesn't matter what they did before. It matters what they made recently and how successful it is. That's what affords them to be able to take time with what they do. Some people never even played Bioware's earlier games but will by things NOW because of what they have produced recently, not what they created a while ago. So I don't understand what you're getting at.

So.  Missing.  The.  Point.

no, no, I said I was done with this thread.

Long story short - I responded to the "5 year developmen cycles are no the way to make money" and then I pointed at companies with some of the best selling games ever who do exactly that.
Even if they are sequels to existing games from names that are accepted for quality...
how is that different from BioWare?  DA:O was over 5 years, and was BioWare's most successful title to date (amongst a long list of very successful titles) so...

No, no, I'm done.

@MerinTB 

First: DA:O is multi console PC, 360 and ps3.  Mass effect 2 is PC and 360 only.

Second: DA:O sell more in the consoles, so I don´t see this glorious hardcore PC fanbase making difference.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Faust1979 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What are people supposed to think when they play Origins and then go into DA2 thinking it's going to be a sequel to that game and are then surprised to see that it's a totally different game that just happens to have the same name?

People have certain expectations for sequels, and sometimes they are set a bit too high. No doubt. But people are not wrong for expecting a sequel to be a sequel. If they do turn it into Dragon Effect, I will no doubt be very upset, but at least I will have seen it coming. But the other people who don't follow up on that kinda stuff, I feel a little bad for them.

it takes place in the same world, follows events from the first game, has the same history, so it is still a sequel

No, that's called a 'spin-off', actually. Very much like Fallout: New Vegas.

[Brockololly]

Saibh wrote...

You do realize you're in the minority with hating the directions DA2 is going, right? Like, the teeny minority.

Not trying to be dickish, but do you have a poll that proves people love DA2's direction? Didn't think so...

Its goofy to make sweeping generalizations of people loving or hating the changes to DA2 at this point. Largely because all we've read are mostly vague PR laden, marketing buzzword statements trying to hype the game. We have no clue what the changes will actually look like or play like as of yet.

We'll have a much better idea what the actual changes manifest themself in the game, later this week once impressions and video come out from Gamescom. I'm not loving the changes I've heard about and seen thus far, but I'll stay tuned and hope for the best while expecting the worst:wizard:

[KJandrew]

Faust1979 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What are people supposed to think when they play Origins and then go into DA2 thinking it's going to be a sequel to that game and are then surprised to see that it's a totally different game that just happens to have the same name?

People have certain expectations for sequels, and sometimes they are set a bit too high. No doubt. But people are not wrong for expecting a sequel to be a sequel. If they do turn it into Dragon Effect, I will no doubt be very upset, but at least I will have seen it coming. But the other people who don't follow up on that kinda stuff, I feel a little bad for them.

it takes place in the same world, follows events from the first game, has the same history, so it is still a sequel

By that reckoning every historical fiction book in the world is a sequel 

[Saibh]

Brockololly wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You do realize you're in the minority with hating the directions DA2 is going, right? Like, the teeny minority.

Not trying to be dickish, but do you have a poll that proves people love DA2's direction? Didn't think so...

Its goofy to make sweeping generalizations of people loving or hating the changes to DA2 at this point. Largely because all we've read are mostly vague PR laden, marketing buzzword statements trying to hype the game. We have no clue what the changes will actually look like or play like as of yet.

We'll have a much better idea what the actual changes manifest themself in the game, later this week once impressions and video come out from Gamescom. I'm not loving the changes I've heard about and seen thus far, but I'll stay tuned and hope for the best while expecting the worst:wizard:

Dragon Age 2 Will Be ...[*]Amazing! (56%, 1,055 Votes)[*]Don't know yet (26%, 491 Votes)[*]A decent game (8%, 159 Votes)[*]"§$%&! (6%, 109 Votes)[*]Awful (4%, 77 Votes)[/list]
-- greywardens.com

And this one:

http://social.biowar...895/polls/8475/

Modifié par Saibh, 16 août 2010 - 09:28 .

[Merced256]

Not to regurgitate common sense, but not every person who bought DA:O reads these forums, or any fan site. And of all the ones who do read those sites, not all of them actively participate.



teehee

[Bobad]

Merced256 wrote...

Not to regurgitate common sense, but not every person who bought DA:O reads these forums, or any fan site. And of all the ones who do read those sites, not all of them actively participate.

teehee

THIS.  IS.  THE INTERNET!

*Kicks common sense into well*

[Saibh]

Merced256 wrote...

Not to regurgitate common sense, but not every person who bought DA:O reads these forums, or any fan site. And of all the ones who do read those sites, not all of them actively participate.

teehee

Teehee, that doesn't invalidate the polls, tee hee. In fact, I'd point out you're more likely to vote in something or have your opinion heard if you don't like something. With over 1000 votes in each poll, I'd say it's a pretty general consensus of the kind of fans who like visiting forums or fan websites do and do not like.

Regardless, I'd say that's pretty weighty evidence on my side that the haters are the minority. They weren't applied to the "We love DA2! threads", they were given generally, asking everyone.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[Merced256]

blah blah blah.

I'm inclined to say people will vote more optimistically and be excited over a recently announced game. Especially when those polls were taken when there was even less information about the game than there is and has been released even in the last 2 weeks via forum posts.

I'd say thats pretty wieghty evidence thats its irrelevant and will be until the game is released.

Modifié par Merced256, 16 août 2010 - 09:48 .

