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yukidama wrote...

*tries not to break things in irritation*

The problem is that not only is Isabela NOT an unattractive woman except by the standards of some bizarro world where everyone has to look like they're from a Victoria's Secret catalogue, but do you not hear what you are saying? That her worth is explicitly connected to her appearance and her sexuality (as in how she chooses to express it) and not her personality, which we know little of except for a single exchange in Origins. That she is only good when you're drunk for a quickie because you're such a cad it doesn't matter what you stick it in. That a love interest is worth their weight in how much they conform to arbitrary socially imposed standards of beauty and her lack of sexuality unless directly related to your character. Her personality, her actions, how she treats Hawke and how she fits in to the world means nothing because she's too ugly and sl*tty for you to romance her. Just... don't romance her. She deserves better anyway.

Woah... Epic rant Yuki... Would you like a bag to breath into?

[dan107]

yukidama wrote...

*tries not to break things in irritation*

The problem is that not only is Isabela NOT an unattractive woman except by the standards of some bizarro world where everyone has to look like they're from a Victoria's Secret catalogue, but do you not hear what you are saying? That her worth is explicitly connected to her appearance and her sexuality (as in how she chooses to express it) and not her personality, which we know little of except for a single exchange in Origins. That she is only good when you're drunk for a quickie because you're such a cad it doesn't matter what you stick it in. That a love interest is worth their weight in how much they conform to arbitrary socially imposed standards of beauty and her lack of sexuality unless directly related to your character. Her personality, her actions, how she treats Hawke and how she fits in to the world means nothing because she's too ugly and sl*tty for you to romance her. Just... don't romance her. She deserves better anyway.

Yes, I daresay that women who are difficult to get are worth more as romantic partners than women who are easy to get. I mean is that really not just common sense?

[Lord_Valandil]

dan107 wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...
Why? Because the writers felt that she could play an important part on this story.
Get over it already.

Lol, why do you have such a problem with my expressing my opinion on this? Yes, you disagree with me. I get it. But if you have nothing further to add other than to tell me to get over it, to go elsewhere, etc. why do you even bother responding?

I don't know.
You're not going anywhere with your complaining either. So, why keep posting negative things about a character that certainly won't change or won't get dropped from the game?

[Sheryl Chee]

Okay, he doesn't like Isabela, other people like Isabela, and the writers enjoy playing around with stereotypically "****ty" characters but this is Varric's thread. Don't make him pull out Bianca.

Modifié par Sheryl Chee, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:25 .

[Dave of Canada]

dan107 wrote...

Yes, I daresay that women who are difficult to get are worth more as romantic partners than women who are easy to get. I mean is that really not just common sense?

Morrigan and Zevran, both considered "easy lovers" but were extremely awesomesauce romances themselves because sex wasn't the core of the romance. If Isabella is the same, I don't see how she's "worth" less.

[Mary Kirby]

If this thread turns into an Isabela discussion, it will get locked for being off-topic.

[Lord_Valandil]

Please. Stop derailing the Varric thread.

[Xewaka]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

You're not going anywhere with your complaining either. So, why keep posting negative things about a character that certainly won't change or won't get dropped from the game?

Because it gives the internet a reason other than porn to exist.

Sheryl Chee wrote...

Okay, he doesn't like Isabela, other
people like Isabela, and the writers enjoy playing around with
stereotypically "****ty" characters but this is Varric's thread. Don't
make him pull out Bianca.

I want to see sheryl wielding bianca peektures.

Modifié par Xewaka, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:27 .

[Calla S]

dan107 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

*tries not to break things in irritation*

The problem is that not only is Isabela NOT an unattractive woman except by the standards of some bizarro world where everyone has to look like they're from a Victoria's Secret catalogue, but do you not hear what you are saying? That her worth is explicitly connected to her appearance and her sexuality (as in how she chooses to express it) and not her personality, which we know little of except for a single exchange in Origins. That she is only good when you're drunk for a quickie because you're such a cad it doesn't matter what you stick it in. That a love interest is worth their weight in how much they conform to arbitrary socially imposed standards of beauty and her lack of sexuality unless directly related to your character. Her personality, her actions, how she treats Hawke and how she fits in to the world means nothing because she's too ugly and sl*tty for you to romance her. Just... don't romance her. She deserves better anyway.

