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[Dhiro]

I love this pic

[namedforthemoon]

Collider wrote...

Zevran's different, because you don't have to recruit him. From the looks of it, you have to recruit Varric.

Why do you say that? From what I read, after Hawke leaves Lothering and ends up in Kirkwall, it sounded like Varric glossed over the first year and Hawke and Varric just automatically knew each other afterwards. But maybe that particular writer was doing some glossing over, himself.

...So why do you say that?

[Collider]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Collider wrote...

Zevran's different, because you don't have to recruit him. From the looks of it, you have to recruit Varric.

Why do you say that? From what I read, after Hawke leaves Lothering and ends up in Kirkwall, it sounded like Varric glossed over the first year and Hawke and Varric just automatically knew each other afterwards. But maybe that particular writer was doing some glossing over, himself.

...So why do you say that?

Because Varric is telling the story. No Varric = no story. It's also uncommon that the player can refuse to recruit characters that play such pivotal roles in the story. At most you could kick them out at the end of the game.

[Wishpig]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Collider wrote...

The most important characters of the party tend to be romance options.
Carth & Bastila in KOTOR.
Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara in ME1.
Alistair and Morrigan in DA:O.
Jacob & Miranda in ME2.
Isabela in DA2.

They tend to be introduced fairly early in the game.

Was Zevran a big surprise, then, since he showed up a few quests later and tried to kill you, and then he wants to boink your brains out?

No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.

Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.

Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.

Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.

Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Modifié par Wishpig, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:28 .

[namedforthemoon]

Collider wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Collider wrote...

Zevran's different, because you don't have to recruit him. From the looks of it, you have to recruit Varric.

Why do you say that? From what I read, after Hawke leaves Lothering and ends up in Kirkwall, it sounded like Varric glossed over the first year and Hawke and Varric just automatically knew each other afterwards. But maybe that particular writer was doing some glossing over, himself.

...So why do you say that?

Because Varric is telling the story. No Varric = no story. It's also uncommon that the player can refuse to recruit characters that play such pivotal roles in the story. At most you could kick them out at the end of the game.

But why do you think Hawke has to recruit Varric? Maybe it's the other way around. Hawke's mother was originally a noble from Kirkwall, her family lives there. Apparently her family isn't doing so well. Since Varric knows anyone who's anyone, maybe it's Varric that offers to help Hawke, for whatever reason. And as time goes on, Varric decides to stick around because he sees something in Hawke that says, "Hey, this guy/gal is going to be somebody, someday." Sort of like Professor Slugworth seeing potential in particular students, and keeping them as part of a trophy club. If anyone gets that particular Harry Potter reference.

[namedforthemoon]

Wishpig wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Collider wrote...

The most important characters of the party tend to be romance options.
Carth & Bastila in KOTOR.
Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara in ME1.
Alistair and Morrigan in DA:O.
Jacob & Miranda in ME2.
Isabela in DA2.

They tend to be introduced fairly early in the game.

Was Zevran a big surprise, then, since he showed up a few quests later and tried to kill you, and then he wants to boink your brains out?

No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.

Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.

Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.

Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.

Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

[Dave of Canada]

Varric not fitting the usual mold is also one of the many reasons why I'd love him to be a love interest, Garrus was different and he's well loved by the community (Isn't he like the most popular love interest for FemSheps? Stats-wise).



+ Gaider said they would eventually do a Dwarf LI on the old boards, ages past. I can't find the quote but I remember it! NEVAR FORGET.

[Wishpig]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Collider wrote...

The most important characters of the party tend to be romance options.
Carth & Bastila in KOTOR.
Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara in ME1.
Alistair and Morrigan in DA:O.
Jacob & Miranda in ME2.
Isabela in DA2.

They tend to be introduced fairly early in the game.

Was Zevran a big surprise, then, since he showed up a few quests later and tried to kill you, and then he wants to boink your brains out?

No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.

Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.

Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.

Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.

Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

See here's the intresting thing, there was extreme demand for both Garrus and Tali to be romance options after ME1. Fanboys/girls were freaking mad about them. They obviously got their point across, and the most demanded romance options from ME1 became LI's in ME2.

So they are diffrent then Varric in the sense they had been around an entire game and were seemingly added as LI's thanks to popular demand.

Which is why I doubt Varric will be a LI in DA2, but, I would not be surpised if he was an LI in an expansion or sequel... if the story allows of course.

Of course this is assuming the popular notion of his personality, a charming good hearted rogue, holds true in the game... and he doesn't try to kill hawke or sell him/her out.

Modifié par Wishpig, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:41 .

[Collider]

@named: Oh, I see what you're saying. By recruit I meant Varric being in the party, not necessarily Hawke being the one to offer Varric help. Would be interesting if Varric "recruited" Hawke.

Varric not fitting the usual mold is also one of the many reasons why I'd love him to be a love interest, Garrus was different and he's well loved by the community (Isn't he like the most popular love interest for FemSheps? Stats-wise).

Probably, especially because of male players. But among female players only, Kaidan would probably be a contender for Garrus stats wise.

[Dave of Canada]

Wishpig wrote...

