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[Kimarous]

Anarya wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Since when is ancient Rome considered the Dark Ages?

And also, what royals do is not typical of society at large.

Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Ah keep the bloodline pure by marrying within the family eh? I hear the Brittish royal family was a big fan of that as well.

Sigh, now I suppose somebody is going to have a go at me for insulting the Brittish royal family as well. Thesuperdarkone have at it.

Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 16 août 2010 - 07:18 .

[SgtElias]

What would come out of that? and what if they both had a son? and if flemeth possessed him? would she become an old god? a supersayian? a pokemon?

Haha, that's a spectacular mental image. Super-saiyan Flemeth. Super-saiyan Janeway.

There are no icons to express how long I laughed on that one.

[SgtElias]

Kimarous wrote...
Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

Yeah, but then you have Caligula. I'm sorry, I meant Zeus. :innocent:

Not that I'm agreeing with the lunatic idea that Bethany should be romancable . . . ! Or that Caligula was in any way whatsoever the norm in roman society . . . !

URGH! This thread corrupts all it touches.

Modifié par SgtElias, 16 août 2010 - 07:20 .

[FiveStarGA]

Kimarous wrote...

Anarya wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Since when is ancient Rome considered the Dark Ages?

And also, what royals do is not typical of society at large.

Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

That was a movie.
 
You're saying the Emperor from that movie, the one who wanted his sister and wounded his biggest rival with I believe a poison dagger before the fight, in order to kill him infront of his belowed fans and appear superior was a decent individual? I haven't seen that in several years, it may not have been a poison coated dagger. 

[biomag]

FiveStarGA wrote...
 I love how the bioware reps are so quick to throw the word "creepy" around despite the fact that they make games with half naked demons floating around. My wife saw a desire demon for the first time and thought it was creepy and perverted. lol

Kind ser, may I suggest something for your entertainment? Tell her about BioWare giving you the chance to romance your sister and compare the reactions.



...and yes, many wealthy and noble families did incest as a precaution to not loose wealth/power because of heritage. Basically the whole marriage thing was about building up and mantaining power. Still I didn't change nature and what the consequences are... or did you never wonder why so many kings looked and acted a little weird?

So thank you Bioware for not adding everyhing into the game what's been part of our history as some things remain creepy, no matter how many people did it before you.

[FiveStarGA]

I meant beloved fans, typo.

[FiveStarGA]

biomag wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...
 I love how the bioware reps are so quick to throw the word "creepy" around despite the fact that they make games with half naked demons floating around. My wife saw a desire demon for the first time and thought it was creepy and perverted. lol

Kind ser, may I suggest something for your entertainment? Tell her about BioWare giving you the chance to romance your sister and compare the reactions.



...and yes, many wealthy and noble families did incest as a precaution to not loose wealth/power because of heritage. Basically the whole marriage thing was about building up and mantaining power. Still I didn't change nature and what the consequences are... or did you never wonder why so many kings looked and acted a little weird?

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So thank you Bioware for not adding everyhing into the game what's been part of our history as some things remain creepy, no matter how many people did it before you.

Did you read the orignal post, it didn't say I wanted a full on incest relationship, it said "why not?" I like to hear everyones' opinion. My wife thinks games like Dragon age and Mass effect are weird without incest

[KLUME777]

Sure, Why not! Everybody loves a bit of Incest once in a while!

[Kimarous]

FiveStarGA wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Anarya wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Since when is ancient Rome considered the Dark Ages?

And also, what royals do is not typical of society at large.

Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

That was a movie.
 
You're saying the Emperor from that movie, the one who wanted his sister and wounded his biggest rival with I believe a poison dagger before the fight, in order to kill him infront of his belowed fans and appear superior was a decent individual? I haven't seen that in several years, it may not have been a poison coated dagger. 

My point was that you SHOULDN'T believe everything you see in television! Try reading actual f***ing history!

Modifié par Kimarous, 16 août 2010 - 07:41 .

[Bryy_Miller]

FiveStarGA wrote...

I know it's taboo but why not have the option for Hawke to romance his sister?

Dude, at least put a little effort into it.

[FiveStarGA]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I know it's taboo but why not have the option for Hawke to romance his sister?

Dude, at least put a little effort into it.

Into what? Into asking "why not?"

[GameBoyish]

Why is this thread still here? Implied incest is fine due to black & gray-ness but full-on is creepy

[Ponce de Leon]

Let's make it LIVE



Aside from that... err... no, no really... no... It would be such a waste of resources, and I couldn't get the hopeless romantic achievement if this romance was included.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I wonder if this debate would even exist of Hawke's mage sibling was male.

Come to think of it, has Bioware made any games where your sibling/BFF-since-childhood party member isn't female? Bethany, Imoen, Dawn Star...and the latter two both needed rescuing at some point, so I'm wondering if Beth will break the damsel in distress combo.