Yes, I daresay that women who are difficult to get are worth more as romantic partners than women who are easy to get. I mean is that really not just common sense?

Boy, you're messing with powers beyond your kin. I suggest you take a step away from the thread. For your own safety.

@Yuki: Very, very well said. Sadly, that'll go in one ear and out the other of most, but it had to be said.

Modifié par Calla S, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:27 .

[mellifera]

No. it is not common sense. Some people value others on who they are, not who they do.

If you can't understand that, it's your problem.


And I apologize for derailing. Back to Varric because I love him so

Modifié par yukidama, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:27 .

[soignee]

yukidama wrote...

*tries not to break things in irritation*

The problem is that not only is Isabela NOT an unattractive woman except by the standards of some bizarro world where everyone has to look like they're from a Victoria's Secret catalogue, but do you not hear what you are saying? That her worth is explicitly connected to her appearance and her sexuality (as in how she chooses to express it) and not her personality, which we know little of except for a single exchange in Origins. That she is only good when you're drunk for a quickie because you're such a cad it doesn't matter what you stick it in. That a love interest is worth their weight in how much they conform to arbitrary socially imposed standards of beauty and her lack of sexuality unless directly related to your character. Her personality, her actions, how she treats Hawke and how she fits in to the world means nothing because she's too ugly and sl*tty for you to romance her. Just... don't romance her. She deserves better anyway.

<3Yukkkkiiiiiiiiiiii! This response, it is brilliant. Have a freshly knitted internets, I made it myself. Seriously you've put my inarticulate rage into coherence. 

Pseudocognition wrote...

We're tragically off topic already so, whatever. I've found the best way to counter crap like that is to just BE that woman who doesn't give a nug's ass what you expect her to be. I get a lot of "calculating ****" even from people I'd consider my friends, and you'll have to take my solemn internet word that it's not because I'm actually mean.

You'll find that even the nicest people don't stop and second guess the source of their attitudes.

I will take you solemn internet word and nestle it on my bosom. <3

Ah, Varricthread. you are awesome.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Also, everybody, dan isn't being a jerk, he's just being honest. So while most of our knee jerk reaction is to claw his eyes out, it's just the internet. You come across people with his outlook IRL a thousand times a day. Be cool, my lovelies.



Dan Savage says it nicely.

[Xewaka]

Mary Kirby wrote...

If this thread turns into an Isabela discussion, it will get locked for being off-topic.

Now come on. You know if you tried to shut down his fan thread he'll show at your place with Bianca humming. He already knows where you live.

Modifié par Xewaka, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:29 .

[dan107]

yukidama wrote...
No. it is not common sense. Some people value others on who they are, not who they do.

Who you do, when, and why is an expression of who you are.

Pseudocognition wrote...

Also, everybody, dan isn't being a jerk, he's just being honest. So while most of our knee jerk reaction is to claw his eyes out, it's just the internet. You come across people with his outlook IRL a thousand times a day. Be cool, my lovelies.

Dan Savage says it nicely.

Thank you! I'm amazed at the vitriol I've gotten for what is really a pretty common opinion. But no, the link that you gave does not represent my position at all. I'm always much more attracted to the high quality hard to get girls for sex or relationships. The Isabelas of the world are merely what you go for when you want something now and don't have anything better going on.
But, alright, I'll stop derailing the thread. Sorry Varric.

Modifié par dan107, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:37 .

[Neesee]

Let's get back to Varric since this thread is about him, his chest hair and Bianca. Ah Bianca, I wish I was you. But then I wouldn't be able to do things to Varric...



I need to watch those GIFs and the trailer again. My day has been made by this.

