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[namedforthemoon]

Wishpig wrote...

Wow, good catch with the smoke stealth thing. I would have never picked up on that if not for the gif and the comment. Very cool!

I don't get all this fuss about his running animation. That's how dwarfs typically run in video games... like they have short stubby legs... cause they do.

I swear, if there was an animation of Varric paging through the daily newspaper you would have a chorus of "so cute!" "awwww" "*drools*".

Yes. Yes we would.

[Calla S]

Wishpig wrote...
I swear, if there was an animation of Varric paging through the daily newspaper you would have a chorus of "so cute!" "awwww" "*drools*".

Well, clearly.

[Wishpig]

Xewaka wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I swear, if there was an animation of Varric paging through the daily newspaper you would have a chorus of "so cute!" "awwww" "*drools*".

Such is the power of the chest hair.

Which brings to question... what is the power of back hair?

[namedforthemoon]

Wishpig wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I swear, if there was an animation of Varric paging through the daily newspaper you would have a chorus of "so cute!" "awwww" "*drools*".

Such is the power of the chest hair.

Which brings to question... what is the power of back hair?

Get down with the sickness, and you'll see.

[Wishpig]

I bet Varric is on par with Austin Powers back there.

[Liyros]

Wishpig wrote...

I bet Varric is on par with Austin Powers back there.

That and matching with his lady slaying exploits. 

Varric is a bundle of too cool and cute, all in one handsome package.

[Wishpig]

Saslic wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I bet Varric is on par with Austin Powers back there.

That and matching with his lady slaying exploits. 

Varric is a bundle of too cool and cute, all in one handsome package.

1st DLC: Varric loses his mojo!

[lv12medic]

Wishpig wrote...

Saslic wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I bet Varric is on par with Austin Powers back there.

That and matching with his lady slaying exploits. 

Varric is a bundle of too cool and cute, all in one handsome package.

1st DLC: Varric loses his mojo!

Maybe that's what's in the mystery tube on his back...

[bsbcaer]

Calla S wrote...

Varric thread, your wish is my command!

Much thanks...but I don't really see what's wrong with his running...looks relatively normal to me (then again, short legs here

[bsbcaer]

Snoteye wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

That said, why not go to the Varric thread and ask Mary? You might get lucky.

If I may interrupt a moment, on the subject of Varric as an "unreliable narrator":

To sum up, is it known whether this decision serves a clear purpose? I am not interested in what any such purpose might be, the game would reveal that eventually, only if it exists or not.

So...if I get your question right, it's a simple yes or no question (is it known whether this decision of an unreliable narrator serves a clear purpose).  Well, the answer is that we just don't know if it serves a clear purpose or not.  What we can do is speculate (until we get our hands on the game) on what purpose V as unreliable narrator would serve. 

[Snoteye]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Oh, are you talking about Varric's personality as an unreliable narrator? Like, why doesn't he tell the story truthfully the first time?

Because, that's not Varric's personality. He embellishes things to make legends. He adds flash, he adds bling. Bling. Bling-bling! He makes or breaks legends... Didn't you read his character profile on the main website?

I am talking about the decision to establish his personality as an unreliable narrator.

The question comes from this thread, about the frequency of exaggerated scenes we'll have to play through. The basic premise is that, to establish Varric as an unreliable narrator, we need exactly one exaggerated scene -- the first one. Any more than that are superfluous. Meanwhile, the assumption is that there will indeed be more than one. I am asking for confirmation that this is not because Varric is one of 1) a jerk, 2) forgetful, and 3) kind of an idiot. In other words, that Varric chooses this style of storytelling with an agenda in mind and not because "that's a cool idea" that ultimately serves no purpose other than to add more of the exaggerated scenes ("it exists to exist").

bsbcaer wrote...

So...if I get your question right, it's a simple yes or no question (is it known whether this decision of an unreliable narrator serves a clear purpose).

Correct.

bsbcaer wrote...

Well, the answer is that we just don't know if it serves a clear purpose or not.

OK.

[Wishpig]

Snoteye wrote...
The question comes from this thread, about the frequency of exaggerated scenes we'll have to play through. The basic premise is that, to establish Varric as an unreliable narrator, we need exactly one exaggerated scene -- the first one. Any more than that are superfluous. Meanwhile, the assumption is that there will indeed be more than one. I am asking for confirmation that this is not because Varric is one of 1) a jerk, 2) forgetful, and 3) kind of an idiot. In other words, that Varric chooses this style of storytelling with an agenda in mind and not because "that's a cool idea" that ultimately serves no purpose other than to add more of the exaggerated scenes ("it exists to exist").

I would say you NEED more then one. Just having him go off track once seems pretty unnatural.

But to your point, we don't really know all that much about Varric yet. But we know enough to make some good educated guesses.

First I will say 2 and 3 prob aren't the case. Varric is no idiot or forgetfull. He can't afford to be in his position nor is there even the slightest indication this is the case.

Chances are he either has an alterior motive, he's being a cocky little jerk, or he's toying around and having a bit of fun. Plus from the sounds of his bio, sounds like he enjoys weaving a good tale. Whatever the case it totally seems within his character. This it doesn't exist JUST because it's cool. It exists cause it fits Varrics character... and is cool.

Modifié par Wishpig, 17 décembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[namedforthemoon]

(Psst, guys... This is totally off-topic, but I gotta share: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim was announced for 11.11.11!)