See here's the intresting thing, there was extreme demand for both Garrus and Tali to be romance options after ME1. Fanboys/girls were freaking mad about them. They obviously got their point across, and the most demanded romance options from ME1 became LI's in ME2.

And do you suspect everybody who is crazy about Garrus (I won't mention Tali as she isn't as alien in appearence) were the ones that demanded it? 

[namedforthemoon]

Out of curiosity, who wrote the LI's for ME and ME2? It's not the same group of writers for Dragon Age, is it? I tried to find out on the ME wiki, but it doesn't talk about writers. Not that I could find, anyway.

[HolyJellyfish]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Varric not fitting the usual mold is also one of the many reasons why I'd love him to be a love interest, Garrus was different and he's well loved by the community (Isn't he like the most popular love interest for FemSheps? Stats-wise).

+ Gaider said they would eventually do a Dwarf LI on the old boards, ages past. I can't find the quote but I remember it! NEVAR FORGET.

He's definitely a fascinating and hilarious character. I would love to see it.

And even if it may not happen, it might be funny if Varric embellishes his story, suggesting a scene of great romance only to be knocked on the head by Cassandra

[Collider]

filaminstrel wrote...

Collider wrote...

Varric not fitting the usual mold is also one of the many reasons why I'd love him to be a love interest, Garrus was different and he's well loved by the community (Isn't he like the most popular love interest for FemSheps? Stats-wise).

Probably, especially because of male players. But among female players only, Kaidan would probably be a contender for Garrus stats wise.

Huh? Why is that?

Male players tend to like Garrus more than they do Kaidan. Also, polls conducted asking male players about who their favorite love interest for female Shepard is has Garrus and Liara with the highest results.

[Wishpig]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

See here's the intresting thing, there was extreme demand for both Garrus and Tali to be romance options after ME1. Fanboys/girls were freaking mad about them. They obviously got their point across, and the most demanded romance options from ME1 became LI's in ME2.

And do you suspect everybody who is crazy about Garrus (I won't mention Tali as she isn't as alien in appearence) were the ones that demanded it? 

What do you mean? And Tali doesn't look alien? She looks pretty damn alien to me. Of course not as alien as Garrus though.

Modifié par Wishpig, 21 décembre 2010 - 08:49 .

[HighMoon]

Hasn't Kaidan got the largest thread currently present in the Bioware forums?

[Xewaka]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.
Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.
Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.
Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.
Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

Garrus wasn't designed as a LI. He's not one in ME 1. He became one exclusively for fanservice, as he might have been the most beloved companion from the game.

[Collider]

Kaidan's not unpopular among female players.

[HighMoon]

Collider wrote...

Kaidan's not unpopular among female players.

That's putting it mildly.

*jumps on Kaidan and proceeds to make mad love to him*

[Dave of Canada]

Wishpig wrote...

What do you mean? And Tali doesn't look alien? She looks pretty damn alien to me. Of course not as alien as Garrus though.

That's what I meant, Garrus had nothing done to the character that made him less alien. You look at him and physically see everything alien about him with little to no "human" traits, though Tali had her hood designed to look like hair and appears more human-like (though less so than Asari).

A picture of a Turian is more likely to yield gazes in public than that of a Quarian.

[Calla S]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Collider wrote...
Kaidan's not unpopular among female players.

That's putting it mildly.

*jumps on Kaidan and proceeds to make mad love to him*

Yeah, something like this.

MMMMMKAIDAN.

Ahem, I mean... MmmmVarric. 

[namedforthemoon]

Xewaka wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.
Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.
Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.
Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.
Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

Garrus wasn't designed as a LI. He's not one in ME 1. He became one exclusively for fanservice, as he might have been the most beloved companion from the game.

But what I'm saying is that he's really not the kind of normal LI that Bioware would typically have. And since his romance worked so well in ME2 (which again, I haven't played so this is basically heresay from other Garrus references), maybe Bioware is thinking, "Hey this unconventional character worked out really well for being an LI, what if we did this right off the bat with another unconventional character for DA2 and see where it goes?"

But I have no idea how Bioware comes up with their romances or storylines. I really felt like the romance with Carth was added as an afterhought in KOTOR.

[Maria Caliban]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Out of curiosity, who wrote the LI's for ME and ME2? It's not the same group of writers for Dragon Age, is it? I tried to find out on the ME wiki, but it doesn't talk about writers. Not that I could find, anyway.

It's a totally different writing team*. I know the original writer for Liara left after ME 1 and Patrick Weeks did Jack.

*Dragon Age writers > ME writers.

[upsettingshorts]

I suppose the notion that I legitimately can't take the Tali or Garrus romances seriously is probably a minority opinion. Tali struck me as Shepard's little sister and her romance plot comes off as a childish schoolgirl crush on a teacher, something that makes me uncomfortable pursuing. And Garrus is my bro, if I'm ManShep or FemShep - I just don't see it, though at least the romance is appropriately bumbling.

I suppose that's just my Liaramancing shining through though.

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's a totally different writing team*

Lukas wrote Jacob and is also writing Aveline, I believe.  But that's all the overlap I'm aware of.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:05 .