[tmp7704]

Sheryl Chee wrote...

I knew that would happen the minute people found out who she was. I expect some people to absolutely hate the idea of an unashamedly hedonistic, sexually expressive female.

Can i get a pass if it's just equal-opportunity eye-rolling at "unashamedly hedonistic, sexually expressive" characters of either gender? 

There just isn't much appeal in getting unasked for reports on the temperature of someone's reproductive parts every 15 mins. In games this tends to get worse because often that's all the character ever talks about -- Zevran's banter could get like that and after a while the repetitive nature would come close to outweighting the funny.

I liked Isabela in DAO but that was not in the least because she's fairly low-key about it unless the player brought the matter up themselves. Hope she can remain this way in DA2. And if she can't then at least she doesn't get turned into one trick pony.

[Mary Kirby]

Xewaka wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

If this thread turns into an Isabela discussion, it will get locked for being off-topic.

Now come on. You know if you tried to shut down his fan thread he'll show at your place with Bianca humming. He already knows where you live.

I can't lock threads. I can only banhammer people.  Which is for the best, really. Power corrupts, and moderator powers turn you into Woo.

[dirtsa90]

The more I watch Varric in the trailer the more I like his final(?) design... even thought his eyes is a bit squinty..then again (sun?)light is shining on him and in his face, that could be the reason :^p

[Xewaka]

Mary Kirby wrote...

I can't lock threads. I can only banhammer people.  Which is for the best, really. Power corrupts, and moderator powers turn you into Woo.

Does the Banhammer have an awesome name too?

Bianca might be my new favorite companion. Groinshots for everyone!

dirtsa90 wrote...

The more I watch Varric in the trailer
the more I like his final(?) design... even thought his eyes is a bit
squinty..then again (sun?)light is shining on him and in his face, that
could be the reason :^p

That's a good point. Bright light in the eyes is not that far fetched during an inquisition-style interrogation.

Modifié par Xewaka, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:42 .

[the_one_54321]

yukidama wrote...
The problem is that not only is Isabela NOT an unattractive woman except by the standards of some bizarro world where everyone has to look like they're from a Victoria's Secret catalogue, but do you not hear what you are saying?

This is ad hominem. You're linking the concept of her appearance to his judgment of her sexuality.
If you leave out all argument related to how she approaches sexuality there are still going to be lots of people that find her very unatractive as far as wanting to have her as a love interest in a video game goes. Yes, I'm well aware that I dont need to romance her. Yes, I still find her unattractive by the standards of is-a-female-LI-in-a-video-game. No, I don't actually judge real women by these standards. Yes, I do judge women in video games by these standards.

Please note the satirical comments I made a while back on Varric's chest hair. You should take this as seriously as I take his chest hair.

[tmp7704]

jackkel dragon wrote...

Groin shots should do more damage than headshots.

Well, technically groin shots are headshots, too

[mellifera]

tmp7704 wrote...

jackkel dragon wrote...

Groin shots should do more damage than headshots.

Well, technically groin shots are headshots, too

You're too late, tmp

[Collider]

I have to say...I like Varric's voice.

[Lord_Valandil]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

If this thread turns into an Isabela discussion, it will get locked for being off-topic.

Now come on. You know if you tried to shut down his fan thread he'll show at your place with Bianca humming. He already knows where you live.

I can't lock threads. I can only banhammer people.  Which is for the best, really. Power corrupts, and moderator powers turn you into Woo.

The Woo-hammer?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Mary Kirby wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Mary Kirby wrote...

If this thread turns into an Isabela discussion, it will get locked for being off-topic.

Now come on. You know if you tried to shut down his fan thread he'll show at your place with Bianca humming. He already knows where you live.

I can't lock threads. I can only banhammer people.  Which is for the best, really. Power corrupts, and moderator powers turn you into Woo.

Mary Kirby : "I believe there is still good in you".

Woo Vader : "It is to late for me..."

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 26 octobre 2010 - 11:48 .