[Loerwyn]

bcrankshaw wrote...
I don't mind who makes the next NWN ...I was just pointing out there is still scope to develop the AD&D ( sorry !!!) the D&D franchise as you seem to think this is as unlikely as finding the Holy Grail
I agree the audience has changed ,that doesn't mean a game won't be developed for a niche market that will appreciate it

Thank you for telling me what I think. I wasn't quite sure what I thought.

Oh, come on. D&D cRPGs sell to a wider market than the P&P system does. I know for a fact, as does everyone else, that another wave of D&D games is going to come at some point in the near future. They won't be developed primarily for the D&D crowd, though. If all D&D games were like that, then explain Dragonshard. Explain Demon Stone.

The question is who will develop the games. BioWare is 99.9% out of the question, Obsidian are possible but perhaps not likely.

[Saibh]

Merced256 wrote...

blah blah blah.

I'm inclined to say people will vote more optimistically and be excited over a recently announced game. Especially when those polls were taken when there was even less information about the game than there is and has been released even in the last 2 weeks via forum posts.

I'd say thats pretty wieghty evidence thats its irrelevant and will be until the game is released.

First--I'm surprised you'd even imply that the people who like something are more inclined to vote or have their voices heard then the people who don't (unless I'm misunderstanding you...am I? I'm sorry if I am). If you've been around these forums, pretty much every game that BioWare has made has been the doom of the company. The most vocal minority tends to be the angriest. Regardless, my point is that the people who don't like the changes are in the minority of the ones who do/don't care.

Second--you're absolutely right, and I've been saying that repeatedly. If you have reservations, go ahead and have them, but I'm sick of the constant doomcasting without any source behind them. If you like the game, go ahead and like it.

Modifié par Saibh, 16 août 2010 - 10:04 .

[MAD WHITE HAM]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...


No but instead you want to play the same game that is exactly like Mass Effect with a different name?

Woa?!! Gandalf my Man... u got a copy of Dragon Age 2 already?  Where did u get it?  Can I have one too?  I'm dying to play DA2 and since u know everything about it... can u tell us the plot, character development, and whether Morrigan is back?

Oh wait... u haven't played it... Oh wait... You're opinion is WORTHLESS... why?  because it's prejudice.  You've read a handful of articles and NOW U KNOW ALL? Dragon age is Dragon Age... Not Mass Effect.  Just because they put in a Dialog system that is similiar to mass effect, you got your panties stuck in the wind.  I don't know why i read some of these forums... IT JUST PISSES ME OFF... Why?  Because any idiot can have a voice here... i'm so Damn Addicted to Bioware and their games that i have to read these forums to pass the time.  Oh and Mass Effect was ground breaking because it was the first shooter/rpg that was worth something... AND IT ALSO CARRIES OVER DECISIONS INTO THE SEQUEL... just because u got ur ass kicked in Quake when u were 10 years old and it tramatizes you even to this day and everytime u hold a controller that involves you shooting something you have flashbacks to your adolecent years of zits and rejection from girls/boys...  so instead your skill less fingers rely on pausing and clicking Billy Bob to do the killing for you...

Bioware games are great because of character development... BG1 doesn't stand the test of time very well... but Bg2 does... why?  because it focuses more on the characters.  It feels like your character... Same with Mass Effect... My Shepard is my Shepard... Just because u couldn't name him Darth Starkiller (Which we all know is the reason u didn't like the series... that and your short comings with quake) and because you couldn't use your own soprano voice (IN YOUR MIND, MIND YOU)

Now some of you may say that I have no Knowledge of this Gandalf person... Blah blah blah.  Well I've read more comments of his than he has read articles about DA2... thus i have no shame in using his method of spreading his viewpoint... BLATANT BLIND PREDJUDICES.

Bioware, please ignore morons on this forum... with the exception of Darkspawn Chronicles... you're doing a great job.  Anyone who thinks you hit rock bottom with Mass Effect probably thinks Double Dragon was a great movie... thus their opinion is invalid.

[eyesofastorm]

David Gaider wrote...

Well, I don't think anyone's arguing that there isn't some demand for games like that-- there is a hardcore market. It's just not a market that's really large enough to be profitable for today's triple-A games.

I don't know how this makes a lick of sense.  Was DA:O not profitable?  I know it was commercially successful.  If it wasn't profitable, it's because you guys spent 6 years developing it.  The answer then is not to make a more mainstream game, but to pick up the pace a little bit.  The decision to go mainstream hints more at fear (or the blind pursuit of profit) than logic.  You made what you call a "niche" game and it was commercially (not to mention critically) successful.  So was it really a niche game? 

[Haexpane]

This just in, Bioware is still making games.



Ergo - not dead



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[Legbiter]

Given the size of the RPG developer graveyard I'm sometimes amazed that Bioware is even still alive. Quite grateful for it as well.

[Bryy_Miller]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What are people supposed to think when they play Origins and then go into DA2 thinking it's going to be a sequel to that game and are then surprised to see that it's a totally different game that just happens to have the same name?

People have certain expectations for sequels, and sometimes they are set a bit too high. No doubt. But people are not wrong for expecting a sequel to be a sequel. If they do turn it into Dragon Effect, I will no doubt be very upset, but at least I will have seen it coming. But the other people who don't follow up on that kinda stuff, I feel a little bad for them.

it takes place in the same world, follows events from the first game, has the same history, so it is still a sequel

No, that's called a 'spin-off', actually. Very much like Fallout: New Vegas.

Um, last I checked, F:NV was a full game.