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[Thandal N'Lyman]

It's not the bringing up the same topic in two places.  It's the telling others what their opinions must/should  be, then saying "Right?", as if you hadn't already made what you believed their opinions ought to be perfeectly clear.

And then having the temerity to argue with them when they disagree with your declaration of their postions.

You are free to think what you like of Varric's appearance.  You are free to say what you think of Varric's appearance.  You are free to ask what others think of Varric's appearance.  What bothers me is your saying what we should think of Varric's appearance.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:30 .

[Wishpig]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

It's not the bringing up the same topic in two places.  It's the telling others what their opinions must/should  be, then saying "Right?", as if you hadn't already made what you believed their opinions ought to be perfeectly clear.

And then having the temerity to argue with them when they disagree with your declaration of their postions.

You are free to think what you like of Varric's appearance.  You are free to say what you think of Varric's appearance.  You are free to ask what others think of Varric's appearance.  What bothers me is your saying what we should think of Varric's appearance.

What am I saying you should think excatly? Am I saying that looks shouldn't matter? Ya I guess I am saying that. I do think people should look beyond, well, looks.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:34 .

[Thandal N'Lyman]

But what you said was, essentially, "All the fangirls  will be uspset because THEY  think looks matter."  Implying, among other things, that the fans, (girl and otherwise) will NOT find Varric's in-game appearance attractive, but that's yet another projection of your opinion onto others.

Sounds to me like you're now saying, "Looks shouldn't matter, but they do."  Which is a valid POV, but a completely different one from what you've been expressing.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[Calla S]

Precisely. It's like your entire standpoint is waiting for the self-fulfilling prophecy to set in. Like one moment we'll just realize, "Oh God, I've been shallow as a puddle all this time! I might as well just embrace the inevitable!"

Modifié par Calla S, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[Wishpig]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

But what you said was, essentially, "All the fangirls  will be uspset because THEY  think looks matter." 

Sounds to me like you're now saying, "Looks shouldn't matter, but they do."  Which is a valid POV, but a completely different one from what you've been expressing.

Actually I said, and I quote

"Of course every companion is going to have some female fans. You know
very well thats not what I mean... or you should. I'm talking about
FANGIRLS, the kind that like alistair because of his looks, voice, ect.
The kind of fangirls who wouldn't like him if he looked like Oghren. And
you know they exist in large numbers.

PS- Don't get offended by
me focusing on girls, guys are even worse than girls when it comes to
judgeing female characters based off looks."

I guess I'm using the term fangirl to freely though. I'm not refering to female gamers when I say that. Just those crazy girls who think Alistair is so hawt and obsess over him.

Calla S wrote...

Precisely. It's like your entire
standpoint is waiting for the self-fulfilling prophecy to set in. Like
one moment we'll just realize, "Oh God, I've been shallow as a puddle all this time! I might as well just embrace the inevitable!"

Lol what?

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:45 .

[Bruddajakka]

Or they may end up liking the character regardless of how he ends up looking in the game because it's an interesting character. Just like how some people don't like Zevran because of his personality despite how he looks.

[Wishpig]

Bruddajakka wrote...

Or they may end up liking the character regardless of how he ends up looking in the game because it's an interesting character. Just like how some people don't like Zevran because of his personality despite how he looks.

Sadly far to many people wouldn't be that open.

You put a fat unnatractive girl in a game, you can bet the majority of guys won't be saying how awesome and deep her character is.

Like I said, girls are more open then guys when it comes to that. But as others have said, if Varric turns out to be ugly, you can bet his popularity will fall with the ladies.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Calla S]

Bruddajakka wrote...
Or they may end up liking the character regardless of how he ends up looking in the game because it's an interesting character. Just like how some people don't like Zevran because of his personality despite how he looks.

Wishpig wrote...
Lol what?

Should I speak in smaller words? That's as far as I can go. I don't actually speak troll.

Modifié par Calla S, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:48 .

[Wishpig]

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Lol what?

Should I speak in smaller words? That's as far as I can go. I don't actually speak troll.

You are a mean one Mrs. Grinch aren't you. I didn't post with the intention of trolling and I'm trying to explain myself... so you can call me names if you wish... but I ain't really a troll.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:51 .

[Calla S]

Wishpig wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Lol what?

Should I speak in smaller words? That's as far as I can go. I don't actually speak troll.

You are a mean one Mrs. Grinch aren't you.

Just don't expect my cold, shriveled heart to grow three sizes anytime soon.