My guess is that it's more Varric's personality coming through. Like what Wishpig said, it's Varric, being cocky, or maybe he's just getting caught up in his own tale. Which is very possible, you hear about hunters or fishermen embellishing their hunting/fishing tales all the time. The difference is we get to go back and experience both the embellished version, and the truthful version. Why? ...Why not? It's part of the fun of the game to see your own story embellished by a master storyteller. And then get called on his bull****.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I'm drawing something right now that made me think of this.
So, imagine that, but with a Varric plushie.

[Snoteye]

Wishpig wrote...

I would say you NEED more then one. Just having him go off track once seems pretty unnatural.

If he's "going off track" it's because he's not doing it deliberately. If he's not doing it deliberately then there is no reason, from a design perspective, to do it at all. Ergo, it exists to exist. Effectively that means we will be replaying parts of the game for the sake of replaying parts of the game. This strikes me as a less than brilliant idea.

Wishpig wrote...

First I will say 2 and 3 prob aren't the case. Varric is no idiot or forgetfull. He can't afford to be in his position nor is there even the slightest indication this is the case.

I was just making a point with that. I don't think he is an idiot. I think he exaggerates for the sake of exaggerating or because he has an agenda, and I am hoping it is not the former.

Wishpig wrote...

Chances are he either has an alterior motive, he's being a cocky little jerk, or he's toying around and having a bit of fun. Plus from the sounds of his bio, sounds like he enjoys weaving a good tale. Whatever the case it totally seems within his character. This it doesn't exist JUST because it's cool. It exists cause it fits Varrics character... and is cool.

I do not object to his liking to embellish a story or suggesting this should not be in character for him. My concern regards having to replay perhaps several parts of the game for seemingly no other reason than to replay them. If the justification for this game element is "because it's in character" then it is a bad justification for a bad game element.

namedforthemoon wrote...

Why? ...Why not?

Let me counter with, "why?"

namedforthemoon wrote...

It's part of the fun of the game to see your own story embellished by a master storyteller. And then get called on his bull****.

Once. Not four or five times. That's artificial game length.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

*giggles madly*

[namedforthemoon]

Pseudocognition wrote...



*giggles madly*

Nom nom nom!

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

And a corresponding doodle. I'll finish it tomorrow, I'm exhausted XD

That screenshot may have converted me. We shall see.

[Wishpig]

Snoteye wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

I would say you NEED more then one. Just having him go off track once seems pretty unnatural.

If he's "going off track" it's because he's not doing it deliberately. If he's not doing it deliberately then there is no reason, from a design perspective, to do it at all. Ergo, it exists to exist. Effectively that means we will be replaying parts of the game for the sake of replaying parts of the game. This strikes me as a less than brilliant idea.

Wishpig wrote...

First I will say 2 and 3 prob aren't the case. Varric is no idiot or forgetfull. He can't afford to be in his position nor is there even the slightest indication this is the case.

I was just making a point with that. I don't think he is an idiot. I think he exaggerates for the sake of exaggerating or because he has an agenda, and I am hoping it is not the former.

Wishpig wrote...

Chances are he either has an alterior motive, he's being a cocky little jerk, or he's toying around and having a bit of fun. Plus from the sounds of his bio, sounds like he enjoys weaving a good tale. Whatever the case it totally seems within his character. This it doesn't exist JUST because it's cool. It exists cause it fits Varrics character... and is cool.

I do not object to his liking to embellish a story or suggesting this should not be in character for him. My concern regards having to replay perhaps several parts of the game for seemingly no other reason than to replay them. If the justification for this game element is "because it's in character" then it is a bad justification for a bad game element.

namedforthemoon wrote...

Why? ...Why not?

Let me counter with, "why?"

namedforthemoon wrote...

It's part of the fun of the game to see your own story embellished by a master storyteller. And then get called on his bull****.

Once. Not four or five times. That's artificial game length.

You're opinion that you don't like the concept of his character embellishing to embellish is not one I share. I love the idea he's just exaggerating the story cause it's fun to him. I know a ton of people like that and in a videogame it could be a much needed departure from the same stale narrating we always seem to get. Don't get me wrong, it COULD be overused, but it really all depends on how its done. And bad news for you, his bio makes it sounds like he enjoys having his "fun" with stories.

But bottom line, you are looking way way way way to deep into this. It will either feel natural and work or it won't and will feel forced.

What I don't like is how you seem to be taking a negative stance on something that could go in dozens of different directions. Bioware games are driven by their characters. "Because it's in their character" is an extremely valid reason imo.

Pseudocognition wrote...

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And a corresponding doodle. I'll finish it tomorrow, I'm exhausted XD
That screenshot may have converted me. We shall see.

Argh! You're such a fantastic artist. I hate these female hawke fawning over Varric pictures though. There is like one picture of Varric doing something bad*** and sixty of him doing something goofy, in some longing love pose, or doing something romatically funny.

Despite my disdain for people turning this thread into a fangirl cliche', your artwork always astounds! Just so freaking talented.

Modifié par Wishpig, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:55 .

[namedforthemoon]

LOL Pseudo. I love that, too cute.

[Herr Uhl]

Varric knows it's a hard job, but someone's got to do it.

I'm imagining that he says "rise child" momentarily afterwards.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 17 décembre 2010 - 07:54 .

[mellifera]

Pseudocognition wrote...



And a corresponding doodle. I'll finish it tomorrow, I'm exhausted XD
That screenshot may have converted me. We shall see.

Hahaha, I love it!

[Wishpig]

I'm just glad you didn't draw his hand on her head... would have taken it too a level this thread should never go.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Wishpig wrote...

I'm just glad you didn't draw his hand on her head... would have taken it too a level this thread should never go.

I agree. They are very very carefully posed to avoid such confusion. ;_;

[GodWood]

Calla S wrote...

Varric's run is badarse.