Edit: What edit? >.>

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 16 août 2010 - 08:00 .

[Kimarous]

Illborne wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Anarya wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Since when is ancient Rome considered the Dark Ages?

And also, what royals do is not typical of society at large.

Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

I admit I'm not too familiar with ancient/classic history, but didn't Commodus dress the mentaly challenged as mythological monsters so he could club them to death in the arena?

Okay, "decent individual" might have been a stretch on my part. My point was that his portrayal wasn't entirely accurate.

[FiveStarGA]

Kimarous wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

Kimarous wrote...

Anarya wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I don't know, how about all of ancient Rome? I doubt you can find a Roman family that wasn't subjugated by incest. And the most famous examples were the Emperors and wealthy.

Since when is ancient Rome considered the Dark Ages?

And also, what royals do is not typical of society at large.

Add to that how 90% of negative things associated to specific Romans was slander by various rivals and enemies, not to mention flatout historical inaccuracies. You know that seemingly incestuous emperor from "Gladiator"? Yeah, said emperor was nothing like that. He had a thing for the games, true enough, but other than that he was a rather decent individual.

That was a movie.
 
You're saying the Emperor from that movie, the one who wanted his sister and wounded his biggest rival with I believe a poison dagger before the fight, in order to kill him infront of his belowed fans and appear superior was a decent individual? I haven't seen that in several years, it may not have been a poison coated dagger. 

My point was that you SHOULDN'T believe everything you see in television! Try reading actual f***ing history!

Your statement came out a little confusing.

[Ponce de Leon]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I wonder if this debate would even exist of Hawke's mage sibling was male.

Come to think of it, has Bioware made any games where your sibling/BFF-since-childhood party member isn't female? Bethany, Imoen, Dawn Star...and the latter two both needed rescuing at some point, so I'm wondering if Beth will break the damsel in distress combo.

Fixed a little mistake. I know, they are the same class, same stats (almost at least) and... all that, but I guess fans would still bash you  (no, I am not one *looks around*)

[Bryy_Miller]

FiveStarGA wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

FiveStarGA wrote...

I know it's taboo but why not have the option for Hawke to romance his sister?

Dude, at least put a little effort into it.

Into what? Into asking "why not?"

Literally hundreds of people have come before you asking the same question. They've all brought something new to the table. Some wondered if it was okay if you made your Shepard black, some wondered if Flemeth took over Beth's body. But then you come in with "why not?".

Step up your game, dude.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

dark-lauron wrote...

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I wonder if this debate would even exist of Hawke's mage sibling was male.

Come to think of it, has Bioware made any games where your sibling/BFF-since-childhood party member isn't female? Bethany, Imoen, Dawn Star...and the latter two both needed rescuing at some point, so I'm wondering if Beth will break the damsel in distress combo.

Fixed a little mistake. I know, they are the same class, same stats (almost at least) and... all that, but I guess fans would still bash you  (no, I am not one *looks around*)

Pft! *waves dismissive hand* They were both mage-thieves with ratty hair.

*ducks for cover!*

(thanks btw )

[Anarya]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

Kimarous wrote...
My point was that you SHOULDN'T believe everything you see in television! Try reading actual f***ing history!

Mass orgies were legendary in Rome - so it's no stretch that incest was involved.

I think people should remember that incest is not illegal in every country. It's one of the last taboos to be broken.

Do I want a Bethany/Hawke romance? No, but it's not quite as bad as the moral outrage in this thread. Last I checked murder is illegal, but you kill countless people in these games - and not always in self defense. A bit of the old ultraviolence never hurts though.

Murder = Good
Incest = Bad

Your logic is...interesting.

[slikster]

Just no.

[Kimarous]

Spear-Thrower wrote...

Kimarous wrote...
My point was that you SHOULDN'T believe everything you see in television! Try reading actual f***ing history!

Mass orgies were legendary in Rome - so it's no stretch that incest was involved.

I think people should remember that incest is not illegal in every country. It's one of the last taboos to be broken.

Do I want a Bethany/Hawke romance? No, but it's not quite as bad as the moral outrage in this thread. Last I checked murder is illegal, but you kill countless people in these games - and not always in self defense. A bit of the old ultraviolence never hurts though.

Murder = Good
Incest = Bad

1) Last I checked, most countries do have laws against it. Just because some half-lawless third world slab of land doesn't care about it doesn't neccessarily make it "okay". Also, even countries that do seem more lenient to the idea still draw the line at direct blood relations, particularly between siblings and parents/children.

2) Just because a taboo CAN be broken doesn't mean it SHOULD be broken.

3) Sex and violence are completely seperate, inequatable things. Don't even bother trying to convince us otherwise.

4) Are you seriously trying to defend this?

Modifié par Kimarous, 16 août 2010 - 08:25 .