[Nyaore]

Can't we all just get along...?

[Wishpig]

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Lol what?

Should I speak in smaller words? That's as far as I can go. I don't actually speak troll.

You are a mean one Mrs. Grinch aren't you.

Just don't expect my cold, shriveled heart to grow three sizes anytime soon.

Allright. Well, let me say this. My first post was poorly worded and I can see how it would ****** you off. I dislike those who condemn characters soley on apperance and I meant my first post to be a jab towards them and only them (I shouldn't have refered to them as fangirls, thats too general a term). I thought by your first response you were one of those people, but I'm seeing now I was wrong, and I'm honestly sorry.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:56 .

[MarginalBeast]

Ahh, there's the screenshot I was looking for. Yes, IIRC he did look pretty much like that in the video at Comic-Con as well.



Personally I don't find him very attractive, but I didn't even find his concept art terribly attractive, so there's that. But even so, I think he sounds like a really interesting character. I may not romance him but I do want him in my party. I wonder how many recruitable characters there are in the first place.

[Calla S]

Wishpig wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Calla S wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
Lol what?

Should I speak in smaller words? That's as far as I can go. I don't actually speak troll.

You are a mean one Mrs. Grinch aren't you.

Just don't expect my cold, shriveled heart to grow three sizes anytime soon.

Allright. Well, let me say this. My first post was poorly worded and I can see how it would ****** you off. I dislike those who condemn characters soley on apperance and I meant my first post to be a jab towards them and only them. I thought by your first response you were one of those people, but I'm seeing now I was wrong, and I'm honestly sorry.

Is it a sign of a pessimist to wonder if you're saying this to just bait me into apologizing myself? Because that was my first thought.

That said, I do appreciate your mini-retcon, and I do apologize if I came off as a bit more acidic or snappish than I should have been. I really am not one of those people, so being lumped with them was fairly offensive, which is what launched me into action. So, yes, I'm sure both of us could have handled this a bit better than we did. That said, I'm sure Varric (and the lovely denizens of this thread) will forgive us.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

I guess the point we're all trying to make is that while we value everyone's opinion on the topic, (and really, REALLY appreciate having a place to express it. Don't LOCK us for a little back-n-forth!)

But we do NOT value being told by one what others' opinion is, or ought to be. So in general, (based on the informal norms established by this social group):

"Here's what I think", is great.
"Here's what you (all) (or 'they') think", is not.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 02:59 .

[mellifera]

*wiggles uncomfortably*



Errrr, enchantment?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Enchantment!

Thanks, Yuki!

(Had to post it quck, then go back to add the emoticon. )

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:04 .

[Wishpig]

MarginalBeast wrote...

Ahh, there's the screenshot I was looking for. Yes, IIRC he did look pretty much like that in the video at Comic-Con as well.

Personally I don't find him very attractive, but I didn't even find his concept art terribly attractive, so there's that. But even so, I think he sounds like a really interesting character. I may not romance him but I do want him in my party. I wonder how many recruitable characters there are in the first place.

Man... why did I have to miss the Ustream. The picture just leaves me wanting more. And let me say reguardless of what his face looks like, the rest of him seems spot on when compared to the concept art.

Modifié par Wishpig, 14 septembre 2010 - 03:06 .

[Jarek_Cousland]

Must it continue bringing back this unsavory topic?



I tire of this, the waggling of its moist little tongue irritates me.





(Sorry this isnt directed at anybody, I just had to put a little Shale Flava in this)

[Bruddajakka]

And hell some woman do find that kind of guy attractive. More then you'd expect.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I leave for a few hours and look what happens. Tsk tsk.

[javierabegazo]

I am highly considering locking this. This forum is for discussion of things DA2 related, but the last few pages, this thread resembles the Tali Love threads that have been consecutively locked by Priestly, for being merely a fan hang out thread.



There is no need whatsoever to post things like "I'm back" or such. You guys should have that kind of back and forth banter restricted to the Varric Group that I assume you guys have set up by now. If the thread doesn't become a discussion on Varric and his character and role in DA2, rather than a hang out thread in a day from now, the thread will get locked.

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

So... Varric...



I do have a question about him actually. We know he's a party member and a rogue. I was wondering whether he is a dual weilder or an archer. He looks like a blade kind of guy to me though, but who knows.

[mellifera]

*doesn't really understand how our discussions haven't been Varric related lately, but okay*



I think he's a DW as well. I can't really picture him as an archer, but you never know.